Anything is possible

xZero · Nov 16, 2013

I believe that ANYTHING, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, only limit is just our imagination and the way we think about it.

Psychic laws/limits are nothing. THERE IS NO LIMITS AND NO RULES WHICH CAN'T BE DISREGARDED.
I believe even time travel is possible.

What do you think about it?
Are am crazy because I believe in such "known as impossible" things?

redbaron · Nov 16, 2013

Is it possible to make a never-ending pancake?

xZero · Nov 16, 2013

Infinite Pancake? :eek:

Not sure, but there is an example written in PHP just for you:

PHP:

<?PHP
ob_start();
// Never ending pancake (Lang: PHP)
// Just for "redbaron" :)
// Numbers represent parts of pancake, basically this script will start counting and it will never stop if not stopped manually.

set_time_limit(0); // Script execution time limit is 0 (infinite)


// little function - start
function create_pancake($pnum = 0)
{
    if ($pnum < 1) {
        $pancake = "
<html>
<head>
<title>Infinite Pancake</title>
</head>
<body>
$pnum
";
    } else {
        $pancake = "$pnum";
        
    }
    return $pancake . "<br/>\n";
    
}
// little function - end


// Pre-set
$usleep = 200; // Script sleep time in miliseconds before outputing next part of pancake
$i[0]   = 0; // Count 
$i[1]   = 2; // Count to number



for ($i[0] = 0; $i[0] < $i[1]; $i[0]++) {
    ob_flush();
    flush();
    
    if (connection_status() != CONNECTION_NORMAL) // Prevent script for keep runing on user abort
        {
        break;
    }
    
    $i[1]++; // This one? That's infinity           
    echo create_pancake($i[0]);
    usleep($usleep); // Wait for n ms before continue
}

ob_end_clean(); // This part will be never reached anyway....
?>

The numbers represent parts of the pancake.
Basically, this script will count until it is not stopped manually.

So, there may be a way in real life, who knows.

Deleted member 1424 · Nov 16, 2013

I didn't know psychics had laws to abide.

What are they? No mindreading without probable cause?

kantor1003 · Nov 16, 2013

Can 2+2 ever be 5? Can you become the queen of England? Can what is be what is not? Can you create a squared circle? You see, some things are impossible by definition.

But I like your optimism

Instead of anything is possible, perhaps you rather mean many-a-thing is possible? And you certainly would be right in saying that.

Nah, your not crazy, but if you somehow manage to become the queen of England, I would recommend for you to go see someone.

Ex-User (8886) · Nov 16, 2013

Everything is possible, but not everything is worth effort.

xZero · Nov 16, 2013

kantor1003 said:
Can 2+2 ever be 5? Can you become the queen of England? Can what is be what is not? Can you create a squared circle? You see, some things are impossible by definition.

But I like your optimism Instead of anything is possible, perhaps you rather mean many-a-thing is possible? And you certainly would be right in saying that.

Nah, your not crazy, but if you somehow manage to become the queen of England, I would recommend for you to go see someone.

You are right, "many-a-thing is possible" is more possible than anything.
Sometimes I think, but for some reason I forgot simple things as you mentioned...

But from other side, ANYTHING is possible.
Yes, 2+2 can be 5. Why not? Let's just say 2+2=4+1=5 and we done something impossible.

And your last, has made me laught. :king-twitter:

Really, you made my day.

Manipulator said:
Everything is possible, but not everything is worth effort.

Definitely.

BigApplePi · Nov 16, 2013

To make anything possible:

1. Allow for imagination.
2. Allow for contradictions by dismissing linear order.
3. Relax the rigidity of definitions.
4. When it gets difficult, bring in God.
5. Ask an INTP how to work it out.
6. Believe it can be done and then bring in Walt Disney.
7. Worry if you get stuck.

redbaron · Nov 16, 2013

xZero said:
Sometimes I think

Well I suppose it's a start - it's probably better than not thinking at all.

Grayman · Nov 16, 2013

xZero said:
...

Even though such types of thinking give you the chance to rise beyond normal, they also can lead to impracticality. Best to gauge that all are possible but some are more probable.

kantor1003 · Nov 16, 2013

redbaron said:
Well I suppose it's a start - it's probably better than not thinking at all.

Is it?
You don't sound all that certain, redbaron. I wouldn't be either.

What causes thinking? Is it happiness, satisfaction, or, in general, things working out as they are supposed to? Or is it, rather, unhappiness, dissatisfaction, loneliness, and things not working out as they are supposed to? Is this a false dichotomy? (Why is the villain always the smart one (that is, one that thinks)? Isn't it because she doesn't consider herself beautiful enough, or that he doesn't consider himself virtuous enough no matter how much he'd like to?)
Aphorism: With thought, problem was brought into being.
Or is it: With problem, thought was brought into being.
Is there any problem separate from us? Say, if our earth suddenly would no longer sustain life, is that a real (as in considered separate from our thinking) problem?
And may I remind you, and myself, of Hume's fact value distinction (is ought etc.), or the standard issue of the percipience vs the persipi, or the phenomena vs the noumena, or subject vs object.

With regards to the topic at hand again. If what we think has any reality (and it does!), then we can grant a vast amount of possibilities, especially if thinking can be used to reframe experience (which, I believe, it can!). Perhaps I might even become the queen of england, though in a different sense. But the squared circle and other logical impossibilities we still cannot grant because, at least to my ability, I can't even comprehend them, or picture them in my mind. My imagined squared circle just turns out to be a continual passing from square to circle, and from circle to square, or both of them on top of each other, so it doesn't even get the reality of being in my mind. This, in contrast to some where being the queen of england takes on a reality by it existing in their mind.

BigApplePi · Nov 17, 2013

kantor1003 said:
What causes thinking?

What else would evolution do if things weren't working out the way you want?

Starcrossed · Nov 30, 2013

kantor1003 said:
Can 2+2 ever be 5?.

Start with: -20 = -20
Which is the same as: 16-36 = 25-45
Which can also be expressed as: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) = 52) 9 X 5
Add 81/4 to both sides: (2+2) 2 (9 X (2+2) + 81/4 = 52) 9 X 5 + 81/4
Rearrange the terms: ({2+2}) 9/2) 2 = (5-9/2) 2
Ergo: 2+2 - 9/2 = 5
Hence: 2 + 2 = 5

Starcrossed · Nov 30, 2013

build one of these

Brontosaurie · Nov 30, 2013

only one thing is possible but we don't know which one

Vrecknidj · Nov 30, 2013

It's even possible that not everything is possible.

Ex-User (9062) · Nov 30, 2013

Starcrossed said:
build one of these

done.

Starcrossed · Dec 1, 2013

Salmoneus said:
done.

Close enough :rolleyes:

Ex-User (9062) · Dec 1, 2013

Starcrossed said:
Close enough

It's an optical illusion.
I was going to build it in blender, but it has been ages since i last used it and the controls are just too fricking weird to get into again.
I have built it in my mind, that's the best i can do at the moment.

Starcrossed · Dec 1, 2013

Salmoneus said:
It's an optical illusion.
I was going to build it in blender, but it has been ages since i last used it and the controls are just too fricking weird to get into again.
I have built it in my mind, that's the best i can do at the moment.

well keep working at it... No great work of art was made over night

Ex-User (9062) · Dec 1, 2013

Starcrossed said:
well keep working at it... No great work of art was made over night

I pretty much threw the CG shebang out of the window.
Working on a computer drives me mad, because the haptics feel so weird.
I can't even play games for longer periods of time.

Starcrossed · Dec 2, 2013

Salmoneus said:
I pretty much threw the CG shebang out of the window.
Working on a computer drives me mad, because the haptics feel so weird.
I can't even play games for longer periods of time.

well draw it out then upload it...

I'm terrible when it comes to art (on and off the computer)

Ex-User (9062) · Dec 2, 2013

Starcrossed said:
well draw it out then upload it...

I'm terrible when it comes to art (on and off the computer)

I shall construct it out of butter and sawdust.
Might take a while, so, please be patient.

Starcrossed · Dec 2, 2013

Salmoneus said:
I shall construct it out of butter and sawdust.
Might take a while, so, please be patient.

I would have to draw out the blue prints (by me drawing I mean employ my artist sister to draw it for me based on my horrid sketch) first before I went straight to making the model or I would get too frustrated...

Ex-User (9062) · Dec 3, 2013

I have found the images i was looking for.
They illustrate exactly what i had in mind.

200px-Impossible_cube_illusion_angle.svg.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_cube

Ex-User (9086) · Dec 3, 2013

xZero said:
I believe that ANYTHING, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, only limit is just our imagination and the way we think about it.

Psychic laws/limits are nothing. THERE IS NO LIMITS AND NO RULES WHICH CAN'T BE DISREGARDED.
I believe even time travel is possible.

What do you think about it?
Are am crazy because I believe in such "known as impossible" things?

Well after you consider your standard 8 dimensions, you can easily say that anything is possible.

However, you are bound by your existence in 5 dimensions and you are not going to conceive anything beyond this anything that can ever appear possible to you.

There is always anything beyond your anything you are thinking about now.

This could lead to thinking that everything i can imagine is not anything that could exist from a perspective i as of now am unable to obtain.

Auburn · Dec 3, 2013

Vrecknidj said:
It's even possible that not everything is possible.

Wins thread ^

Ex-User (9086) · Dec 3, 2013

Vrecknidj said:
It's even possible that not everything is possible.

How clear, looking at our perspective, this is a perfect explanation of my take on this matter.

Starcrossed · Dec 4, 2013

Salmoneus said:
I have found the images i was looking for.
They illustrate exactly what i had in mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_cube

I like it! Just wonder what practical purpose it would/could have in the real world... great now I'll be on that one all night... now see what you did! thanks a lot!

Jake · Dec 4, 2013

xZero said:
I believe that ANYTHING, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, only limit is just our imagination and the way we think about it.

Psychic laws/limits are nothing. THERE IS NO LIMITS AND NO RULES WHICH CAN'T BE DISREGARDED.
I believe even time travel is possible.

What do you think about it?
Are am crazy because I believe in such "known as impossible" things?

Just remember that just because something is possible, doesn't necessarily mean it actually exists yet, has ever existed, or will ever exist (although the laws of probability indicate it will, if time is infinite, though we don't know that it is).

Forgetting this simple qualifier is what leads to religion.

Words · Dec 4, 2013

If anything is possible, then impossibles are possible. But anything is possible so impossibles are impossible. so anything is possible is impossible.

Starcrossed · Dec 5, 2013

Words said:
If anything is possible, then impossibles are possible. But anything is possible so impossibles are impossible. so anything is possible is impossible.

Anything can and is possible so long as it has a logical/systematic basis behind it... just saying it doesn't make it so... what is your logical/systematic basis behind your statement "impossibles are possible" if you can give some sort of ground to stand on with that then you have a rather interesting discussion on your hands.... one that I would be a fool to miss.

Jake · Dec 5, 2013

Starcrossed said:
Anything can and is possible so long as it has a logical/systematic basis behind it... just saying it doesn't make it so... what is your logical/systematic basis behind your statement "impossibles are possible" if you can give some sort of ground to stand on with that then you have a rather interesting discussion on your hands.... one that I would be a fool to miss.

I think you misunderstood his post. He was pointing out the logical contradiction behind the statement that anything is possible.

Words · Dec 5, 2013

Starcrossed said:
Anything can and is possible so long as it has a logical/systematic basis behind it... just saying it doesn't make it so... what is your logical/systematic basis behind your statement "impossibles are possible" if you can give some sort of ground to stand on with that then you have a rather interesting discussion on your hands.... one that I would be a fool to miss.

I meant that the state of impossibility is possible. Since the state of possibility is all we have, then the state of impossibility is impossible. Thus, the contradiction.

"If anything is possible, then the state of impossibility is possible...."

Starcrossed · Dec 5, 2013

Words said:
I meant that the state of impossibility is possible. Since the state of possibility is all we have, then the state of impossibility is impossible. Thus, the contradiction.

"If anything is possible, then the state of impossibility is possible...."

I think you might have yourself a paradox here... if anything is possible then wouldn't the state of impossibility be nonexistent? Therefore the state of impossibility would be impossible (to achieve)...

Ex-User (9086) · Dec 5, 2013

Starcrossed said:
I think you might have yourself a paradox here... if anything is possible then wouldn't the state of impossibility be nonexistent? Therefore the state of impossibility would be impossible (to achieve)...

Try to evaluate the statements.

If anything is possible.
anything-http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anything
Then any occurence of things is possible.

One of the possible occurencecs of things is that nothing is possible.

So we have a set anything, and empty set nothing.

In the set of anything we can have any number of empty sets.

This does not contradict the statement that anything is possible.

In the worst scenario, size of set anything is equal to nothing.

There is also a problem of a set containing a record of existing itself.

Starcrossed · Dec 5, 2013

"One of the possible occurrences of things is that nothing is possible."

For nothing to be possible the "one possible occurrence" (the one where nothing is possible) would be impossible... why? Because "nothing is possible".

Your scenario doesn't seem to correlate with your original statement... (correct me if I'm wrong but I'm referring to "nothing" as the exact opposite of "anything", you seem to be referring to "nothing" as an "absolute value" or "measurement" ). You seem to give "nothing" the same value/meaning as "empty" when in your scenario they need to have two separate and clearly defined definitions/values.

Ex-User (9086) · Dec 5, 2013

If we want to be purely logical and not rely on abstract information:
We would have to define all non logical operands in the expression

Words said:
I meant that the state of impossibility is possible. Since the state of possibility is all we have, then the state of impossibility is impossible. Thus, the contradiction.

"If anything is possible, then the state of impossibility is possible...."

[If, then] are syntax of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_conditional

[Is] equality
[Possible] true

True equals false [false]. Since true is true, then false is false
Since is undefined.
Constructed sentence is not logical and cannot be evaluated in terms of true or false.

In my version i also have not properly defined logical values.

This means that what i expressed cannot be evaluated logically.

This means it can be one: true or false.

If I see all expressions defined logically in the original then I will be able to come up with evaluation using logics.

Rook · Dec 6, 2013

xZero said:
Psychic laws/limits

"Thou shall not do a seance during the day"
"Thou shall always target the feeble minded"
"Thou doth not need to prove the existence of thou power"
"Thou shall not charge by the hour"
"Thou shall do everything to give false hope"
"Thou shall hide from scientists"

God has given man one true quality, and that is to jest. So we jest.
(Insomniatic)

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