Boredom

[edmaster111]

what do you guys do when bored? any suggestions at all?

where's the ubermensch guys

 

[birdsnestfern]

Saturday Night Live episodes are one distraction



Here is a series that is interesting called Connections:

 

[Black Rose]

My personal opinion is that the uberman has an IQ at 145 and above.

10 million people on Earth have this level of IQ.

Nietzsche would add that:

They bring the world into the way they want it to be.
They shape things to be as they wish.
Because the meaning of the Earth is defined by them.

(This is what he believed, it is not a quote)

 

[dr froyd]

I try to embrace boredom whenever I can. That's when new, interesting ideas come about. I think it's unhealthy that we have an inexhaustible amount of electronic stimuli that can kill boredom

 

[edmaster111]

yea but doing nothing sucks

@Animekitty do you think the people of IQ of 145+ would have similar interests that the ubermensch has

 

[Black Rose]

It is impossible for 10 million people to share the exact same interests.

They would be separated into "categories of interest".

Venn diagram - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[edmaster111]

nothing to optimize

 

[Black Rose]

nothing to optimize

What is it you have already done?

Show us your work.

 

[Cognisant]

do you think the people of IQ of 145+ would have similar interests that the ubermensch has

In my experience smart people tend to be lazy, intelligence is the ability to optimize one's behaviour and more optimal is more efficient, more efficient is (usually) less effort, and being great or influential isn't the same as being happy.

There's a thing about this I read a long time ago, I think it was something like a 19th century British navel officer's guide, part of it stated that an officer should be keenly aware of his crew's activity with a mind to promote the ones are lazy but are somehow able to get away with it. It takes a cunning and charismatic person to convince others to do their work for them, especially in the confines of a ship where men spend months at sea together.

Then again it might have been a joke, I can't remember.

 

[Black Rose]

In my experience smart people tend to be lazy, intelligence is the ability to optimize one's behaviour and more optimal is more efficient, more efficient is (usually) less effort, and being great or influential isn't the same as being happy.

I would say that is true between 120 and 135.

People below 120 either watch tv all day or work all the time.

People at 120 to 135 distract themselves because of boredom so learn stuff that is not too hard.

At 140 you get people like Jordan Peterson.

At 145 they are like the rapper Eminem. He is a BOSS.

 

[edmaster111]

At 180+ you get the Ubermensch?

 

[Black Rose]

At 180+ you get the Ubermensch?

Sort of:

Ape < Man < Ubermensch

But Nietzsche was only 145

 

[edmaster111]

why does it take a long time to get the Übermensch in power?

 

[ZenRaiden]

Then again it might have been a joke, I can't remember.

I remember watching nature documentary, and they said that lions are active only for 2 hours a day, and the rest of time they just sleep or rest.

 

[dr froyd]

naturally, if there's a limit to the complexity of problems to be solved, greater efficiency means opportunity to be lazier.

which is how many smart people get trapped in mediocrity

 

[birdsnestfern]

Trying to determine if this movie is worth renting: 'Zootopia'.
Oh! It may already be on the Disney Channel, no need to rent. In that case, I will watch it.

WARNING: This Disney Post May Cause Serious FOMO (But It’s Totally Worth It)

There's so much to do in Disney's new 'Zootopia'-themed land.

allears.net

 

[ZenRaiden]

naturally, if there's a limit to the complexity of problems to be solved, greater efficiency means opportunity to be lazier.

Not sure how this follows into your conclusion.

The way I see it that there is great difference between handling complexity and chaos.
Chaos for instance is war. You can be smart as hell but a nade or a bullet will end you no matter how smart you are.

Complexity is also not same for all people.

Laziness is "you don't do what they told you XYZ" , because if you don't do something you are lazy. Not necessarily true, but often time that is how people are manipulated to do stuff.

laziness can also be just "bullshit is not for me" sounds arrogant, but given how much bullshit there is to go around its worth gold in weight not playing these games, or you end up in mediocrity indeed.

Laziness can also simply mean you are tired for xyz reasons which can be anything like not coping, having limes disease, or being burnout or depressed, or having bad diet etc, .... 100s of reasons.

Laziness can also be physiological reaction. Ergo if putting energy into something leads to bad outcomes the smart thing is to dial down your metabolism and enthusiasm and just sit around and be. It means you are saving calories and not fighting for few berries, you just wait for mammoth season or whatever. Very caveman like reaction, but probably worked during droughts in deserts and probs worked in winters in northern climates.

 

[Black Rose]

Agree,

no energy does not mean laziness.

no energy means your body can't do it.

like being ADD does not make people lazy, it makes them impaired.

lazy means you have limp physiology which is not a moral deficit.

can't be a navel seal? does not make you lazy, makes you average.

car broken? not lazy, needs maintenance, and was made by design do its performance.

 

[dr froyd]

It means you are saving calories and not fighting for few berries, you just wait for mammoth season or whatever. Very caveman like reaction, but probably worked during droughts in deserts and probs worked in winters in northern climates.

well that's exactly the problem - our body and brain have evolved to minimize effort as long as you are alive and comfortable. Yet we now exist in circumstances where calories are always close by and limitless, and we can have a bigger range of purpose than just survive and replicate.

my point was based on personal experience - i was lazy as hell coming out of school because my brain adapted the effort level of school (which wasn't much). Like, showing up for tests without knowing anything and learning the subject while taking the test, etc. I got brutalized taking that approach in university and dropped out multiple times, because, you know, "nobody can tell me what to do" and all that. By pure dumb luck i met some people with a work ethic on my 3rd try, which was when i learned that i was just being a lazy bastard

 

[ZenRaiden]

By pure dumb luck i met some people with a work ethic on my 3rd try, which was when i learned that i was just being a lazy bastard

OK I agree that sometimes there is the "lazy bastard label" has meaning.
Its common for intelligent people to rely on raw intellect and not work.
Its habitual, once that is unlearned habit drops sky is limit.
Work ethic is also matter of perspective.
Once you have something to work for, the word work ethic becomes a common sense "why not".
Id argue schools suck at motivating people or inspiring them. There is only so many times you can get an A and feel like its accomplishment.