giorgaros2
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First of all i will give you my definitions of Ne/Si as i see them .We can take that by seeing Si as the *memory function*.The Si function relies on facts/archetypes from memory and generaly organizes the world according to those facts/images/archetypes .
Example of me using Si: I have met so many people and typed them in real life , that as the time passed , i got better and better at typing people.The way i do it is by using Si.I have created 16 *images* in my memory of how each type should talk like , or how his eyes should be moving , or how expressive each type is and how eacy type generaly behaves.So when i see someone i havent type i generaly get a feeling , like an aura that helps me type that person.
So about Ne, here's how i define Ne: Ne is the ultimate data gathering function , it gathers facts all the time but doesnt care to take in stuff that exists in Si.So Ne gathers *new* stuff all the time.Very often Ne uses creativity to take info that aren't apparently there, as it wants to take everything in, but it has a weakness as it always ignores stuff that it already has seen (Si) , so Ne misses some new info that it could take from the environment that Se is very good at taking.
Summary: Ne takes *new* info in , Si stores it and uses it.
Now about Ti/Fe ,...well here i have some difficulty but let me give it a try,...
Ti: We all know what Ti is , its the ultimate logic function , it analyzes stuff and understands them and it also can chose the best logical decision from the data the use has been given (imo ISTPs are better at applying Ti in real life, INTP's are better at understanding a concept using Ti)
Fe: Its the outter harmony function , the main domain of Fe is manipulating the environment (most often social environment) so as to harmonise it.Fe users are generally very adept at manipulating a social environment and are generaly good with people.A good Fe user cares about the people around him and helps them as much as he can, a bad Fe user uses his social skills to manipulate people to achive his hidden primitive Ti goal.The way i see Fe is as weapon that can be used for good or for bad.
So how Ti/Fe can work with each other? That's difficult but i will try answering that.
Fe is a weapon so it needs someone to control it , that someone is Ti.Ti can control Fe using logic and channel it to achieve something greater/better.(most immature Fe users control their Fe using their repressed Fi , but only Ti can do the job correctly). Also Fe can be used to explain to other people the Ti understandings and teach them.
Ok so let me explain what i think about each alpha type:
INTP (Ti-Ne-Si-Fe):
So about INTP's ....they are very intelligent people , very introverted (the most introverted introvert , generally NTP's are more introverted than the other types for some unknown reason :P), they are the theories generators of the world , they take many info through Ne and then store it in Si.Then they super analyze it with Ti and create a special understanding or a solution or a theory.
Then they store their understanding in Si and they then super analyze it again using Si. That is the Ti-Si loop.But if they get stuck in too much Ti-Si their theories will stop being accurate and stop describing reality.The great weakness of most INTp's is that because of low Fe , they suck at expressing their theories or logic , either because they dont care , or because of low Fe which acts as a translator for Ti (using words people can understand ,captivating them etc)
ENTP (Ne-Ti-Fe-Si):
They come in all colours , but generally ENTP's are mistyped as INTP's because they are the most introverted extravert.They are very very clever and very fast thinkers.Many of them are good at debating and many of them are innovators and very cretive. The ENTP uses Ne as primary, so generally Ne users will have taken an extreme amount of info in.They will have trouble using Si though so they will have a difficulty in retrieving information at least consciously.Next they use Ti which analyzes stuff they have taken from Ne.But to use Ti you need Si but their Si sucks so what they will do (at least what i do ) is use their Ti to oversimplify things in a very simple logical understanding which then they can remember.Their theories though will usually be more objective than INTPs'.Also they are better at Fe than INTP's so they will be better at explaining their understanding's at people (Also at manipulating people using Ti hidden agenda and Fe).Also because of their urge to take more new info in they
will generally come with crazy random ideas and then motivate people with Fe to follow through their ideas.
ESFJ: (Fe Si Ne Ti)
ESFJ are one of the best types ever, if good they can be very warm and sympathetic and take care of you.They use Fe as their primary function and they support it using life experience and memory (Si ) .Their Ne is third so they wont have taken so much info in their Si and so they can be somewhat close-minded people.They are good at people and they know exactly how to behave in each different social situation using their Si. (IF they have encountered the same type of social environment before, but since they like very much meeting new people all the time they will most probably know every social environment there is).Their problem most likely is low Ne and almost nonexistent Ti.
They generally use their Si to support Fe so they will strive for outter harmony and try to achieve it by taking info from memory.The problem is that their Si contains sh1t so they will generally want to teach people whats good and true , and make the world a better place but they cant do that because what they think they know is illogical and untrue and so most of the ESFJs become just another housewive / husband with a boring job and a boring life.They are pretty good at practical stuff though.Compare them to the INTP , the intp's or , most of them , have in their Si (memory) a load of true and logical information but they suck with people so they cant explain their knowledge or make other people care to hear them.They also suck practical things.
ISFJ
Si Fe Ti Ne)
These people are the best caretakers ever they use Si as primary so they are very in tune with their memory and are also very good at practical matters.Their second function is Fe so they will be people oriented , and their third is Ti so they will be more logical than ESFJ.Their Si-memory will aslo be more logical and instead of relying on raw info as ESFJ does , they will try to understand the info logically.The problem with ISFJ's is that they suck at gaining new info so they will be closeminded as f*ck and their Si-memory will be very small.ESFJ's are better at remembering random stuff not because they have better memory but because they actually use Ne instead of being completely oblivious to the new info as ISFJ does.When they learn something though they rmember everything .Like their ESFJ sisters/brothers they want to connect their Si with reality and they are good at it but their Si is so closed to new info that is far removed from objective reality.They need to use their Ne so their Si will become closer to reality , and become more diverse.
Imagine the potential if a person used perfectly Ne and Si , it would be like a constantly expanding encyclopedia.Ofc that would be too imba
Example of me using Si: I have met so many people and typed them in real life , that as the time passed , i got better and better at typing people.The way i do it is by using Si.I have created 16 *images* in my memory of how each type should talk like , or how his eyes should be moving , or how expressive each type is and how eacy type generaly behaves.So when i see someone i havent type i generaly get a feeling , like an aura that helps me type that person.
So about Ne, here's how i define Ne: Ne is the ultimate data gathering function , it gathers facts all the time but doesnt care to take in stuff that exists in Si.So Ne gathers *new* stuff all the time.Very often Ne uses creativity to take info that aren't apparently there, as it wants to take everything in, but it has a weakness as it always ignores stuff that it already has seen (Si) , so Ne misses some new info that it could take from the environment that Se is very good at taking.
Summary: Ne takes *new* info in , Si stores it and uses it.
Now about Ti/Fe ,...well here i have some difficulty but let me give it a try,...
Ti: We all know what Ti is , its the ultimate logic function , it analyzes stuff and understands them and it also can chose the best logical decision from the data the use has been given (imo ISTPs are better at applying Ti in real life, INTP's are better at understanding a concept using Ti)
Fe: Its the outter harmony function , the main domain of Fe is manipulating the environment (most often social environment) so as to harmonise it.Fe users are generally very adept at manipulating a social environment and are generaly good with people.A good Fe user cares about the people around him and helps them as much as he can, a bad Fe user uses his social skills to manipulate people to achive his hidden primitive Ti goal.The way i see Fe is as weapon that can be used for good or for bad.
So how Ti/Fe can work with each other? That's difficult but i will try answering that.
Fe is a weapon so it needs someone to control it , that someone is Ti.Ti can control Fe using logic and channel it to achieve something greater/better.(most immature Fe users control their Fe using their repressed Fi , but only Ti can do the job correctly). Also Fe can be used to explain to other people the Ti understandings and teach them.
Ok so let me explain what i think about each alpha type:
INTP (Ti-Ne-Si-Fe):
So about INTP's ....they are very intelligent people , very introverted (the most introverted introvert , generally NTP's are more introverted than the other types for some unknown reason :P), they are the theories generators of the world , they take many info through Ne and then store it in Si.Then they super analyze it with Ti and create a special understanding or a solution or a theory.
Then they store their understanding in Si and they then super analyze it again using Si. That is the Ti-Si loop.But if they get stuck in too much Ti-Si their theories will stop being accurate and stop describing reality.The great weakness of most INTp's is that because of low Fe , they suck at expressing their theories or logic , either because they dont care , or because of low Fe which acts as a translator for Ti (using words people can understand ,captivating them etc)
ENTP (Ne-Ti-Fe-Si):
They come in all colours , but generally ENTP's are mistyped as INTP's because they are the most introverted extravert.They are very very clever and very fast thinkers.Many of them are good at debating and many of them are innovators and very cretive. The ENTP uses Ne as primary, so generally Ne users will have taken an extreme amount of info in.They will have trouble using Si though so they will have a difficulty in retrieving information at least consciously.Next they use Ti which analyzes stuff they have taken from Ne.But to use Ti you need Si but their Si sucks so what they will do (at least what i do ) is use their Ti to oversimplify things in a very simple logical understanding which then they can remember.Their theories though will usually be more objective than INTPs'.Also they are better at Fe than INTP's so they will be better at explaining their understanding's at people (Also at manipulating people using Ti hidden agenda and Fe).Also because of their urge to take more new info in they
will generally come with crazy random ideas and then motivate people with Fe to follow through their ideas.
ESFJ: (Fe Si Ne Ti)
ESFJ are one of the best types ever, if good they can be very warm and sympathetic and take care of you.They use Fe as their primary function and they support it using life experience and memory (Si ) .Their Ne is third so they wont have taken so much info in their Si and so they can be somewhat close-minded people.They are good at people and they know exactly how to behave in each different social situation using their Si. (IF they have encountered the same type of social environment before, but since they like very much meeting new people all the time they will most probably know every social environment there is).Their problem most likely is low Ne and almost nonexistent Ti.
They generally use their Si to support Fe so they will strive for outter harmony and try to achieve it by taking info from memory.The problem is that their Si contains sh1t so they will generally want to teach people whats good and true , and make the world a better place but they cant do that because what they think they know is illogical and untrue and so most of the ESFJs become just another housewive / husband with a boring job and a boring life.They are pretty good at practical stuff though.Compare them to the INTP , the intp's or , most of them , have in their Si (memory) a load of true and logical information but they suck with people so they cant explain their knowledge or make other people care to hear them.They also suck practical things.
ISFJ
Si Fe Ti Ne)These people are the best caretakers ever they use Si as primary so they are very in tune with their memory and are also very good at practical matters.Their second function is Fe so they will be people oriented , and their third is Ti so they will be more logical than ESFJ.Their Si-memory will aslo be more logical and instead of relying on raw info as ESFJ does , they will try to understand the info logically.The problem with ISFJ's is that they suck at gaining new info so they will be closeminded as f*ck and their Si-memory will be very small.ESFJ's are better at remembering random stuff not because they have better memory but because they actually use Ne instead of being completely oblivious to the new info as ISFJ does.When they learn something though they rmember everything .Like their ESFJ sisters/brothers they want to connect their Si with reality and they are good at it but their Si is so closed to new info that is far removed from objective reality.They need to use their Ne so their Si will become closer to reality , and become more diverse.
Imagine the potential if a person used perfectly Ne and Si , it would be like a constantly expanding encyclopedia.Ofc that would be too imba
