Are INTP's really INTP's?

[not]

Introvert vs Extrovert at the most basic level is a question of how do we derive our energy? Do we generate our energy from within ourselves or do we feed off the external world? - It is not only fear but actual survival instincts that kick in. If you generate your own energy, and are the source of energy for others, than you have to be careful and weary of extroverts, for they will drain you of your energy.

The best way for an introvert to gain confidence and to be able to deal with the social world is to strengthen their natural forcefield and to cultivate their energy production.

Eating well and exercising will go a long way. I recommend acupuncture. I find that my ability to give people my energy is the source of my most joyful moments.

Know your limits. Extroverts love to have me around because I inexplicably make them feel joy. Extroverts, without knowing why, seek me out.

 

[Grayman]

You seem to recognize intuitively what is going on. People find comfort in presence. An introvert is a greater comfort for an extrovert because of the more passive approach we ensue. The perceivers are even more passive and less confrontational.

Simply, they enjoy the presence of another who allows them to extrovert without confrontation.

They gain energy from the ability to extrovert and without the side affect of conflict.
Instead the conflict resides in the introvert sucking him internally. The introvert feels that he needs time to deal with these feelings and thoughts that are being extraverted into him. He seeks refuge in solitude in order to deal with those things without further conflicts.

 

[not]

You almost understand us introverts. It is not that we seek solitude to contemplate the thoughts and ideas of extroverts, but that while we are processing and understanding the thoughts of extroverts, extroverts are quite literally tapping into our energy field. At the most fundamental level introverts are like batteries to extroverts. It is almost like extroverts use intellect to gain physical proximity to an introvert. It is a clever trick my friend but I see what you're trying to do. I'm on to you man!

 

[Jennywocky]

I think someone was watching The Matrix again....

 

[Brontosaurie]

have you noticed people often expect stuff from you without explicitly stating it, and not seldom without even being aware of it themselves?

that's weird.

 

[Grayman]

You almost understand us introverts.

Yah, I am not exactly sure of my extrovertedness at this point. I am certain that I grew up an extreme introvert. I tested 100% as an introvert but a month ago but I am unsure of the results. I view myself as an extrovert regardless of what I tested. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[Jennywocky]

Yah, I am not exactly sure of my extrovertedness at this point. I am certain that I grew up an extreme introvert. I tested 100% as an introvert but a month ago but I am unsure of the results. I view myself as an extrovert regardless of what I tested. Maybe I am wrong.

It would be interesting to see you IRL.

You don't really seem to lead with Ne here, tbh. The focus would be on the loose connection between ideas and springboarding among them, via rational tethers. You seem to be a more methodical thinker even compared to other members and not prone to leaping out into space from cloud to cloud.

 

[not]

Grayman I really don't intuit that you are an ENTP. You can test whether or not you are an introvert by putting yourself out into a crowd of people. Forget the social dynamics, meanings and focus on the physical, how do you feel standing in this crowd? Do you feel like you are being drained or being energized?

 

[not]

I think someone was watching The Matrix again....

I did rewatch the entire Matrix saga a few weeks ago. Interestingly, my take on it was that too much of one or the other function, logic and reasoning over feeling for example, extrovert over introvert, etc. creates an imbalance in the world. It was not until Neo merged with the god machine that balance was created. Pure intuition merged with pure logic and reasoning, the ability to derive energy from without or to create it within, etc...

 

[Jennywocky]

The sense of "system imbalance" was definitely interesting.

Spoiler

The One signifies "free will," which inevitably leads to chaos and system breakdown as more and more people will eventually make choices that degrade the system.

By choosing to not reboot the system so as to not lose the people he cared about, Neo inadvertently damns the system to destruction. (All the past One's had chosen to reboot.)

Preceding Neo's choice is of course the accidental creation of the Smith virus which essentially replicates itself throughout the system until it overwrites the all the buffers of the Matrix, leaving the system non-functional.

But the system itself still possesses an order in its basic architecture. Neo and Smith are two sides of the same coin. Neo's choice contradicts the essential truth that a coin cannot have just one side; whatever happens to Neo also happens to Smith. Smith cannot overwrite Neo without destroying himself in the process. The basic balance of the system results in the termination of the Smith threat, although it is visualized as Smith getting Norton-ized (so to speak) by the literal Deus Ex Machina.

Neo's path to truth, on the most basic level, resides in accepting the natural cycle of life (birth-> growth -> decline -> death -> conception -> birth -> etc). Inherent in the definition of life itself is death, and death paves the way to future life.

Smith's cancerous behavior is an attempt at death-avoidance, resulting in a grotesquery of life; but ironically so is Neo's attempt to thwart the natural cycle.

However, all isn't in vain, as his refusal to terminate in Reloaded does allow his friends to survive + a new set of circumstances arise, where the Machines and Humans aren't necessarily at odds as in the past.

 

[Grayman]

Grayman I really don't intuit that you are an ENTP. You can test whether or not you are an introvert by putting yourself out into a crowd of people. Forget the social dynamics, meanings and focus on the physical, how do you feel standing in this crowd? Do you feel like you are being drained or being energized?

The best I can describe in a crowd of people is irritated. I have issues with close proximity and most of all people who step in front of you and are oblivious to others and could care less. I myself in mostly oblivious to my souroundings but I make an effort to not trample people and I feel they should do the same.

If I used the energy description you have presented...
I don't pull much energy from others, although we all need some, and I don't feel that they do the same. I can fill their resevoir if I choose but it is often when I decide it would be put to good use. Unhealthy, forcefull, drawing on my energy is unacceptable. I do not need to withdraw from the extroverts because I know how to replenish as I give. I don't view everyone as sucking or drawing but both. Some just do one or the other more often. I believe we would all do well to give as much as we take from eachother. By default, in my youth, I am drawn upon. When I was younger people always wanted me around even though I wanted to be by myself. I have moved since and I have never taken it upon myself to make any friends but maybe one or two. I am not drawn to people because my energy is self fulfilling...for the most part. Some recycled energy from one to the other person and back is a requirement for full replenishing of all people.

 

[ZenRaiden]

You almost understand us introverts. It is not that we seek solitude to contemplate the thoughts and ideas of extroverts, but that while we are processing and understanding the thoughts of extroverts, extroverts are quite literally tapping into our energy field. At the most fundamental level introverts are like batteries to extroverts. It is almost like extroverts use intellect to gain physical proximity to an introvert. It is a clever trick my friend but I see what you're trying to do. I'm on to you man!

Probably not as paranoid as you are about it. But I have to agree. I spend few weeks in one room with a guy who was almost 90 percent extrovert. It was always an avalanche of jokes and everything. There was never a quiet moment with him and he kept talking to people repeating stuff he already said. Sort of like when I was young and had nothing on my mind. After few days I got angry at him.
He always wanted a reaction and frankly I had none left. There was not much to talk about anyhow since it was psych ward and we were stuck there. He basically froze my brain and amplified the depression I had. It was not so bad, but I would give him a dollar if he only shut the fuck up for some time. Not complaining, but its horrid to be with someone like that stuck in one room. There is never a quiet moment. Always seeking attention. I know its the way the guys brain was programmed since childhood so I was not really angry at him, but that much since its natural to talk about nothing for extroverts.
But yeah, A DRAG it was!