BMW CEO Collapses on Stage - None Lethal Directed Energy?

[Sinny91]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5h0sTgDsY&app=desktop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLzbk-WI8XM&app=desktop

 

[Architect]

Why did you share that? The poor guy probably had something serious happen

 

[Sinny91]

Why did you share that?

Well that's a silly question, but the answer is: Because what just happened to that dude seems to resemble the effects of a 'microwave gun'... And I thought that interesting enough to share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH_2lIQuJWU&app=desktop

BMW spokesman Maximilian Schoeberl said Krueger, 49, who took over as BMW's CEO earlier this year, was traveling a lot recently and was not feeling well ahead of the presentation, but decided to go ahead.

He said Krueger experienced "a moment of dizziness" and was seen by a doctor, who recommended that he cancel his other appointments for the day and rest at home.

"His condition is not worrisome, they've ruled out anything serious," Schoeberl said. "Mr Kruger's health is stable and he is recovering well."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/09/15/bmw-ceo-collapses-frankfurt/72295342/

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Why did you share that? The poor guy probably had something serious happen

I watched this video of the CEO fall via some major news outlet or another yesterday.

Then I read the comment section below it.

The vociferousness of the peanut gallery was appalling IMO.

99 out of 100 peanut gallery commentators were completely lambasting the guy...for falling down. Even going so far as to extend their criticisms to the product itself (BMW vehicles).

There are a lot of retards out there.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

As far as a microwave gun or some other 'conspiracy' notion...sounds far fetched but hey I wasn't there...can't say.

 

[EditorOne]

Not the CEO thing, but the television people: aphasia-like symptoms are one of the manifestations of migraine. I've had that twice in my life; my wife, who has intractable migraines, gets it several times a month. It is somewhat like a symptom of stroke, you have the word in your head but some other word comes out.

I'm not saying "microwaves are not involved in what you showed," but migraine and it's multi-faceted symptoms of aura, pain, nausea, and loss of speech have been around longer than microwaves.

 

[Sinny91]

Yea, I'm not saying anything for certain either... But we would fair well to maintain an open mind.

 

[Architect]

I design microwave test equipment, the idea of a microwave gun here is childish, you have no fucking idea what is involved. In this case an open mind is like an open toilet that is getting used by a fat, sweaty idiot.

Sinny, I think you would benefit from some basic STEM study. Or at least maybe you'd stop wasting our time with this kind of thing.

 

[Sinny91]

Well my terminology might be off but my premise is not.
How about less insults and more substance, enlighten us.

Just because you can't build a microwave gun doesn't mean it can't be done: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

I think they missed the memo when you said this shit can't be done.

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Geezuz Architect. Its unprecedented in my experience for you to take something so seriously. Thats awesome BTW.

 

[Architect]

Don't you think I know about that? Do you actually think they're used against a CEO on stage for christs sake? Not against, wait for it, enemy electronics where they'll actually be effective?

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Don't you think I know about that? Do you actually think they're used against a CEO on stage for christs sake? Not against, wait for it, enemy electronics where they'll actually be effective?

Physics Professor in the hiz-ouse. School is in session!

 

[Sinny91]

Don't you think I know about that? Do you actually think they're used against a CEO on stage for christs sake? Not against, wait for it, enemy electronics where they'll actually be effective?

Stranger things have happened...

What do you mean 'where they'll actually be effective', these weapons are effective in numerous ways depending on the objective.

As for 'wasting your time', what the hell is so important on this forum that my distraction just caused you such an inconvenience?

 

[Urakro]

Is it just coincidence? Yes, most likely. Lots of coincidences happen.

What's really strange is how nobody ever stuttered until before now. I mean, you don't even see them coughing, sneezing, or having to excuse themselves to go to the washroom.

They definitely weren't human.

 

[Pyropyro]

I don't no Sinny, directed energy weapons as the culprit is a bit implausible.

First of all such weapons are huge, as in "I must have a humvee to fire it huge".

Spoiler

Secondly, unshielded microwaves should affect electronics within the vicinity. People would've noticed that their gadgets are getting funky before the CEO hits the ground.

 

[Sinny91]

I'm pretty sure there are smaller versions. I'll come back round to the topic at some point.

Anyway, it's the fact that he appears to have been pushed backwards by some force, similiar to the effect I linked to.

I haven't looked at the latest DEW weaponry or reports of DEW for some time.

Call me paranoid, but that's what the called the folks who first suffered at the hands of Operation Woodpecker.

 

[Reluctantly]

Looks like he has some kind of condition. He was in pain and lost his composure, but didn't pass out or anything.

Is there a condition for something like that?

I kind of doubt it was high energy microwaves because of the reasons that Pyro mentioned. They require so much electrical power to be effective that large antennas are necessary to dissipate the radiation without overheating. Though I suppose it's possible to make a small device that could work for a short duration. But it's kind of silly to use it for something like this.

 

[Kuu]

Implausible? Yes. Impossible? No.

First of all such weapons are huge, as in "I must have a humvee to fire it huge".

Well, if you want to have a 500 meter range like the ADS, yeah.

In fact you can make a microwave gun with the magnetron of any home microwave oven. You can see videos of people frying electronics with them on youtube. It's ridiculously energetically wasteful for a weapon, but it sure as hell is possible. Perhaps not lethal on short exposure, but probably a nuisance.

Actually, microwave weapons have been researched for decades... In conspiracy circles, there are many claims that some people are constantly harassed through electromagnetic weapons, complaining of nasty headaches, nausea, weird illnesses. The veracity of such claims is questionable, but I wouldn't remove the shielding grates on the microwave door in my kitchen...


Now let's speculate!

If you were, for some mysterious reason, adamant about microwaving someone's face in a live event, ask yourself... what would Kuu do? Let's put the possibility of building a portable microwave gun as a given. How do you get it inside the venue and use it without getting caught? Maybe I can build a microwave gun small enough to fit inside an enclosure that looks like a TV video camera? Those things can be rather bulky. So maybe I can get close enough for a small portable concealed device to work. Now, what about power? Movie filming and live TV use production trucks that have editing and transmission equipment, and can even have several-kilowatt generators on board. So I guess it's not in the realm of the impossible that one could cook someone's brains on stage pretending to be a TV film crew.

The question would of course be why go through so much trouble just to give someone a couple of really shitty seconds?

On second thought, this would probably be easier with concentrated sound.

 

[Pyropyro]

Spoiler

Implausible? Yes. Impossible? No.



Well, if you want to have a 500 meter range like the ADS, yeah.

In fact you can make a microwave gun with the magnetron of any home microwave oven. You can see videos of people frying electronics with them on youtube. It's ridiculously energetically wasteful for a weapon, but it sure as hell is possible. Perhaps not lethal on short exposure, but probably a nuisance.

Actually, microwave weapons have been researched for decades... In conspiracy circles, there are many claims that some people are constantly harassed through electromagnetic weapons, complaining of nasty headaches, nausea, weird illnesses. The veracity of such claims is questionable, but I wouldn't remove the shielding grates on the microwave door in my kitchen...


Now let's speculate!

If you were, for some mysterious reason, adamant about microwaving someone's face in a live event, ask yourself... what would Kuu do? Let's put the possibility of building a portable microwave gun as a given. How do you get it inside the venue and use it without getting caught? Maybe I can build a microwave gun small enough to fit inside an enclosure that looks like a TV video camera? Those things can be rather bulky. So maybe I can get close enough for a small portable concealed device to work. Now, what about power? Movie filming and live TV use production trucks that have editing and transmission equipment, and can even have several-kilowatt generators on board. So I guess it's not in the realm of the impossible that one could cook someone's brains on stage pretending to be a TV film crew.

The question would of course be why go through so much trouble just to give someone a couple of really shitty seconds?

On second thought, this would probably be easier with concentrated sound.

Lol at the microwave gun. It's interesting but I really don't want to risk cataracts just to make another dude embarrass themselves.

I like your concentrated sound alternative. You might want infrasound for that though.

 

[Sinny91]

The*Long Range Acoustic Device*(LRAD) is an*acoustic hailing device*developed byLRAD Corporation*to send messages and warning tones over longer distances or at higher volume than normal*loudspeakers. LRAD systems are used for long range communications in a variety of applications[1]including as a means of non-lethal, non-kinetic crowd control. Though they have been called "sonic weapons",[citation needed]*LRADs are not inherently for military use.

According to the manufacturer's specifications, the systems weigh from 15 to 320 pounds (6.8 to 145.1*kg) and can emit sound in a 30°- 60° beam at 2.5*kHz.[2]The manufacturer also produces systems for public address and mass notification use that broadcast 360°.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

Pretty sure Jesse Ventura got zapped by one of these at the gates of A51.

 

[redbaron]

Yeah I've actually built a microwave gun and use it regularly on people. It's harmless but hilarious. Despite what Architect said this is 100% verifiable and easy to do.

I mean really, as if an ENTP with access to one of these wouldn't just use it to fuck with public figures

 

[redbaron]

I hear being zapped by acoustic amplifiers is very common actually. You're probably onto something there.

 

[Sinny91]

I mean really, as if an ENTP with access to one of these wouldn't just use it to fuck with public figures

My thoughts exactly lol.
I've just done a quick sweep of the conspiracy forums.
Everyone seems divided between tech Vs medical condition.
My mother has epilepsy, and this just doesn't fit the bill.

From my perspective I see him struggling against an unknown force, not simply just 'loosing his footing'.

So far the smallest gadget I've seen with these capabilities is 1ft by 1ft. So I'm sure I can find smaller if I try. Cba to upload the pic.

 

[Tannhauser]

I think I know what happened.

A secret group of evil masterminds got together in their secret volcanic lair and came up with this plan:

Let us install a high-powered microwave cannon in some auto show... to make a guy fall on stage!

 

[Haim]

Look like a blackout.
Like air did not come to his brain because he was nervous or something.

I wouldn't conclude the microwave gun as completely impossible.
You have backstage,sidestage,roof,downstage,the cars.

 

[redbaron]

My thoughts exactly lol.
I've just done a quick sweep of the conspiracy forums.
Everyone seems divided between tech Vs medical condition.
My mother has epilepsy, and this just doesn't fit the bill.

From my perspective I see him struggling against an unknown force, not simply just 'loosing his footing'.

So far the smallest gadget I've seen with these capabilities is 1ft by 1ft. So I'm sure I can find smaller if I try. Cba to upload the pic.

I was kidding it's fucking absurd.

The thing about your version of, "open minded" is that it's actually the opposite of open-minded. Namely because you don't rationally weigh up the likelihood of various different phenomena in specific instances and come to some conclusion about it based on that.

You just look at an event, find the corresponding conspiracy theory and then roll with that, even though you have no clue about the mechanisms you're talking about - like say, people being "zapped" by a fucking LRAD.

Disclaimer: I actually have a reptilian mind control device implanted in my cerebral cortex and this disclaimer is all I can muster up in form of resistance to its primary directive to make me oppose those conspiracy theorists who would shed light on our microwave gun technology that we use to make CEO's of automobile companies fall over in public.

 

[Architect]

The thing about your version of, "open minded" is that it's actually the opposite of open-minded. Namely because you don't rationally weigh up the likelihood of various different phenomena in specific instances and come to some conclusion about it based on that.

Exactly.

 

[Tannhauser]

After this great success, their next mission is do develop highly slippery banana peels which they will drop in front of CEOs.

 

[Pyropyro]

After this great success, their next mission is do develop highly slippery banana peels which they will drop in front of CEOs.

Damn it. Mission Control we have been compromised! I repeat. We have been compromised!

 

[Pyropyro]

I hear being zapped by acoustic amplifiers is very common actually. You're probably onto something there.

I shall bring you down... BY THE POWER OF DUBSTEP!

 

[DrGregoryHouse]

Exactly.

Architect,

can a molecule be split by g forces?

For example, it seems obvious that if the human body were subjected to 1,000,000 G forces, all tissues would be torn to shreds.

If this is true, to what level though?

And if the tissue can be reduced down to more basic forms, can those more basic forms (molecules) be reduced down to the elemental level (atomic) with a certain amount of G forces?

 

[Sinny91]

Make fun all you will. I'm hardly invested in the notion.
History has proved that we can never be too vigilant.
The modus operandi of ridicule rather than research is dangerous thinking.

I could site and evidence numerous cases of psy-and none lethal warfare (including domestically) that would add credence to my point, alas, I've better things to do.

 

[Pyropyro]

Architect,

can a molecule be split by g forces?

For example, it seems obvious that if the human body were subjected to 1,000,000 G forces, all tissues would be torn to shreds.

If this is true, to what level though?

And if the tissue can be reduced down to more basic forms, can those more basic forms (molecules) be reduced down to the elemental level (atomic) with a certain amount of G forces?

We can survive 16-17 g temporarily so that's probably the threshold before tissue damage will mess you up. For reference, F-16's can go up to 9 g.

As for damage at the molecular and atomic level, I think g forces near the event horizon can do that to you. I can't pinpoint the actual g's though. Calculations near the event horizon seems to be messed up.

 

[Architect]

Architect,

can a molecule be split by g forces?

Gravitational force is the weakest and a a molecule is held together by EM so it takes a lot. We could run calculations but the quickest way is to consider a neutron star, near the surface molecules have been reduced down to atomic constituents at a gravitational field of 10^11 g, which then is your upper limit. Further inside the star the gravitational force/pressure actually overcomes the strong force answering your other question.