Are all INTPs' very intelligent?

[Gabby21924]

Whenever I do the Myers-Brigs test I always get INTP. It describes me pretty well except their high intelligence seems to be a big part of it. I'm not that smart, I'm actually pretty dense so idk how I keep getting INTP.

 

[Minuend]

Maybe not, but I guess their thinking is prone to reflect on things in which they might seem smarter (more knowledgeable) than someone dumber than them, so to speak. I mean, if you consider intelligence abilities to reason and to the degree which you understand something or so. If you don't utilize these abilities, but engage in fluff, less people will see/ understand your intelligence. While someone a bit dafter will come across as smart if he's knowledgeable and ask a few questions people take for granted or don't care about asking.

People tend to look for "exterior" signs when considering intelligence, instead of considering what actually happens inside a persons mind and trying to map out how much and how a person understand something and how much brainpower that requires ("interior" signs), so to speak. So if, for example, you're interested in science and read a lot, you'll be easily defaulted to smarter than someone interested in makeup and clothes. But in reality you can't really tell who's smarter from that when it comes to the individual. Some people tend to get overestimated, others underestimated based on such "exterior" signs.

I guess it's possible that the INTP thinking is more prone to develop the thinking resources they have, though, which will make them as a group a bit more smarter than those who tend to engage in fluff and never develop their potential to full

Tldr, you don't need to be smart to be INTP.

 

[pjoa09]

I am a retard tho

 

[Architect]

Having a type means you're motivated to behave in particular ways. For INTP's we are motivated to spend most of our time thinking and speculating. The INTJ's are similar in that they speculate and think. So, as an INTP thinks and speculates, especially if they do it productively (rather than idly) in consequence they'll become more intelligent.

They can also be quite dense. In particular INTP's can develop "Si blind spots". Having analyzed or experienced something they can consider it settled, and not open themselves to new possibilities on the subject, this leaves them somewhat stupid at times - but only in particular topics. For example an INTP friend of mine who is an engineer can't see the leaps and advances we've made in voice recognition. This is because he used it years ago and found how bad it is, so rather than looking at how it is now, he sticks to the idea that it sucks and is a really hard problem (it is a hard problem and one we've made tremendous progress in). Frustrating for me as he's so bull headed in being wrong, but otherwise so intelligent.

 

[Tannhauser]

If epistemic arrogance is a form of ignorance, then intelligence is as rare amongst INTPs as any other group.

 

[Yellow]

No. Though many of us are intellectually curious, which increases the chances that we'll test well.

 

[Mr. Altitude]

I like to differentiate between intelligence and smartness. Intelligence is the ability to comprehend very complicated and/or theoretical concepts, while being smart is knowing lots of things. I think (I could be wrong, what do I know?) that INTPs tend toward being both intelligent and smart, but being smart is more optional than intelligent.

 

[Jake54321]

Not Necessarily, the focus of typology is on one's preference in how one processes the world and not on how well one processes the world.
While I believe it would be false to say that there is no correlation between type and intelligence, the correlation would be in the form of averages. So while INTPs might on average have a higher level of intelligence than ESFPs, there would still be ESFPs who are more intelligent than INTPs and vica-versa.

 

[Black Rose]

Are all INTPs' very intelligent?

bell curve

 

[Turnevies]

I think it is even hard to compare the intelligences of different types. I, and I think most 'intelligent' INTP's, are especially good in grasping abstract concepts after some time and conceptualizing about them. I 've known a gifted sensor from school who was allowed to skip a year and she went to med school. She is good in learning efficiently and retaining much, much better than me also. On the other hand, she doesn't show the same 'deepness' of thought.

I think the INTP'ness allows for special tools introverted thinking and extraverted intuition; they are not per se increasing allround intelligence, but I believe with the proper training, you can use them to make better decisions and stuff regardless of the overall intelligence.
I have to admit this idea was not very scientific of me, though.

 

[Tannhauser]

bell curve

With same mean and variance as rest of the population?

 

[Black Rose]

With same mean and variance as rest of the population?

the population of all INTP's being intelligent relative to all other INTP's

 

[Tannhauser]

the population of all INTP's being intelligent relative to all other INTP's

Not sure what you mean. I assume you meant intelligence amongst INTPs is distributed according to a bell curve. Question is – does it have the same shape as for non-INTPs (and is centered at the same mean).

 

[Reluctantly]

Sure, let's say they are.

 

[Procinogen]

I don't really think we're smart, per say. I think we come off as smart due to the fact that we're very curious, ask questions, ect. But due to that we usually gain a lot of knowledge, allowing us to answer and know a lot of stuff most people don't/can't.

 

[Pyropyro]

I found this journal article entitled "Intelligence in Relation to Jung's Personality Types"

The article's hypotheses in the discussion section states:

* higher intuition, higher intelligence
* higher perceiving, higher intelligence
* higher thinking, higher score in intelligence tests
* Introverts scored higher in the tests

caveat:
* This study is 11-years old
* I'm not a psychology graduate and might have interpreted the article poorly
* Sample size was in total, 4547 samples
* The article aims to implore to occupational psychologists to look into MBTI traits when it comes to selection, training and promotion purposes.

 

[QuickTwist]

Having a type means you're motivated to behave in particular ways. For INTP's we are motivated to spend most of our time thinking and speculating. The INTJ's are similar in that they speculate and think. So, as an INTP thinks and speculates, especially if they do it productively (rather than idly) in consequence they'll become more intelligent.

They can also be quite dense. In particular INTP's can develop "Si blind spots". Having analyzed or experienced something they can consider it settled, and not open themselves to new possibilities on the subject, this leaves them somewhat stupid at times - but only in particular topics. For example an INTP friend of mine who is an engineer can't see the leaps and advances we've made in voice recognition. This is because he used it years ago and found how bad it is, so rather than looking at how it is now, he sticks to the idea that it sucks and is a really hard problem (it is a hard problem and one we've made tremendous progress in). Frustrating for me as he's so bull headed in being wrong, but otherwise so intelligent.

I'd imagine some of that is Ti as well. Internal judgers have a more natural affinity to act like they have a stick up their ass. Compare that to an Ne dom and its a world of difference.

I should prolly expand on that a bit. The Ti and Fi doms are the ones who essentially make up a system for how they conduct themselves. Its not at all that they actually have a stick up their butt but its more that the way they perceive things is hinging on so many other things that relate to the subject or idea in question. They are just perceived that way. Their system is a bit rigid if you will. But giving rise to Ne or Se it spins it in a way where the information taken in is based on real concepts or real observations.

 

[Tannhauser]

I found this journal article entitled "Intelligence in Relation to Jung's Personality Types"

The article's hypotheses in the discussion section states:

* higher intuition, higher intelligence
* higher perceiving, higher intelligence
* higher thinking, higher score in intelligence tests
* Introverts scored higher in the tests

caveat:
* This study is 11-years old
* I'm not a psychology graduate and might have interpreted the article poorly
* Sample size was in total, 4547 samples
* The article aims to implore to occupational psychologists to look into MBTI traits when it comes to selection, training and promotion purposes.

They basically found that it's awesome to be INTP, at 0.001 significance level.

Nuff said.

 

[Architect]

I'd imagine some of that is Ti as well. Internal judgers have a more natural affinity to act like they have a stick up their ass. Compare that to an Ne dom and its a world of difference.

Good insight.

 

[QuickTwist]

Good insight.

Yeah, but the Ne in the INTP is open to possibilities too so they are not always hard pressed to be as stuck up as some people think they are.

IMO its the Ne the brings the INTP back to a kind of recompense for their weaknesses.

 

[Architect]

Yeah, but the Ne in the INTP is open to possibilities too so they are not always hard pressed to be as stuck up as some people think they are.

IMO its the Ne the brings the INTP back to a kind of recompense for their weaknesses.

yeah, that's the case most of the time in my experience. But I see it as more of a 'Si trap' than a judging dominant thing in this case, with his insistence on the past. Seems to be a problem that engineering type INTP's can particularly suffer from.

 

[Joe13414]

I'm not super smart, I only know about things I care about, others, I have no clue about.

 

[The Meowtrix-Za Boha]

Having analyzed or experienced something they can consider it settled, and not open themselves to new possibilities

Sounds more like INTJ. Maybe his P wasn't very strong (the 3rd grader in me is giggling like mad), because I rarely feel like I'm ever settled on something; political views are the closest I get to it.
To answer the intelligence question, I'm the only INTP I know, so I can't give you a well-educated answer, but people tell me all the time that I'm a genius, and I guess I am pretty smart. Not sure if that helps, but it's all I got.
Maybe the analytical behavior comes off as intelligence?

 

[The Meowtrix-Za Boha]

I only know about things I care about, others, I have no clue about.

I think that describes everyone.

 

[Haim]

"Smart" is just a tool, so you have a freaking sword, what are you going to do with it?
Personely in term of just the tool, I don't think I can compare to some of the people with the best tools in the population, in term of raw flops.Sure I am far cry from the average person, still to some extent the tool user has more significant than the tool itself.Much more important is how much I am genius, how do I use my tool, what I do with it, what do I reserch, the problems/questions I find.

 

[bvanevery]

I found this journal article entitled "Intelligence in Relation to Jung's Personality Types"

Individual Differences Research, the journal in which the article appears, is claimed to be peer reviewed, but is not widely cited.