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88 +- 6 so the best is 94 worst 82 all I can say is oh shit. But I like the test, the problem is that the chaotic parts realy need more time. I think I screwed up the last reasoning part.
 

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"That makes the estimate for your IQ 92 +/- 6."
I'm so bad at English so I skipped many questions! :confused:
 

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I got a 103 +/- 6

Considering I haven't graduated high school yet, I think this is alright.

If you think about it, IQ is just a theory. What is intelligence? Is intelligence brain smart or actually applying said brain power and doing many great things?

I can sit and take a test all day, but am I really smart?
 

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I got an IQ of 103. That timer was enough to drive me insane,especially in the mathematical categories.
 

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It gave me 129 +/- 6.

The major problem with the timer is that it's per section instead of per question. I never reached the bottom of some sections, which means my ability to answer the remaining questions was never measured. If the unanswered questions would have been easier or harder for me than the answered questions, then my score for that section isn't my true average.

Oh, and the matrices section is spelled "matracies" in the URL, which is somewhat worrying, especially considering one of the sections is "spelling".
 

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105 ; not brilliant :D
would probably grab a few more point if test was in my native language but i don't think it would make a huge difference

Vocabulary : super easy
Matrix completion : did ok
Analogies : super easy
Spatial rotation : ok i guess
Numerical reasoning : terrible, completed only 30%
Spelling : super easy
Rushed arithmetic : completed only 30-40%
Deduction : 0%, hard as fuck for me
 

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The major problem with the timer is that it's per section instead of per question. I never reached the bottom of some sections, which means my ability to answer the remaining questions was never measured. If the unanswered questions would have been easier or harder for me than the answered questions, then my score for that section isn't my true average.

This. Oh the irony of the presence of this flaw in an "IQ" test.

I refuse to do it, I got a 131 when a psychologist tested me (for the most part questions were indeed individually time limited, most likely for the reasons Pernocactus brought up and; moreover, because the appropriate time limit isn't the same for every item on an IQ test) and since then I dare not take another test for fear of performing worse. I would probs score 75 on this because my bottlenecks are processing speed and working memory anyway.

I conclude thusly that this test is total sucks ass
 

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This. Oh the irony of the presence of this flaw in an "IQ" test.

I refuse to do it, I got a 131 when a psychologist tested me (for the most part questions were indeed individually time limited, most likely for the reasons Pernocactus brought up and; moreover, because the appropriate time limit isn't the same for every item on an IQ test) and since then I dare not take another test for fear of performing worse. I would probs score 75 on this because my bottlenecks are processing speed and working memory anyway.

I conclude thusly that this test is total sucks ass

You demonstrate an immense ignorance of psychometric testing. As does anyone who dismisses timed tests. Nonetheless, they do put certain people at a disadvantage, if only mostly at the psychological level.
The reason I called the test awesome was it's accurate bell-curve, its comparison to real-world tests and its length - a very accurate representation of your IQ in just 20 minutes (unless timers stress you out, which is actually a very widely used excuse (although a real factor for some)).

Nonetheless, if you are looking for the absolute accurate in terms of internet tests, look no farther than the jcti: http://www.cerebrals.org/jcti/JCTI.html
Takes an hour, but correlates at 0.8 with real-world IQ tests, despite using only spatial items and inductive reasoning.
Also, it's untimed, which I'm sure you'll love.
 

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Except I did not categorically dismiss timed test but rather the way in which this test was timed, as it is not in line with the methodology of real IQ tests for reasons which I and Pernertact brought up but you omitted commenting on.

Furthermore, correlation is measured on a general level and is probably based on average the deviation between the tests in either direction. Which means it could be a lot less accurate than that 0.8 implies on an individual level.
 

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Except I did not categorically dismiss timed test but rather the way in which this test was timed, as it is not in line with the methodology of real IQ tests for reasons which I and Pernertact brought up but you omitted commenting on.

Furthermore, correlation is measured on a general level and is probably based on average the deviation between the tests in either direction. Which means it could be a lot less accurate than that 0.8 implies on an individual level.

Raven's advanced progressive matrices and standard progressive matrices, which are professionally developed and used tests, both have time limits that apply to the whole test (not even to subsections). 40 minutes to do the whole thing in the case of the RAPM, can't remember the number for the other. I repeat, professionally developed and used (which correlate at circa 0.8). I think that this is strong evidence to support my argument "timers on whole tests have little effect on somebody's score, except for certain people that it really does stress out."

As for your note at correlation, true. But it does not apply in this case.
 

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I.Q. test and speed. This test measures something, but is it intelligence? How much or what kind of intelligence is measured by speed? Take a look at this from this from another thread:
Is this fellow more intelligent than I because he can do it faster?
Am I more intelligent than this fellow because I can go further enabling me to catch up?

Consider that section of the test where blocks are to be rotated. Given enough time, one might get 100 percent. Now while admittedly speed might be related to a form of intelligence, what about the person who learns the rules of 3D rotation? Practice could enable 100 percent. Now what do we conclude?
 

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@Coolydudey You've mentioned twice now about timed tests "stressing out" people, but that point was not what either Cherry Cola or I were commenting on. Do you have any response to the concern that was actually raised?

(Keep in mind that I will never consider the sole fact that something is classified "professional" as evidence of anything.)
 

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Why does it not apply in this case?
Why does a total time limit remedy the problem of a lack of discrete time limits per question?

Why do you not have any response to the concerns me and and pernyberny have been raising?
 

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Cherry. My experience with Cooleydudey is it difficult to interact with him. He likes to present his case and then ... .
 

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Consider that section of the test where blocks are to be rotated. Given enough time, one might get 100 percent. Now while admittedly speed might be related to a form of intelligence, what about the person who learns the rules of 3D rotation? Practice could enable 100 percent. Now what do we conclude?
Assuming that given enough time, anyone could reach 100%, and that training will improve overall speed, we conclude that the person with highest score in the fastest time with the least amount of training is the smartest. Therefore, time can readily be presumed a relevant factor.
 

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OK, here goes. So as to not turn this into a flame war, I concede that I have taken my argument further than rational. I shall now show the same about yours.

Why does it not apply in this case?

There is one way of properly measuring correspondence between IQ tests, and that is correlation. And there is one way of measuring correlation properly, and in the case of the JCTI it has been done properly.

Why does a total time limit remedy the effect of discrete time limits per question?

I never said anything of the sort. I said they were roughly equivalent.

Why do you not have any response to the concern me and and pernyberny have been raising?

I do,

To quote pernoctator

The major problem with the timer is that it's per section instead of per question. I never reached the bottom of some sections, which means my ability to answer the remaining questions was never measured. If the unanswered questions would have been easier or harder for me than the answered questions, then my score for that section isn't my true average.

IQ test questions are specifically designed to get noticeably harder (for everyone, barring luck or other rare factors) as the test goes on. A per section timer does require some basic time management, but if you get stuck on a question, then you're very likely (at lest 80% in my experience) to get stuck on the next one. Problem solved.

To quote you

I refuse to do it, I got a 131 when a psychologist tested me (for the most part questions were indeed individually time limited, most likely for the reasons Pernocactus brought up and; moreover, because the appropriate time limit isn't the same for every item on an IQ test) and since then I dare not take another test for fear of performing worse. I would probs score 75 on this because my bottlenecks are processing speed and working memory anyway.

So a time limit for a section means that you should spend the same amount of time on each question in that section is what you are saying? Of course it gives you the freedom to allocate the time differently, so again, problem solved.


To get back to what I was saying. To dispatch your argument quickly, I previously ignored your comments and gave you a real world example of an IQ test, timed all in one go that correlates highly with the WAIS (the golden standard of IQ tests, and the one you took seeing what you wrote).

And finally,
Cherry. My experience with Coolydudey is it difficult to interact with him. He likes to present his case and then ... .

I am interested in precise ideas. Once I have presented an accurate (according to my knowledge) thesis that is decently backed up, I bother no more. I hate detail, and my Ti is interested not in detail, but truth and accuracy.
Btw, I am choosing to ignore all comments about IQ vs intelligence. Nobody can decide what intelligence means, so it's a debate that uses much time for little result.
 

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Assuming that given enough time, anyone could reach 100%, and that training will improve overall speed, we conclude that the person with highest score in the fastest time with the least amount of training is the smartest. Therefore, time can readily be presumed a relevant factor.
Sure both time and training are factors. Now we have two factors. That makes:
1. Fast time; little training
2. Fast time; lots of training
3. Slow time; little training
4. Slow time; lots of training

All with the same score. Now how is their intelligence?
 

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Sure both time and training are factors. Now we have two factors. That makes:
1. Fast time; little training
2. Fast time; lots of training
3. Slow time; little training
4. Slow time; lots of training

All with the same score. Now how is their intelligence?
1>3>2>4
 

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@Coolydudey
There is one way of properly measuring correspondence between IQ tests, and that is correlation.
A high correlation would allow for few exceptions. A lessor correlation would allow more exceptions. The more exceptions there are the less value the test.


the WAIS (the golden standard of IQ tests
Is this the same kind of test? Is it timed? What if it is different and results on the exceptional ends are more affected by timing in spite of high correlation while results in the middle are not?


I am interested in precise ideas. Once I have presented an accurate (according to my knowledge) thesis that is decently backed up, I bother no more. I hate detail, and my Ti is interested not in detail, but truth and accuracy.
I'm in favor of precise ideas also. I hate devils in the details though. A flaw in the test can blow up the results in spite of correlation. Correlation is not a god.


Btw, I am choosing to ignore all comments about IQ vs intelligence. Nobody can decide what intelligence means, so it's a debate that uses much time for little result.
When one ignores, one can face ignorance. What's his name, snafupants, observed two kinds of intelligence the technical names I don't know. But one was for nature and the other was for acquired experience. What if this "WAIS" test is meant for those of college age? That would present a bias against someone like me. I used to value speed. Now I dislike it as I don't need it. (Of course we don't have to care about that, lol.)

Note: I don't care how high your I.Q. is. Make a mistake that is visible and your "intelligence" can be blown out of the water.
 

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IQ test questions are specifically designed to get noticeably harder (for everyone, barring luck or other rare factors) as the test goes on. A per section timer does require some basic time management, but if you get stuck on a question, then you're very likely (at lest 80% in my experience) to get stuck on the next one. Problem solved.

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Of course it gives you the freedom to allocate the time differently, so again, problem solved.

You're being inconsistent.

You attempt to solve the problem of varying difficulty (leading to inconclusive results based on unanswered questions) by claiming that all the questions are arranged in order of difficulty, meaning everything is fine as long as the test is taken in sequence.

Then you say that time management solves the problem.

These two "solutions" are completely at odds with each other. Also, neither of them alone stand up under scrutiny:

The first is absurd, because the notion that questions can be ranked based on difficulty "for everyone" contradicts the purpose of the test itself. It is absolutely not true, because the questions I skipped were not always the ones at the bottom half of the page. For the pages I did complete, I found the difficulty to vary and not steadily ramp up.

The second relies on the test-taker's ability to gauge their own ability to answer the questions and allocate time, which should be a clear red flag. Time management is a skill, and not the one being tested. It also takes time. How much time should I spend reading all the questions and choosing which ones I should spend time on? How does the system determine how much time was allocated to sorting the questions, and how much time was spent on attempting them, let alone which questions were attempted and the average time for an attempt?
 

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Over and out. I said I took my argument too far. I said you did the same. You are sticking to your guns as if you were leading a revolution, all we're discussing is timers on IQ tests.

1) Nevertheless. The WAIS is the golden standard of IQ tests. I developed an IQ test, ooh look how does it compare to the WAIS?

2)This isn't a proper IQ test, come on. Of course the questions aren't going to scale properly in difficulty, and even if they did, basic time management would solve the problem. As I said, if you get stuck, you are more than 95% likely to get stuck on one of the next two questions. And, why is time management not a facet of intelligence? And why are you ignoring hard correlation numbers with airy arguments? Sure, they hold water, and are important to consider, but as I said, you have clearly taken your thesis too far. People who perform well on the type of test you are suggesting ALSO perform well on the type of test I am suggesting. Ergo timers are clearly not that important. Neither of us are qualified to argue any more about exactly what their effect is and how they should be used (if at all, because tests without timers also correlate very highly. As I said, if you get stuck somewhere you'll get stuck further down, no matter what the time). So let's stop derailing the thread. And, point of information, another test still very widely used with a per-test (or perhaps per-section, can't remember) timer is the cattell. By mensa as well.

3)BAP, there are other measurements apart from correlation. And also, if anything, wouldn't it be nice to have a few very random scores and many very accurate ones at the same correlation, rather than all fairly accurate?

4)BAP, just because I refuse to discuss something doesn't mean I haven't thought about it extensively. Sometimes I'll find someone who I know it may be worth giving it a go though, and I'll try.
 

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I'm in favor of precise ideas also. I hate devils in the details though.

Hehe. A precise idea can mean an enormous amount of detail. It's just that once I've bothered going through a bunch of it, i'm definitely not bothered to regurgitate it. But when I do ever take a serious position on something, like now, it's because I can throw a stone wall of an argument at you. Sure, maybe it has a crack or a hole where you can bring it down, but that's never happened to me. When I take a serious position, it's always me doing more convincing than my opponent. I also don't debate for fun, and if I don't know enough about the truth, will put another accurate idea out and leave it there (another source of what you perceive as me vanishing in arguments).

Anyways, an interesting thing that does come out from everything I have said is that the concept of IQ measures a surprisingly broad array of tasks under different environments. If people really knew just what an IQ score entails, they would be a)less quick to dismiss it b)more fearful of it.
 

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Just curious what IQ did you get from this test cooly.
 

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The correlative arguments in regards to timers not meaning IQ tests don't accurately predict holds somewhat true only when it comes to a larger statistical narrative.
When it comes to assessing individuals, a timer will most definitely skew the results as a measurement of some people's ability to apply fluid intelligence in the real situations where it is useful (situations that mostly do not contain an element of timer induced stress or time-management skills).

When it comes to predicting future success, being able to work under timer induced stress and being able to prioritize one's time optimally are factors that heavily influences being able to climb the socioeconomic system we live under, independently of general intelligence.

This probably makes timed IQ tests even more accurate than a more pure fluid intelligence test in regards to measuring the likelihood of a person achieving high socioeconomic status or being high on other 'success' metrics.

Nonetheless, it still skews results in the favour of people with certain capacities that aren't fluid intelligence.
 

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The correlative arguments in regards to timers not meaning IQ tests don't accurately predict holds somewhat true only when it comes to a larger statistical narrative.
When it comes to assessing individuals, a timer will most definitely skew the results as a measurement of some people's ability to apply fluid intelligence in the real situations where it is useful (situations that mostly do not contain an element of timer induced stress or time-management skills).

When it comes to predicting future success, being able to work under timer induced stress and being able to prioritize one's time optimally are factors that heavily influences being able to climb the socioeconomic system we live under, independently of general intelligence.

This probably makes timed IQ tests even more accurate than a more pure fluid intelligence test in regards to measuring the likelihood of a person achieving high socioeconomic status or being high on other 'success' metrics.

Nonetheless, it still skews results in the favour of people with certain capacities that aren't fluid intelligence.

point accepted. It depends what you want an IQ test to measure. Still, the high correlation does show that the timer isn't as important as you might think it is. I also think it's more of a case that it skews the results a lot for certain people, and only a little for most.

And since somebody asked, and other people did post theirs, I got a 135. Based on various online tests, I would say that mine is between 125 and 145, more likely between 130+ and 140+.
 

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The WAIS is the golden standard of IQ tests. I developed an IQ test, ooh look how does it compare to the WAIS?

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And why are you ignoring hard correlation numbers with airy arguments? Sure, they hold water, and are important to consider, but as I said, you have clearly taken your thesis too far.

So which is it, an airy argument, or a thesis?

Cooly, as you can see from even this post, you have been the one using this comparison to support this IQ test. No one else was making any such comparison. In fact, I specifically told you in post #16 that I would not consider such arguments.

I told you I am not interested in "professional" stamps of approval. So when I criticize one system, by informing me that it is similar to another system, you have not solved the one problem -- you have simply made me aware that there are two problems.



As I said, if you get stuck, you are more than 95% likely to get stuck on one of the next two questions.

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As I said, if you get stuck somewhere you'll get stuck further down, no matter what the time).

And I said the opposite. Your statement is based on an imaginary ideal, while mine is based on what actually happened.

As you continue to claim that my consistent experience is less than 5% likely to occur, I become less than 5% likely to take you seriously.

Are you saying that if everyone took the test working their way up from the bottom question in each section, they would get a significantly lower result? Would you like to put that thesis (or is it an airy argument?) to the test?



And, why is time management not a facet of intelligence?

I don't know; let's consult our expert:

I am choosing to ignore all comments about IQ vs intelligence. Nobody can decide what intelligence means, so it's a debate that uses much time for little result.
 

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someone ban this guy he is totally not cool with his ignoring of basic logic because he doesn't want to admit the flaws of the tests he's linked

they may be decent internet IQ tests... but that doesn't make them good IQ tests

And about the JCTI, it's short as fuck and it uses only one type of test item. Thus it can only be correlated to the total WAIS score and not the subscores. Further blurring and further making the test results uninteresting.
 

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@Coolydudey. Thank you for the replies you gave.
3)BAP, there are other measurements apart from correlation. And also, if anything, wouldn't it be nice to have a few very random scores and many very accurate ones at the same correlation, rather than all fairly accurate?
Good question and here is my answer. It depends on what your goal is. If you want to measure everyone be it imperfectly, go with the latter. If you don't care about exceptions, go with the former. If I were in the exception category, thought I highly qualified for a job but got rejected because of my low score, I wouldn't be too happy. It is well known blacks in the USA have been unfairly judged by IQ tests because their culture is different. I say a speed test is also baised, not for culture, but for age. Age means me.

4)BAP, just because I refuse to discuss something doesn't mean I haven't thought about it extensively. Sometimes I'll find someone who I know it may be worth giving it a go though, and I'll try.
You are free not to discuss something but ... umm ... then there will be no discussion. You thinking about it may not be adequate. Why do you think important writings require peer reviews? Answer: because important writings can have overlooked mistakes.

This is just a guess, but if a person is strongly motivated enough to achieve a goal, they may be willing to ignore the risk of mistakes. They may prefer those who will agree with them thus covering up mistakes. This is not me. I love to look for exceptions. I am professionally trained to look for proof and I like proof even if it's hard to find. In mathematics, proof rejects ALL exceptions.
 

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For god's sake, just to clarify some things;

So which is it, an airy argument, or a thesis?

Cooly, as you can see from even this post, you have been the one using this comparison to support this IQ test. No one else was making any such comparison. In fact, I specifically told you in post #16 that I would not consider such arguments.

I told you I am not interested in "professional" stamps of approval. So when I criticize one system, by informing me that it is similar to another system, you have not solved the one problem -- you have simply made me aware that there are two problems.

I used no correlation studies to support the validity of this IQ test. None. Read carefully. I used them to support the JCTI. And if you have a different notion of what IQ is, I encourage you to put it out there, but for now, the WAIS is the standard of IQ testing given what IQ is supposed to mean and how people think it should be measured.



And I said the opposite. Your statement is based on an imaginary ideal, while mine is based on what actually happened.

As you continue to claim that my consistent experience is less than 5% likely to occur, I become less than 5% likely to take you seriously.

Again, I claimed no such thing about this test. I claimed it about serious tests, carefully developed and with a timing structure similar to this one.

Are you saying that if everyone took the test working their way up from the bottom question in each section, they would get a significantly lower result? Would you like to put that thesis (or is it an airy argument?) to the test?

Definitely. My logic says to me that I'll do less hard questions in the same amount of time, and since they are all equally weighted, I'll do less well.

I don't know; let's consult our expert:

Bwahaha. Agaian, you are not reading carefully. That was a though provoking question, not a discussion.
 

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someone ban this guy he is totally not cool with his ignoring of basic logic because he doesn't want to admit the flaws of the tests he's linked

they may be decent internet IQ tests... but that doesn't make them good IQ tests

And about the JCTI, it's short as fuck and it uses only one type of test item. Thus it can only be correlated to the total WAIS score and not the subscores. Further blurring and further making the test results uninteresting.

ahhem. really? Ban me, for ignoring what basic logic? I said your arguments hold water, that is accepting basic logic my friend. And I said they are important to consider. Wow, that really is accepting basic logic. I just showed you that tests timed in one go are still very valid, contrary to what your arguments seemed to show you thought. Maybe we should ban you for not bothering to read my posts?

Also,
a)I never claimed they would stand up to real world test standards.
b)The JCTI is not "short as fuck", at more than an hour if done properly. Sorry. If you get 5 in a row wrong, it does stop you though.
 

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Timing relates to how fast one can solve problems. To dismiss it as a factor of intelligence would be rather silly.

If two people solve the same problem, the one that completes it quicker would be deemed to be more intelligent. What else would you call it? "He's not more intelligent, he's just quicker at getting the answer than I am... I'm equally as intelligent as him, I just need to think things through more." :rolleyes:

It seems to me that the people that are arguing against timed tests are the ones that are too afraid to have their high score tainted because in reality, they rank themselves higher in intelligence than they actually are. It's amusing to read.
 

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I used no correlation studies to support the validity of this IQ test. None. Read carefully.

You are being overly specific ("correlation studies") to allow yourself to deny your behavior. I never said anything about "correlation studies", I only used that as the most recent example. Read carefully:

1) Nevertheless. The WAIS is the golden standard of IQ tests. I developed an IQ test, ooh look how does it compare to the WAIS?

The reason I called the test awesome was it's accurate bell-curve, its comparison to real-world tests and its length

You have been repeatedly using comparison to support your opinion, while I'm explicitly not doing that myself, so your rebuke was both pointless and hypocritical.



Again, I claimed no such thing about this test. I claimed it about serious tests, carefully developed and with a timing structure similar to this one.

You were defending this test's methodology by pointing to other existing examples of the same methodology. As I've told you twice, such a defense is meaningless to me.

I have been criticizing the methodology itself, not just this test in particular. Not once have you actually responded to any of those points; you just continuously say "yeah but the serious professionals do it too" in as distractingly verbose a manner as possible.



Definitely. My logic says to me that I'll do less hard questions in the same amount of time, and since they are all equally weighted, I'll do less well.

I agree that is logical, but of course its truth depends on the truth of the premise. In this case that is that the questions are arranged according to their difficulty, which depends on the nonsensical assumption that relative distribution of difficulty is the same for every person. Having experienced the questions, I know that this assumption is clearly untrue.
 

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It seems to me that the people that are arguing against timed tests are the ones that are too afraid to have their high score tainted because in reality, they rank themselves higher in intelligence than they actually are. It's amusing to read.

This makes no sense. If one was afraid of reality invalidating their score, one would be more motivated to argue that the test WAS valid.
 

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This makes no sense. If one was afraid of reality invalidating their score, one would be more motivated to argue that the test WAS valid.

Nonsense. IQ tests are nothing more than dick swinging stats.

If people take one test, get a high score and then take another and get a low score, they will say the lower score is inaccurate. As can be found everywhere on this forum.
 

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If people take one test, get a high score and then take another and get a low score, they will say the lower score is inaccurate.

Exactly. But I'm arguing against the test that gave me the high score, so... :confused:
 

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Exactly. But I'm arguing against the test that gave me the high score, so... :confused:

This isn't actually addressing my statement is it? There is a difference between high and higher/highest score.
 

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This isn't actually addressing my statement is it? There is a difference between high and higher/highest score.

Sure it does.

It seems to me that the people that are arguing against timed tests are the ones that are too afraid to have their high score tainted because in reality, they rank themselves higher in intelligence than they actually are. It's amusing to read.

Pernoctator introduces a conflicting data point to this.

I will introduce a second one. I haven't taken the test and don't tend to personally have any problems with timed cognitive ability tests.

Either you worded yourself in a way that doesn't reflect your perception of the motivations of a subset of people in this thread, or you will have to re-evaluate the perception you do have.

Or dodge it repeatedly if you want. That's always an option. :angel:
 

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This isn't actually addressing my statement is it? There is a difference between high and higher/highest score.

Yes, but given that the only score known is one that is well above average, I don't see what you're basing the statement on. Which high score do you suppose I'm afraid of being tainted?
 

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I will introduce a second one. I haven't taken the test and don't tend to personally have any problems with timed cognitive ability tests.

How is this a conflicting data point?

Sure it does.

No it doesn't (see below).

Yes, but given that the only score known is one that is well above average, I don't see what you're basing the statement on. Which high score do you suppose I'm afraid of being tainted?

I used a comparative between two tests in my statement.

Unless you are saying that you have an official IQ test score that is lower than the one in this thread, you have no argument against my point.

Until you post a comparative score, I cannot add anything else.
 

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Unless you are saying that you have an official IQ test score that is lower than the one in this thread, you have no argument against my point.

Until you post a comparative score, I cannot add anything else.

Wait, why do I need a comparative score? You need a comparative score, otherwise your statement is based on nothing. The existence of a higher score would support your statement, but the lack of a lower score means nothing.


I used a comparative between two tests in my statement.

Which two tests?
 

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Wait, why do I need a comparative score? You need a comparative score, otherwise your statement is based on nothing. The existence of a higher score would support your statement, but the lack of a lower score means nothing.

This is logically wrong... Either my statement is supported, or it isn't. The lack of a comparison nullifies your argument against my statement.
 

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The lack of a comparison nullifies your argument.

Only if my argument is the exact opposite of yours, i.e. that people argue against tests that give them higher scores.

I am not claiming any correlation at all. I am only claiming that your statement is unsupported. So where is the support for your statement?
 

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Although Coolydudey said the correlation between a "good" IQ test and his test was very good, he didn't give the source sample that produced this correlation ... unless I missed it.

Some people may be sensitive to speed tests. Those "few" will score high if they are quick and low if they are slow.

I used to be speedy. I no longer care, am happy with and prefer to go slow and savor. I'm not interested in speed where speed is required and Coolydudey's test lets you know at every stage the timing situation. Therefore I will score low on this test. Now is that accurate for IQ? Yes it is. I will be in the dumpster if you put me up against a person of regular speed.
 

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You are being overly specific ("correlation studies") to allow yourself to deny your behavior. I never said anything about "correlation studies", I only used that as the most recent example. Read carefully:


You have been repeatedly using comparison to support your opinion, while I'm explicitly not doing that myself, so your rebuke was both pointless and hypocritical.

You were defending this test's methodology by pointing to other existing examples of the same methodology. As I've told you twice, such a defense is meaningless to me.

I have been criticizing the methodology itself, not just this test in particular. Not once have you actually responded to any of those points; you just continuously say "yeah but the serious professionals do it too" in as distractingly verbose a manner as possible.

Since you clearly have the experience and knowledge to forge new standars in IQ tests and don't need to take professional opinion and practice into account then I shall trust your word as gospel. You very clearly know what you are talking about.

Edit: and just in case you didn't quite catch my argument, it is "while this method may not be the best way to apply a timer in an IQ test (debatable, depending what you want the test to measure), it certainly is roughly equivalent (pretty close in most cases) to other methods of testing IQ."
Just though I'd clarify, because I have seen confusion about who is arguing what too many times. It might be something to do with my communication style.
 

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Btw BAP, thanks for your contribution to the thread. Everybody's ignoring you, but you've said some good points.
 
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