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Being an INTP is a CURSE :(( Career/Major issue

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I’m sorry about the title but I had to draw your attention.
I do love being an INTP person but I hate it at the same time.
As I read some posts, I believe most of INTP’s have a lot of interests.
Why do I have to be interested in everything? It’s ruining my future
I’m in a college where they make you choose your major from the first year (they love making students life miserable)
I first was a Computer Science major, but it just doesn’t feel right, It’s not my passion, I believe I’m sacrificing a lot.
I can’t choose a career path/college major because, as I said, I’m interested in different things:
Everything from arts to sciences : Geology/Biology/Design related fields/Architecture( I believe that’s my passion but I’m not sure)/Psychology/Mathematics/Structural engineering/Geotech
WTF?! How did you INTP’s managed to choose a career/major ? It’s driving me nuts.
I already wasted a year, I need to make up my mind soon.
I don’t want to end up at the age of 30 in college, not knowing what to do with my life.
And just like the majority of INTP’s I don’t want to be stuck in a boring/routine-based job where I sit behind the desk for the rest of my life.
Any help?
 

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we're not so compatible with mainstream society in certain ways
But in other ways, it tends not to affect us

INTP by nature is not oriented around one straightforward linear path (of development, for example) in the way that someone like an STJ might be.
INTP is more like an ocean of loose blocks that somehow all end up coming together, but in the meantime float around at their own pace

Not that that's an excuse not to go for what currently feels right or sensible

I'm in college, and am also just using it for exploration and advancement in areas I know I have interest in. If you picked a major and don't like where it's going, it might be possible to change it
 

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I’m sorry about the title but I had to draw your attention.
I do love being an INTP person but I hate it at the same time.
As I read some posts, I believe most of INTP’s have a lot of interests.
Why do I have to be interested in everything? It’s ruining my future
I’m in a college where they make you choose your major from the first year (they love making students life miserable)
I first was a Computer Science major, but it just doesn’t feel right, It’s not my passion, I believe I’m sacrificing a lot.
I can’t choose a career path/college major because, as I said, I’m interested in different things:
Everything from arts to sciences : Geology/Biology/Design related fields/Architecture( I believe that’s my passion but I’m not sure)/Psychology/Mathematics/Structural engineering/Geotech
WTF?! How did you INTP’s managed to choose a career/major ? It’s driving me nuts.
I already wasted a year, I need to make up my mind soon.
I don’t want to end up at the age of 30 in college, not knowing what to do with my life.
And just like the majority of INTP’s I don’t want to be stuck in a boring/routine-based job where I sit behind the desk for the rest of my life.
Any help?
You are not alone. The thing that I am most interested in is something that I wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell making a career out of (philosophy of religion), but I am an intelligent person who can make it in just about anything technical, so I am doing something where the marketplace for such work is in high demand and low supply--hydrographic surveying--and I got an undergraduate degree in geomatics in order to get there. I scored a position as a research assistant in grad school, and I am not paying a dime for schooling. When I graduate with a master's degree, I will probably be traveling the world for a few years to do my job, and only after they trick me into a promotion will I be stuck in an office. It is not something that would be ideal--I would rather preach to an adoring audience while smoking pot--but I think the old mantra of following your dreams or your passions is generally very bad advice for making it in the world. Your career is a two-way business exchange between yourself and the world. What you want to give to the world won't mean jack shit if the world doesn't want what you are giving.
 

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Get a sociology major(easy classwork) and double or minor in something else. Making freshman pick their major is harsh, dont know what else to tell you.
 

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I’m interested in different things:
Everything from arts to sciences : Geology/Biology/Design related fields/Architecture( I believe that’s my passion but I’m not sure)/Psychology/Mathematics/Structural engineering/Geotech
WTF?! How did you INTP’s managed to choose a career/major ? It’s driving me nuts.
Taking one at a time.... Your mistake seems to be to look at this as a career. Think of it as picking a chocolate in the shop. Sure, it's a major decision. But will soon enough be eaten and forgotten. The more important aspect imo is what method of thinking it is you want to learn.
 

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Hey mystical_theory,

Cliched it probably is, but if you are not sure about career path:
1) Pick majors that are of interest to you e.g. quantitatively inclined do math, stats etc.
2) Get out there and interact with a lot of people (I know, I know), but this is how to discover career paths and have a feel what is out there.

In my case, I did finance and math, was not very inspiring in terms of career prospects (desk job potential, being an academic), but then met and hung out some guys great at poker and were aiming/or were in trading roles.

That's when I decided on career path, otherwise just reading job descriptions, listening to heresay and limiting experiences to only uni - every career seems boring!!!
 

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I applied for what I was more drawn to (Pharmacy) at the moment I had to apply for something. I'm not sure if it was the right choice but if I could choose something else now, I still wouldn't know what to choose, so whatever. (Here it works this way: You apply for something (like Medicine, Psychology...) when you're 17yo and still in High School, you take a test when you finish High School)
 

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Try programming. As a programmer, I find that my mind lends itself to the task naturally. As in all serious tasks, serious programming requires a good amount of discipline. However, I still enjoy it immensely because it engages both my creativity and technical ability. It's always delightful when someone works exactly as intended.

See the hat? It's not because I am a wizard, but because I am a programmer.

Fredrick P. Brooks said:
I have been asked this question more times than I can remember. I've never had a good answer until I came upon a book by Fredrick P. Brooks, Jr. entitled The Mythical Man-Month. I consider this required reading for anyone who is more than just casually interested in computer science, specifically, software engineering. The first chapter of the book is entitled The Tar Pit and eloquently describes the emotions reflected in the art of computer programming. (Contrary to popular belief, computer programming is more of an art form than a science.)

For every hour I was paid for designing, developing, and implementing software (including game engines, game tools, games, graphics-based simulations, and all kinds of other software), I've spent 10 times as many hours constructing software for my own gratification. Non-programmers and otherwise technically
uninitiated people have always asked me why. For them, this is my response, straight from Mr.Brooks' book, The Mythical Man-Month:

The Joys of the Craft

Why is programming fun? What delights may its practitioner expect as his reward? First is the sheer joy of making things. As the child delights in his mud pie, so the adult enjoys building things, especially things of his own design. I think this delight must be an image of God's delight in making things, a delight shown in the distinctness and newness of each leaf and each snowflake.

Second is the pleasure of making things that are useful to other people. Deep within, we want others to use our work and to find it helpful. In this respect the programming system is not essentially different from the child's first clay pencil holder "for Daddy's office."

Third is the fascination of fashioning complex puzzle-like objects of interlocking moving parts and watching them work in subtle cycles, playing out the consequences of principles built in from the beginning. The programmed computer has all the fascination of the pinball machine or the jukebox mechanism, carried to the ultimate.

Fourth is the joy of always learning, which springs from the nonrepeating nature of the task. In one way or another the problem is ever new, and its solver learns something: sometimes practical, sometimes theoretical, and sometimes both.

Finally, there is the delight of working in such a tractable medium. The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure thought-stuff. He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating by exertion of the imagination. Few media of creation are so flexible, so easy to polish and rework, so readily capable of realizing grand conceptual structures. (As we shall see later, this very tractability has its own problems.)

Yet the program construct, unlike the poet's words, is real in the sense that it moves and works, producing visible outputs separate from the construct itself. It prints results, draws pictures, produces sounds, moves arms. The magic of myth and legend has come true in our time. One types the correct incantation on a keyboard, and a display screen comes to life, showing things that never were nor could be.

Programming then is fun because it gratifies creative longings built deep within us and delights sensibilities we have in common with all men.

The Woes of the Craft

Not all is delight, however, and knowing the inherent woes makes it easier to bear them when they appear.

First, one must perform perfectly. The computer resembles the magic of legend in this respect, too. If one character, one pause, of the incantation is not strictly in proper form, the magic doesn't work. Human beings are not accustomed to being perfect, and few areas of human activity demand it. Adjusting to the requirement for perfection is, I think, the most difficult part of learning to program.

Next, other people set one's objectives, provide one's resources, and furnish one's information. One rarely controls the circumstances of his work, or even its goal. In management terms, one's authority is not sufficient for his responsibility. It seems that in all fields, however, the jobs where things get done never have formal authority commensurate with responsibility. In practice, actual (as opposed to formal) authority is acquired from the very momentum of accomplishment. The dependency upon others has a particular case that is especially painful for the system programmer.

He depends upon the other people's programs. These are often maldesigned, poorly implemented, incompletely delivered (no source code or test cases), and poorly documented. So he must spend hours studying and fixing things that in an ideal world would be complete, available, and usable.

The next woe is that designing grand concepts is fun; finding nitty little bugs is just work. With any creative activity come dreary hours of tedious, painstaking labor, and programming is no exception.

Next, one finds that debugging has a linear convergence, or worse, where one somehow expects a quadratic sort of approach to the end. So testing drags on and on, the last difficult bugs taking more time to find than the first.

The last woe, and sometimes the last straw, is that the product over which one has labored so long appears to be obsolete upon (or before) completion. Already colleagues and competitors are in hot pursuit of new and better ideas. Already the displacement of one's thought-child is not only conceived, but scheduled.

This always seems worse than it really is. The new and better product is generally not available when one completes his own; it is only talked about. It, too, will require months of development. The real tiger is never a match for the paper one, unless actual use is wanted. Then the virtues of reality have a satisfaction all their own.

Of course the technological base on which one builds is always advancing. As soon as one freezes a design, it becomes obsolete in terms of its concepts. But implementation of real products demands phasing and quantizing. The obsolescence of an implementation must be measured against other existing implementations, not against unrealized concepts. The challenge and the mission are to find real solutions to real problems on actual schedules with available resources.

This then is programming, both a tar pit in which many efforts have floundered and a creative activity with joys and woes all of its own
 

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Have you thought about an Interdisiplinary Studies degree? They are for people with differing interests. The goal of the degree is to mix interests into one field of study. I went through so many changes, Philosophy, Religious Studies, Social Work, Music Composition, Interdisiplinary Studies, and now I've decided on Psychology with an emphasis on counseling. It took me 5 years of college to finally realize that this is where my talent lies and I find it rewarding. I could do any job. Tell me the job and I'll figure it out. I'm sure most INTP's are this way. But with interdisiplinary studies you can pursue your interests and you are rather marketable, because it shows employers that you are adaptable and able to any job. Also when you finally get your bach then you'll prolly know what you want to do and just get your masters in it.
 

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To ignore everything but the title, I find you INTPs pretty cool. Every type, for some reason I want to call it a class, been thinking about D&D too much lately :D, has it's faults and awesomenesses about it. Work on your strengths and you should do just fine.
 

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If interdisciplinary studies is available to you, it sounds like it may be a good fit. Otherwise, have you thought of what you'd like to do after you graduate? Depending on what that is, you could pick a major.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there are many people out there who have second careers. So, if you decide later on in life that you want to change careers, it's ok.

Good luck.
 

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I’m sorry about the title but I had to draw your attention.
I do love being an INTP person but I hate it at the same time.
As I read some posts, I believe most of INTP’s have a lot of interests.
Why do I have to be interested in everything? It’s ruining my future
I’m in a college where they make you choose your major from the first year (they love making students life miserable)
I first was a Computer Science major, but it just doesn’t feel right, It’s not my passion, I believe I’m sacrificing a lot.
I can’t choose a career path/college major because, as I said, I’m interested in different things:
Everything from arts to sciences : Geology/Biology/Design related fields/Architecture( I believe that’s my passion but I’m not sure)/Psychology/Mathematics/Structural engineering/Geotech
WTF?! How did you INTP’s managed to choose a career/major ? It’s driving me nuts.
I already wasted a year, I need to make up my mind soon.
I don’t want to end up at the age of 30 in college, not knowing what to do with my life.
And just like the majority of INTP’s I don’t want to be stuck in a boring/routine-based job where I sit behind the desk for the rest of my life.
Any help?

I don't think you should look at it as wasting a year of your life. In that year, you learned about what you need and want with your life, and the time spent doing this was not and will not be wasted. At some point, you will have to make a choice, and you should base it on what you want to do for the rest of your life. Do something that is going to make YOU happy.
It also sounds like you may not be entirely happy with your school. If that's the case, switch schools! You don't have to stay in one place through all your college years. If you decide you are interested in one or many of the social sciences, check out my website, socialsciencedegree.net, for information on the many different schools that offer programs in this subject. Take a look at some of your career options and choose the one you love the most. You will be fine. Good Luck!
 

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Note: just realized this was a resurrected thread. *clears throat* Regardless, the advises written here is applicable to anyone.

If you're interested in everything[me too], then the only criteria left is the utility of your interest. Assuming your TiNe, then I don't recommend the arts, i would think you would regret that eventually. It motivates your Ne to a certain degree but eventually you would hunger for higher technical thinking. It's also the least practical, economically. Choose any of the sciences then apply, or find an interest that follows a smooth transition between hard science and application.[one of the great things about CS] The transition is also dependent on your ability to figure out the meaning of things for yourself.

Side from that, flip a coin.

Having many interests alone doesn't appear to be a problem. Study other things on your own time.

The real issue is whether you can focus on one. If you can't, then you should introspect. The idea behind "TiNe" is that, regardless of the subject, it will be inclined towards something technical and creative, which means that, ideally, you should be able to focus on anything as long as it follows the two criteria. Perhaps it's not boredom you see, perhaps it's an illusion of strict set of possibility, because I see a great amount of possibility and order within all these fields.

All this, in addition, is very dependent on your talent.
 

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What Crippli said.

Being an INTP may turn out to be a blessing. A lot of studies and big thinkers indicate that with the rapid pace of technology and cultural change and whatnot, it is likely most people will not just have five or six different jobs in their lifetime, but probably two or three unrelated careers to go with it. Think of all the people not that many years ago who were busy learning the latest "computer language" like FORTRAN or COBOL. They are now obsolete, with far greater speed than buggy whip manufacturers lost out when automobiles replaced horses.

The only "skills" you need are the ability to learn quickly and the flexibility to be able to change quickly. For adaptability, INTPs are at the top of the heap.

Education used to be about learning how to think. Now it seems almost everything in college is really a lot more like trade school than university.

My school wanted majors picked early. In the course of four years I went from journalism to a dual major in journalism/english, then the last two years with international relations/english. And that was in the 1960s. Back then nobody called me "INTP," only "indecisive." :D

By last count I had nine different jobs (nine different roles) in four newspapers across 38 years of journalism. I now have, in semi-retirement, two different startup businesses in totally unrelated fields. While I am drawing on experience, I'm still learning the old fashioned way to get these businesses going. That's just vocational stuff. Outside of that field I've done everything from building boats to running a trapline to racing bicycles to learning to play the piano to writing novels to civil war reenacting. Some minor farming. And I was a fully functioning carpenter for a year.
My interest in every single thing, job or not job, was intense until I achieved competency. Then, even though I might continue with it, the intensity got transferred to something else that was new and glittering.
This is how we tend to be. All that might seem like a lot of stuff, but spread out over 45 years or so, no. We are good at learning, quick to figure things out, quick to see how things are done.

Pick a major, but first find out how you change a major, and anyway look for courses that develop your ability to think and learn. Foreign languages are great for learning new patterns of speaking and thinking - teaching your brain how to see and use new patterns. Algebra is great for teaching your mind systems for logically organizing thoughts. A journalism course might teach you how to quickly sift through disorganized facts to identify the most significant aspect of those facts. Talk to other students during your first year to find out what they thought about various courses, and remember that what they dislike about them might be exactly what you'd find most fascinating.

You are INTP. You can figure it out.

There's a famous line in Marlon Brando's "Wild One" movie, where he's a motorcycle gang leader, and a geezer asks him "What are you rebelling against?" His response, the coolest imaginable, is "Wadda ya got?" Paraphrase that and it's us: "What are you going to do for a living?" "Wadda ya got?" delivered with a confident sneer.
 

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If forced to 'choose' again, I'd probably at least try to approach the question with the premise that whatever I choose, will eventually turn boring no matter how much I love it right now, because for me WORK equals COMMITMENT which will light up innate aversion. This strategy would lead to excluding all the activities I love the most.

The apostrophes mean I didn't.
 

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I think i am going to have problem with career choosing too but i already got some i really like but the best choice would be college forever:).
 

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Actually, it works in our favour. Most people settle on a career early, without thinking much about their options, and usually regret it much later. But by then, it's too late, and requires a major upheaval. INTPs' desire to take their time on a decision, leaves them much more likely to make better long-term decisions, such as their career.

Also, I highly recommend reading the book "What colour is your parachute?" To get a gist of what it teaches, you can borrow an old copy from a library. It's a real eye-opener on what REALLY matters in a career in the long-term.
 

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I'm interested in everything, but I'm not interested enough in anything, resulting in me doing nothing. It really is unfortunate.
 

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@Fghw you are on one hell of a bump massacre.
 
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