By this I mean, you feel like everything is pretty damn good in your life and for once you feel fulfilled. You don't need anyone else to complete and your satisfied with yourself. Are you ever truly happy for an extended period of time? Is that ever true for anyone?
What it comes down to is how you define 'happiness.' If your 'happiness' is by the literal emotion, or constant giddiness, and you're saying an extended period of time, no that is unrealistic.
'Happiness,' the term itself has been overused and oversold, you can 'chase' it all you want.
My definition of 'my' happiness would be when I'm 'content for an extended period of time' and things are going well. But chasing "permanent extended and constant happiness is unrealistic.
I usually don't chase "happiness." Like when your significant other makes you "happy," and you enjoy being around them etc, it's not the same happiness.
It's all opinion, and a little bit of semantics anyway.
I don't think it varies too much between type tbh, although I do think EPs are generally the happiest since they have this compulsion to be out trying new stuff all the time
I don't think it varies too much between type tbh, although I do think EPs are generally the happiest since they have this compulsion to be out trying new stuff all the time
As much as I would just like to accept this compliment, it's unjust.
Doing new stuff =/= happiness. (lulz Ne joke)
Happiness == doing what makes you happy
So if a certain 'type' of person is more content on staying inside and doing other stuff as opposed to doing other things, then they can be just as happy.
There's degrees of fulfillment. Complete Satori is unlikely and undesirable in my opinion, but greater than 50% isn't too hard to find. I've posted about this on the Ask Architect thread.
Find a purpose that relates to your first two functions
Push distractions away
Structure your life around it
Sounds simple but takes focus and a bit of discipline.
There's degrees of fulfillment. Complete Satori is unlikely and undesirable in my opinion, but greater than 50% isn't too hard to find. I've posted about this on the Ask Architect thread.
Find a purpose that relates to your first two functions
Push distractions away
Structure your life around it
Sounds simple but takes focus and a bit of discipline.
Hmm, I don't think so. S types, ESXX in particular seem the most content. Why not? Their life purpose is obvious and laid out from birth. The world is ready made for them. I think this is why NPs are so anxious and like typology.
But your form of being succinct = far preferable to the INTJs form, lols their Ni is way more annoying than your Fe in terms of being...short. The Ti explains so much more, where as the Ni just...leaps.
Hmm, I don't think so. S types, ESXX in particular seem the most content. Why not? Their life purpose is obvious and laid out from birth. The world is ready made for them. I think this is why NPs are so anxious and like typology.
Mmm...this would make for such an interesting topic of conversation...
Won't disagree with "Their life purpose is obvious and laid out from birth," but ah being on the other side of this, what fun is that
Don't mean to use any negative connotations, because they can shine too, but meh, of course 'too shallow' for certain standards
S types generally shy away from being "too serious", like it's an embarrassing behavior. It probably is for modern Americans. Old school Germans like being serious though so maybe it's societal rather than type based, and SJs like to act like everybody else. SPs just want to have fun of course.
S types generally shy away from being "too serious", like it's an embarrassing behavior. It probably is for modern Americans. Old school Germans like being serious though so maybe it's societal rather than type based
Ahahahah...idk if you read the er...not an 'argument,' but talk that Proxy and I had over Europe and America (not an argument, bc we were on different pages), but oh this sounds like my favoritism towards the 'intellectual superiority' (could be tied into culture) of Europe...
Literal conformist, some irony in that it's because of Si-dom, well guess what ENTPs inferior is...(I think it was personality Junkie that made the...sort of joke...: "ENTPs probably hate any form of conforming because they hate their inferior Si"
I can not deny this.
No, thank you hahah, honestly it's too great to not be in a .sig
This:
this (is another bullshit Ne theory) and only half-baked so don't take it too seriously:
I've been thinking, Any society needs a majority of S.
SJs - conforming, you sort of need any majority of a society to be able to conform to something (not necessarily agree, but conform) in order to last.
SPs - not nearly as stringent as the SJs, but they're good for a little higher level of tinkering (Engineers, surgeons etc)
You can not have an entire society of INTPs and ENTPs (under inferior/inept leadership and without intellectualness, anyway, but seeing as that's not a current possibility anytime soon, so under current and past standards)
ENTPs refusal to conform
INTPs massively inferior Fe
I'm not toting on our types, just an interesting thought:
If the types are indeed caused by hormones, then it comes from genes as well, well then if you go anthropology/biology wise, the very genes know that you can not have a larger number/inordinate number of certain types, so it makes them...less...
er that could have been summed up as a pundent Sq with just N being less dominant than S type genes and etc...
I believe that you're "truly happy" if the good things in your life outweigh the bad things in your life, if you feel like that is true then I think you could label yourself as happy if you'd like to. This kind of happiness is attainable.
I'm not sure if the kind of happiness that I think that you're referring to, the sunshine and rainbows and rolling around in meadows happiness, exists, at least not for INTP's. For you to achieve that kind of happiness you have to ignore the bad things in life, live in total bliss. I know some very optimistic and on the religious/spiritual side people that seem to be experiencing that kind of happiness. I don't understand it, though, and will probably never feel it.
Edit: Not sure if you should take my opinion on happiness to heart, since I apparently suffer from clinical depression. Also, I'm just 17, what do I know?
I think I am not ever going to be truly content with life itself. I kind of loathe the fact that I exist. In a sense I have to deal with it though and pursue what can take that thought away. Every once in a while that "desire for non-existence" gets ignored and there are no big issues in my life so I am able to enjoy a peaceful lifestyle and a temporary happiness. Problem is that everything changes with time. Oh.....and the only ways I know to ignore that desire for non-existence are getting into enjoyable relationships and pursuing the things I can use to escape from reality (hobbies/interest/coping device). Knowing me I'll end up pursuing my interest before engaging in a relationship, but then again I am just a "kid". I can't pursue my interest until I am able to get a job, which isn't so easy in this day and age.
If you ask me it's all a conspiracy. We are just a bunch of hamsters in a cage constructed by the higher ups to keep order. Don't you guys want OUT??????
I enjoy times of happiness but they are only fleeting. For some reason, I like it that way. Finding means to obtain happiness is engaging and fun, but I also like to go to the other emotions to appreciate happiness even more.
I don't want to live in complete bliss like the Lotus eaters of the Odyssey. I'll probably die when that happens.
I found that when I'm single, and my Fe isn't looking around at everyone in happy relationships, then I feel content. Work has to be good, friends have to be good and I have to be indulging in my hobbies or a new interest. I love being single as I'm generally content and happy, and feel free.
In a relationship, I tend to feel bi-polar. All the highs feel incredible, but then the lows make me feel like it's not worth it. But yes, there's a time when I feel happy.
Hopefully most people don't. (As in, yes I'm satisfied)
I'm going to really have to break this down:
What it comes down to is how you define 'happiness.' If your 'happiness' is by the literal emotion, or constant giddiness, and you're saying an extended period of time, no that is unrealistic.
'Happiness,' the term itself has been overused and oversold, you can 'chase' it all you want.
My definition of 'my' happiness would be when I'm 'content for an extended period of time' and things are going well. But chasing "permanent extended and constant happiness is unrealistic.
I usually don't chase "happiness." Like when your significant other makes you "happy," and you enjoy being around them etc, it's not the same happiness.
It's all opinion, and a little bit of semantics anyway.
I myself do not really find myself depressed. What some INTPs have going for them is that they come up with their own problems to solve so they don't get bored. Some INTPs care less about material stuff so they do not get jealous which is a cause to unhappiness for many people.
One is an electrical engineer about to get married to a nurse who I think is INFJ. He is two years older than me and is a 1st cousin. He's always seemed like a really happy person but he has had spells of serious unhappiness that have clear external causes (in his youth etc). Not open to intervention (his mother is a Te type.) I would rate this individual as very happy and not desiring a lot of change at this time. What do I know?
The other has been a friend for years and has been driven by material wealth his entire life. He acquires his wealth in noble ways (yes yes) so at times has been arrogant about it but he has outgrown that now. In many ways, he is nothing like my cousin, but this is only because he's chosen the path of the wealthy businessman with a ton of connections and money and material goods overflowing from every orifice (his "visions") -- and has left the quiet programmer behind. He is also a happy person. This is a recent development in his life and I believe it contributes largely to his maturity and stability. What do I know??
The other has been a friend for years and has been driven by material wealth his entire life. He acquires his wealth in noble ways (yes yes) so at times has been arrogant about it but he has outgrown that now. In many ways, he is nothing like my cousin, but this is only because he's chosen the path of the wealthy businessman with a ton of connections and money and material goods overflowing from every orifice (his "visions") -- and has left the quiet programmer behind. He is also a happy person. This is a recent development in his life and I believe it contributes largely to his maturity and stability. What do I know??
It would be curious to find an INTP so driven for material wealth that they'd be willing to trade psychic energy (connected businessman) in exchange for it. An INTP would be more likely to acquire enough wealth then live a frugal, free life on it.
I don't know your friend but this almost sounds more like an ISTP programmer turned businessman. The Se is attracted to wealth much more than the physically spare INTP.
Money buys me freedom, plain and simple. Freedom to buy the things I want a need (not a large list, mainly electronic tools and a basic household) and the freedom from having to have a paycheck.
I don't know your friend but this almost sounds more like an ISTP programmer turned businessman. The Se is attracted to wealth much more than the physically spare INTP.
Was there anything in particular that made you not want to go that route? Seems like a common desire for a lot of programmers/engineers. I am assuming you like dealing with the technical aspects more.
On topic : As others have said, permanent status of euphoria / rush? No. It's easy enough to maintain a feeling of contentness 80% of the time. Whenever i'm not, i'll usually write it off me. (Sometimes on here, mostly to people I truly trust)
A rush of euphoria isn't constant, but it shouldn't be. Generally speaking, periods of complete happiness and feeling very fulfilled, happy to be alive and... lucky(?) seem to happen from time to time aswell.
S types, ESXX in particular seem the most content. Why not? Their life purpose is obvious and laid out from birth. The world is ready made for them. I think this is why NPs are so anxious and like typology.
I see what you mean, and I think their happiness is most obvious and on display, but whenever something goes wrong, they seem to break down easily too. Stress for silly exams or marks, etc.
Was there anything in particular that made you not want to go that route? Seems like a common desire for a lot of programmers/engineers. I am assuming you like dealing with the technical aspects more.
Psychically draining. I love the idea of entrepreneuring but am having difficulty getting that off the ground. I've definitely decided however that I'm not interested in getting VC money and starting a company. That would be more Te systems building modulated by Se and working with people rather than Ti-Ne systems analysis and creation.
It would be curious to find an INTP so driven for material wealth that they'd be willing to trade psychic energy (connected businessman) in exchange for it. An INTP would be more likely to acquire enough wealth then live a frugal, free life on it.
I don't know your friend but this almost sounds more like an ISTP programmer turned businessman. The Se is attracted to wealth much more than the physically spare INTP.
The next set of information about this individual might change your mind back:
Yesterday the 3 of us (myself, him (K.) and our INTJ (A.) friend) went on a hike to the river where there is a secluded area for mischief and relaxation.
While A. is actually dominant N, he indulges the Se inferior in a way that you're probably quite familiar with. When binging on alcohol, he is basically ESFP.
More to the point -- he has at least been able to learn how to use a slingshot.
The "other" person, the "special" person, basically refuses to even listen to how to use the slingshot. Wants to try only his own way. Blanks out when we try to describe the kinesthetics (sp.?) of the task. So of course we leave him alone with it.
-- apparently unable / completely unwilling to even observe proper technique and make a single attempt to copy it with an open mind -- same goes for throwing a ball --
Imagine the most ridiculous slingshot technique possible. Most ridiculous possible. He had to do it his own way that he just invented, probably a misinterpretation of a long stored away (Si-style) memory from a movie he saw long ago - who the hell knows?
After about ten minutes of us firing rocks 200+ yards at birds (while he flimsily shot berries at my dog) - he's bored. He whines , wahhh I'm bored.
I had even suggested to him that he's free to tell us all about life in Fort McMurray while we indulge the Se habit a little, but he's more prone to talking about his busy life while one is unable to pay attention to him, like say, when somebody else is talking.
The above examples are typical of his behavior to the point where they exemplify his entire personality, this I testify.
I'm sure you're ready for this story to end (as he so often is as well). Bored? Spoiler for more.
Note how I never even touched on the money subject. I probably misrepresented his goals before,... ehh, let's say he's more into endless travel and business connections, he's into buying condos and renting them out for profit. He wants to set his life up so he can do whatever he wants, but as far as I know he's never ever spoke of wanting family or an early settle-down.
His dreams of material wealth that I spoke of is really more like real estate, nice cars (which he really only just wants to lease), stuff like that. To the outside, it really just looks like he wants to accumulate wealth, but if you dig a little deeper, you get to the reality of the situation, which you have basically posted in this thread.
Money buys me freedom, plain and simple. Freedom to buy the things I want a need (not a large list, mainly electronic tools and a basic household) and the freedom from having to have a paycheck.
The more money you have the more freedom you have? So the secret is to find work that you take pleasure in? You seem to tell us semi-regularly that you are a very busy man with money and work, but you enjoy it ya? My friend is the same way. He spent the remainder of his visit on his phone looking at boats haha. Until I shot him with a paintball, then he left. (after he observed a slingshot fight in the front yard for fifteen minutes he was drug into it against his will, o what a crime it was!)
You exclude far too many people with a simple wave of your hand. Do you see it in "a different way" though?
Why wouldn't an intuitive see "freedom" as a concept and a sensor see "freedom" as something one can readily experience? Doesn't that make more sense? Or is it too basic and plain?
If my reasoning reached a higher level I might look around and think about how I will never be free and never have been.
or I have always been free and the only restrictions are self-imposed.
Self-reliance, otoh, I can't disagree with you on that. The facts speak for themselves. Sorry, I got hung up on freedom as a concept vs. freedom as reality.
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