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An Atheist Rapper

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Fun lyrics... :)
Crap music... :(

He sounds like a black Eminem (if that's possible?)
 

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Yeah, the music is decent and the lyrics are nice, given the subject is one rarely ever seen in music (if ever). At times, he shows flashes of lyrical creativity, while at other times, it seems very flat. I'm just glad someone actually decided to incorporate an atheistic theme into a song (especially a rap song of all things!).
 

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I like finding songs in rap that goes against the grain like this.

Reminds me of when I first heard Faggot Bruce.
 

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As an atheist I bristled at "I'm like the atheist spokesman" (you can't speak for the a-theist, a-political or a-anything position - that's the point) but since I didn't disagree with his points I'll forgive him this time.

I like how he specifically attacks fundy hypocrisy and illogical creationist pseudo-science rather than christianity as a whole. I know there are atheists who dismiss all spirituality as foolish but I'm not one of them and I resent assumptions that all atheists are antitheist. He didn't buy into that one. He just rationally answered the irrational arguments.

I like that he used rap to do it. I think this would be a new theme for rap audiences (disclaimer - I'm not a rap fan so I'm probably ignorant of its common themes).

I didn't like "agnostics people been playin the fence" but I'm just about ready to give up on that argument. He's using the old atheist-agnostic-theist continuum that takes agnostic to mean undecided. This is incorrect.
Or at least, it was incorrect. The trouble with language as a living thing is that once incorrect usage becomes so common that the incorrect meaning is commonly understood, it's not incorrect anymore. Dammit. True agnosticism now needs a new name so I can call myself an agnostic atheist without being misunderstood.
 

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PS
.. I'm especially interested in knowing Agent Intellect's view of this song!!
+1 :)


And just in case there are people who'd like to join the discussion without having to listen to any rap....

Grand Unified Theory
Rational Response Squad's Newest Member
My name is....Greydon Square
And I'm a always give it to you straight
Check it. Yo Yo.

(Verse 1)
I'm like the Atheist spokesman
That why I come under fire and pressure attacks like Rex Grossman
Yea this game is intense
I been sayin it since agnostics people been playin the fence
They keep sayin its the same in a sense
That evolution requires faith, that universe just came to exist
First of all, microevolution been proven
In the same way that sound waves let you listen to music
And macroevolution is the system of change
At or above the level of the species inflicted with change
That's microevolution on a grand scale we can't even word
because our life span's too short to observe
"But carbon dating is flawed"
"Its half life is 5730 years, and that supports our cause"
Now that'd be great if we used it to date
But since we don't then I'm a question that argument's weight
We use potassium argon to date to date the globe
Not carbon 12 or carbon 14 not none of those
So before you attack Grey go get ya facts straight
Because in the facts race, your God comes into last place

(Chorus)
Belief in Gods, we can fix that
Irrational thoughts we get dispatched
It may be hard be we'll get back
In the position to just to end that

(Verse 2)
To battle me you need to reason clearly
Now I'm not sayin fear me
But at least be versed in punctuated equilibrium theory
Grand unified fields, quantum mechanics and dark planets
With logic that's sharper than a blade of d'Artagnan's
To destroy arguments of creationists who cant stand it
Then they try and hit me with the wager
Who? Pascal's wager. Who? Pascal's wager.
Now that's a fool's bet
And against the intelligent it's used less
Really? You bet
This aint nothing new, they use it on kids
But for those who don't know it goes a little like this
Wouldn't you rather believe in God and be wrong
Then to not believe in God and be wrong
If you believe in God and your wrong you've lost nothing
But if you don't believe and you're wrong its all suffering
The problem is you can try it on anything
Switch the Gods around and apply it to anything
The Flyin Spaghetti Monster, Zeus, Amin, Ra
Krishna, Odin, Baal and then Allah
Which one of em's our God?
None of em all false
And blame it on the Atheists its always our fault
Except it never is
So don't get mad at us we just showin ya'll the evidence

(Chorus)
Belief in Gods, we can fix that
Irrational thoughts we get dispatched
It may be hard be we'll get back
In the position to just to end that

Grand Unified Theory
Rational Response Squad
I'm a make the fundies hate me
They gon' need a new reason to shut down rap
But they wont shut down rap that degrades women though huh.
They wont shut down rap that talks about sellin crack though huh
Hypocrites
Its all good...
 

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As an atheist I bristled at "I'm like the atheist spokesman" (you can't speak for the a-theist, a-political or a-anything position - that's the point) but since I didn't disagree with his points I'll forgive him this time.

I disagree: I really like the expression "atheist spokesman," because it's a figurative expression (simile) which doesn't literally mean that he's the atheist spokesman (as if there is such an actual position), but instead, it merely gets across his very outspoken nature on the issue, so that he holds a great level of representation, perhaps, with regard to what atheists may find common against theism, given so many other people are much more quiet about the matter. So of course it's ridiculous to actually be a spokesman for a group of people so unorganized and individualistic, but that's why he said like the atheist spokesman, which makes a huge difference in overall meaning, so that he's just making a comparison in order to make a point.

I like how he specifically attacks fundy hypocrisy and illogical creationist pseudo-science rather than christianity as a whole. I know there are atheists who dismiss all spirituality as foolish but I'm not one of them and I resent assumptions that all atheists are antitheist. He didn't buy into that one. He just rationally answered the irrational arguments.

While true, I wouldn't necessarily say he's soft on Christianity, or any other religion for that matter. The guy seems to have a very low opinion of religion, and theism, in general. The lyrics do say, "Belief in gods, we can fix that; irrational thoughts we get dispatched." To me, this sounds pretty anti-theistic. And yeah, spirituality is much more harmless than actual theism, given it doesn't really lead to organized belief, but merely personal opinion/feelings. Theism largely comes with many "self-evident truths" type notions which faith just masks, so that there's much more reason for us intellects to want to oppose that crap. So perhaps you have a point on spirituality. He clearly does seem to focus exactly on the arguments put forward against non-belief, and/or for theism.

I like that he used rap to do it. I think this would be a new theme for rap audiences (disclaimer - I'm not a rap fan so I'm probably ignorant of its common themes).

Indeed. Many people seem to enjoy the notion of incorporating the theistic debate to the rap genre, and I do think it could very well be a new theme on the rise. Overall, I agree with you and definitely enjoy the fact that he skillfully used rapping to express his views on the issue.

I didn't like "agnostics people been playin the fence" but I'm just about ready to give up on that argument. He's using the old atheist-agnostic-theist continuum that takes agnostic to mean undecided. This is incorrect.
Or at least, it was incorrect. The trouble with language as a living thing is that once incorrect usage becomes so common that the incorrect meaning is commonly understood, it's not incorrect anymore. Dammit. True agnosticism now needs a new name so I can call myself an agnostic atheist without being misunderstood.

Indeed. Agnosticism is an epistemic position which has nothing to do with belief/judgment. Thus, most atheists are actually agnostics, and most agnostics are actually atheists, which means most irreligious people are actually agnostic atheists. But there still seems to be a difference between actual 50/50 agnostics (or "on the fence," undecided people who suspend belief), as they are called, and those of us who actually take a stance on the issue, holding that perhaps it seems less likely, or implausible, that there's actually a God, or any deities, for that matter.

The only way I can really distinguish between these types of stances is to call one "50/50 agnosticism," and the other "De Facto Atheism," according to Richard Dawkin's system. But it really would be nice to actually get some official terms for these positions.
 

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I don't have a lot of time to make a proper response yet, so I'll just list a few of my first impressions for now:

1. Good use of facts. I've heard atheist raps before, but most talk about it from a personal point of view. This guy seems to know his science and incorporates it decently into lyrical form.

2. As a rapper, regardless of subject material, I found it somewhere between average and a little below average. Some of his filler lines seemed a bit forced, and his flow wasn't always very smooth.

3. The beat was straight. I didn't care much for the chorus.

4. I liked the part about Pascal's wager (from Roni's post):
This aint nothing new, they use it on kids
But for those who don't know it goes a little like this
Wouldn't you rather believe in God and be wrong
Then to not believe in God and be wrong
If you believe in God and your wrong you've lost nothing
But if you don't believe and you're wrong its all suffering
The problem is you can try it on anything
 

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I disagree: I really like the expression "atheist spokesman," because it's a figurative expression (simile) which doesn't literally mean that he's the atheist spokesman....
I'm a gon disagree wit yo like interpretation of like in this like context ;)
.. I wouldn't necessarily say he's soft on Christianity, or any other religion for that matter. The guy seems to have a very low opinion of religion, and theism, in general. The lyrics do say, "Belief in gods, we can fix that;
Conceded. I overlooked that one.
Even without that line you could argue it's naive to take this song out of a context that includes prior arguments with Rex Grossman (whoever he is). I'd probably concede that, too.
..Theism largely comes with many "self-evident truths" type notions which faith just masks, so that there's much more reason for us intellects to want to oppose that crap.
Agreed, but when we do so there are more meaningful positions to assume than atheism - when theism threatens education, argue as a secularist; when it threatens reason, argue as a rationalist; when it threatens lives, argue as a pacifist; when it threatens the source of serenity for the harmlessly spiritual, argue as a humanist.
..there still seems to be a difference between actual 50/50 agnostics .. and those of us who actually take a stance on the issue..
.. it really would be nice to actually get some official terms for these positions.
Strongly agree. In rational debate this could be dismissed as semantic quibbling, but with the average YouTube commenters (who have the real power, let's face it) semantics makes all the difference.
Agnostic atheists and agnostic theists have no real dispute - they both agree that neither knows the theistic position they each believe and are therefore well positioned for mutual acceptance. It bothers me as a pacifist that this is dismissed as fence-sitting, leaving a large source of reason out of unreasonable debates.
The gnostic theists are the big crazies. In their efforts to 'prove' their belief they seem to drag otherwise sensible people into unwinnable crazy contests where gnostic atheists look just as crazy as they are. Again, some clearer terms might help cut the confusion.
:smiley_emoticons_mr
I don't know what this emoticon is meant to mean. It just seemed to fit here.
 

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I'll respond tomorrow, Roni. Good post, though.
 

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I am an atheist and I couldn't make it past 14 seconds of the videos :D. Guess I just don't enjoy rap music.
 

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in case you didn't know there is a group called OFWGTA who are all atheist more specifically Tyler the Creator and Earl Sweatshirt their lyrics are more fun with a lot of word play. Also there's a another rapper called Hopsin his songs are sometimes serious with deep lyrics and sometimes fun. Lol and finally there's another rapper called Sadistik who is by far the best out of the people i named his music is serious deals with life issues love it. I am not atheist but i don't think there is anything wrong with listening to music from people who have a different view of life, and nothing wrong with enjoying the aesthetics of music.
 

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Perhaps this one also should be here ?
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvt062uFnl4"]Sage Francis - Sun vs Moon - YouTube[/nomedia]
 
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