Are all INTP's smart

[Sinny91]

I am jealous we have a heatwave incoming here in Sweden

No need to be jealous, we're all immobilised over here.
The only good thing about my circumstances in being able to go hide in the walk-in work freezer lol.

 

[Seteleechete]

Personal opinion I highly dislike heat and would much prefer a storm.

 

[Sinny91]

Ditto on that.

 

[dark+matters]

Don't worry dark plus matters. You can think of me as being smarter than you think of me. I am smarter than I actually am.

I will? I won't. You do? Wait, you are? I will the next time, I promise. I know you work hard, and your efforts haven't gone unnoticed. I'm sure there's going to be a promotion in it one day. In the meantime, it's good experience, you get to meet new people, and you can always have the stamps made yourself and use them to send real letters.

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What did I just agree to do and when does it need to get done?

 

[Black Rose]

You will meet your own expectations of understanding how others understand themselves realizing they may acced their best and not be disappointed that others don't. I just wanted to make you feel better with a win win rather than where everyone loses.

 

[dark+matters]

You will meet your own expectations of understanding how others understand themselves realizing they may acced their best and not be disappointed that others don't. I just wanted to make you feel better with a win win rather than where everyone loses.

Hee, hee, hee.

Me: monkey.
Kitty: Animekitty

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[Brontosaurie]

No, but maybe all intps are curious?
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in the midst of my dense thesaurusing i forgot the most important word, how shameful

 

[RicBC]

Being smart is related to Se which in turn feeds Te. INTP lacks this a lot as he is busy with Si past information which leads to miss details of the immediate physical reality around him, making him idiotic.

Intelligence is one thing being smart requires little intelligence.

 

[Seteleechete]

Being smart is related to Se which in turn feeds Te. INTP lacks this a lot as he is busy with Si past information which leads to miss details of the immediate physical reality around him, making him idiotic.

Intelligence is one thing being smart requires little intelligence.

I think a important point can be found from this, the different types would be smart at different things, the same way they are good at different roles.

 

[Sabreena]

I noticed a good amount of INTP's here say they hated school, and they didn't do well. I was the same up to a certain point. For unknown reasons, I started seeing the tests and exams as a really fun challenging game with a scoring system. This correlated to rewarding grades. Did my intelligence get a boost, somehow?

It's more than likely that having increased motivaation would lead to higher inteligence. The more you use your brain, the sharper it gets. And because of self-fulfilling prophecy, being percieved as more intelligent will lead to you actually getting more attention and leeway in your schoolwork. (There's a study which I am forgetting the name of where they randomly picked students out of a hat, told their teachers which ones were "smart" and at the end of the year, this group scored higher than the control group on the same test.)

I experienced kind of the revese of what you did. For the majority of my life, I liked schoolwork. It was a game, something to occupy my mind. The only problems I had were social. At 14, i started to get disillusioned with the system and lost interest. Now here I am five years later, failing college, and not wanting to go back next semester for lack of money.

So much for being a "smart" kid. I think the concept of intelligence as an inherent trait rather than a thing you have to develop is deeply flawed. It hurts kids on both ends of the spectrum. It's sad how much depends on silly percentages on a card.

Maybe school is optimal for J (specifically SJ) types rather than P? Because of all the deadlines and arbitrary rules to follow?

 

[Sir Eus Lee]

Maybe school is optimal for J (specifically SJ) types rather than P? Because of all the deadlines and arbitrary rules to follow?

SJs have Si, which takes time to learn concepts and then use them, but when it does it does so very accurately, and the same way it took them in. The ISTJ is the type who exemplifies learning something by doing it several times and then regurgitating it. Types with Se (SPs) follow this too, but its not the same learning as SJs. ESFJ, ISFJ, ISTJ, ESTJ have Si, some other types have Se.

My friend who's an ISTJ can memorize anything after only a couple glances. Once, in class, he had to memorize a shakespearian soliloquy, and was the only one to memorize the entire thing before the end of class.

I think the problem is that types that actually have the brainpower to understand rather than regurgitate are stuck with everybody else who can't understand it/dont have the aptitude for it and have to memorize it, so it's not that they didn't start trying, its that school went too slow and consequently they hate that they already know how to do it and school forces them to wait until the next concept.

The SJs that learn this way are also the SJs that make the system work, so INTPs and other types probably have trouble with this. Had learning started differently with a progress at your own pace style for those who are able, education could likely accelerate every IXTP and type that was made to learn. Sadly this isn't the case, it slows down the pace, and this makes smart types hate the system.

(Although some early INTPs can be disconnected and therefor not try or be aware of the learning anyway. It depends. If they paid attention to it they could learn it though.)

Not just that, but other types like ISFPs and INFPs who have a low Tx on the stack also are fit into the memorization category even though they don't have a function that deals with internal memorization or thinking. They have Se, but again Se is another category than Si.

I don't think the rules or systems change how anybody enjoys learning, maybe ISTJs or ISFJs, but besides that its just a benefit for STJs and an annoyance for types like INTPs.

 

[marie]

I'm an INTP and I don't think I'm smart

 

[ZenRaiden]

You used the word all as if we know all INTPs. I am INTP, but I am far from knowing many INTPs. The ones I know online or in real life seem like they have some advantages and perhaps are deemed as smart people, but I am not sure all are. I dont think the usage of word smart is correct in this case simply because everyone from time to time is deemed as smart. Overall to be seen as smart individual one has to be good at something, be on time, make money, but not work so hard, invent something, learn something hard, be knowledgeable or something of that sorts. Sometimes they say high IQ people are smart, but thats also not a rule. I mean we do know that IQ doesnt always equate success like having job security or money which is many times seen as a smart thing. There are other things that might be seen as smart. Like not being addicted to crack. Or not being an alcoholic. There is a considerable amount of things that sensors think is stupid about intuitives. Sometimes intuitives have advantage, but many times you will be deemed as stupid.

 

[RicBC]

Maybe a smart INTP would be one that faces his fears.

Fears are created in the mind because of thinking, too much, about something. Sensors who are more physical immediately/easily reflect that inferiority back to INTP's, which creates traumas and suppression.

For a INTP, to be smart, is to discover within oneself ways to stop that cycle. Well that implies being self honest with one self which is something that, beneath all the layers of thinking, sometimes, is hard to happen .

Looking at sensors. It's much easier to see and know what they are thinking or feeling than when looking at a INTP. That is a big problem in relationships with others as relationships are based on that is here in the moment, not what happens unstructured inside a INTP's mind.