Are Introverted Functions Less Natural Than Extroverted Functions?

[pjoa09]

I have literally no science or facts to back up whatever I am thinking here.

I just have anecdotes.

I thought what would a dog's MBTI be.

I am thinking it wouldn't care of traditions or feel nostalgic. It'd be aware and in the moment. Thats extroverted sensing I suppose.

It'd be upset if it's environment was in absolute chaos. It'd be provoked and unsettled if its social circle is disturbed. It doesn't have a sense of morality or an ideal. That's extroverted feeling.

The functions that I think are slightly less primitive despite being extroverted would be Te and Ne.

But you could argue that extroverted thinking is essentially a requirement for a pack leader of some wolves perhaps. The ability to plan an attack. Rigid logic is of no use in the wild.

I'd say extroverted intuition is also very natural. I'd say a dog or a wolf would have that in spades. The ability to sense that one is in danger in the wild is expected. Again, no use of some Nostradamus in the wild when you aren't sure if you're there for tomorrow.

I just can't see Si,Ti,Ni,or Fi being natural. They seem like functions that only exist in some sort of civilization. Some sort of expectation that there is a tomorrow.

I don't know. Just a funny thought I came across.

Could animals have introverted functions or does it have introverted functions? Is it a prerequisite to have an environment thats civilized to culture introverted functions?

ye.

 

[dragula]

Dogs are not Humans. Dolphins are.

 

[washti]

Huskies are Fi af.

 

[dragula]

And that's why we need like buttons

 

[nanook]

if there is truth to these correlations, then we would have to say that extroversion is more foundational and introversion is more integral, in other words evolution progresses from extroversion to introversion, without abandoning extroverted abilities, however by dominating extroverted expression. its semantics that animals are not more "natural" than humans, only less evolved. however i mainly doubt that these correlations are accurate. it's in line with jung's thinking about typology and stands to reason, that cognition starts out in a neutral state, that perfectly fuses a very foundational degree of introverted and extroverted intelligence. what differentiates some humans from animals is division of labor, achieved by typology. a differentiation of such fused foundational cognition into more radically distinct and specialized expressions of introversion and extroversion (and any of the four functions) is what gives birth to human civilization. any attempt to reduce the diversity by pathologizing any type is evolutionary regressive, back to primitivity, not back to nature. we have to clearly understand what every function is capable of and learn how to integrate ourselves, authentically, into a cooperative group, which has to pursue the authentic expression of all of its members (cognition), rather than only the vision of it's supposedly ENTJ tyrant leader.

in our tyrannical world order, introversion has become synonymous with being intimidated and being lost in a false self, that imitates extroverts and hides introversion, which is not allowed or trained in integrating its gift with society. but these are nevertheless two different phenomena.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Outside of MBTI functions have no meaning. Within MBTI functions have questionable meaning. Functions as such were divided i or e on very odd basis and to further the headache there is no logic behind functions.

Ergo functions make sense because we take them as axioms and then follow the logic of functions as if they are true and that appears to make them look sensible. However if you reverse the process and go from behavior to function to can never be too sure what function is in question. Hence no one really knows what functions you have unless you tell them. Once you tell them you can justify having certain behavior on basis of some function.

There is for example overlap between agreeable behavior and extrovert behavior. There is overlap with disagreeable behavior and introversion. There is a certain sense of agreement that functions that are e seem to be reactive while functions that are i tend to be creative.