Am I INTP?

[Nerd]

Hi everybody,

I took 4 tests and 2 of them said that I was INTP while the other 2 tests said that I was INTJ.
Am I INTP or am I INTJ? Here are few things about me:

-I'm very messy
-I'm usually late for appointments
-I find it difficult to finish projects, often I would start a project and feel all excited and then get bored easily
-I like to classify things mentally and organize them.
-I have strong empathy but I'm not very good with people
-I like to plan in advance, for example if I'm travelling to a different country I like to plan every detail in advance: which hotel? what is the best time of year to visit that country? what is the proper way of calling a taxi? How much would you tip in a hotel? etc.
-I'm good at finding logical holes in other peoples arguments
　
What do you think?
　
　
　
　
　

 

[kinetickyle]

You sound a lot like me. I might not be as much of a planner as you are, but I struggle for spontaneity when traveling. But I do need to have at least tentative plans.

I think there's a lot of similarities between Ps and Js. Others on this forum may disagree with me on that. I've taken several versions of the test myself and I always come out as INTP, but sometimes, I'm leaning toward Sensing and other times I'm almost 100% Intuition. I'm not sure how much wiggle room there is in the tests.

Look at it this way - you're too complex to be easily categorized.

 

[EFM]

Probably INTP, but planning your trips sounds distinctly INTJ to me... in the long run its really irrelevant, trying to classify yourself for the sake of classification has always bothered me...

 

[Architect]

INTP. I test out INTJ because I have some drive and can actually accomplish things, but otherwise fit INTP to a T

 

[A22]

Read about the MBTI theory. Judgment vs. perception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBTI#Judgment_vs._perception

 

[aaaw]

What do you think?

I think you sound almost exactly like me.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[aaaw]

Perhaps I should add some info on where I think we differ – namely, planning. Although I like to plan for travels, my planning tends to involve exploring possibilities rather than organising day-to-day details such as accommodation. I never travel with a set itinerary and usually make day-to-day decisions fairly spontaneously – although I do this with a sound knowledge of the possibilities offered by the particular place I am in.

This can make for some interesting trips – a spontaneous trip to Somalia, for example, and another one to Iran. However, sometimes it means that I spend more time going from one place to another – exploring possibilities - than actually stopping and enjoying each place.

 

[CoryJames]

I feel with all that planning nonsense you are probably a j. I don't plan a damn thing.

 

[Nerd]

Thanks to everybody for their replies. More info:

-I can't multitask
-If I'm doing something there shouldn't be distractions otherwise I can't get the job done
-I'm kind of cynical
-I'm keep second guessing established "facts"
-I'm fascinated by mysteries

The problem is that I have to know my type. This probably has to do with my need to classify things. The world makes no sense to me without proper classification.

 

[A22]

I feel with all that planning nonsense you are probably a j. I don't plan a damn thing.

I usually do a lot of planning too. But I only follow my plans sometimes hehe I like to keep decisions open

 

[Bird]

Examine your cognitive functions.

 

[EFM]

Examine your cognitive functions.

Specifically E vs. I iNtuition

 

[nexion]

Examine your cognitive functions.

This. Ti and Ne vs. Ni and Te. That should be pretty accurate.

 

[sweeper]

I usually do a lot of planning too. But I only follow my plans sometimes hehe I like to keep decisions open

I love a line from Neuromancer (William Gibson). One of the AI's -- I think Wintermute, but it's been a while -- says 'I'm better with situations than with plans'.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I feel with all that planning nonsense you are probably a j. I don't plan a damn thing.

Agreed. One of my favorite sayings is "I'll find out the hard way" when someone asks me if I'm ready for something I'm about to do. If you can't improvise your way through something, you can't plan your way through it either.

Except architecture and engineering, maybe.

 

[Zmaster]

Ever consider what your mood was or whether you ate certain foods right before taking the tests. Since you are what you eat perhaps your mind can change slightly based on how you currently feel.

 

[nexion]

Ever consider what your mood was or whether you ate certain foods right before taking the tests. Since you are what you eat perhaps your mind can change slightly based on how you currently feel.

I'm sure it can affect chemical balances slightly which may have something to do with it.

As for planning... deliberate planning, I rarely ever do, but I heavily research and consider 'things' before I do them. I never jump to conclusions without having all the facts and going through every one of my thoughts/considering the consequences, etc.

 

[Zmaster]

I just took it again and scored [SIZE=+1]Your Type is [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+2]INTJ[/SIZE][/SIZE][SIZE=+1]IntrovertedIntuitiveThinkingJudging[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]Strength of the preferences %[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]72,50,62,1[/SIZE]

but the first time I took it I was

Introverted (I) 74.19% Extroverted (E) 25.81%

Intuitive (N) 60.53% Sensing (S) 39.47%

Thinking (T) 57.14% Feeling (F) 42.86%
Perceiving (P) 70.97% Judging (J) 29.03%​

​

Your type is: INTP​

INTP - "Architect". Greatest precision in thought and language. Can readily discern contradictions and inconsistencies. The world exists primarily to be understood. 3.3% of total population. ​

But it really depends on what is going on in your life right now and perhaps I'm more judging because I find myself making alot of decisions atm that will affect my present and future. It also depends which test you take

 

[EFM]

But it really depends on what is going on in your life right now and perhaps I'm more judging because I find myself making alot of decisions atm that will affect my present and future. It also depends which test you take

MBTI has been found to not be as true as most people believe. It has been found that certain functions can change, and some functions can be found to be equally used in some people (namely P/J, I/E is the most definite)... it is definitely not universally accepted, so I think you should take the results with a grain of salt.

 

[SpaceYeti]

^ Exactly. I continually test as an INTP, yet most of the people on this forum who consider my INTP status refuse to accept it. Think about it, even though we're 1% of the world, that makes us still 70,000,000 strong. We really aren't all that similar giving the raw chance of variance among numbers that high.

 

[nexion]

^ Exactly. I continually test as an INTP, yet most of the people on this forum who consider my INTP status refuse to accept it. Think about it, even though we're 1% of the world, that makes us still 70,000,000 strong. We really aren't all that similar giving the raw chance of variance among numbers that high.

Yeah, intra-type differences, but still... I'm not sure if I have ever seen you exhibiting Ti-like speech/thought. But, I can't really say, so while I remain skeptical, I do not make a judgment either way.

By the way, for you and anyone else who cares... essentially, the test and the dichotomies mean nothing. Functions rule supreme. The dichotomies do nothing more than simplify the functional preference. On E/I particularly, the worst thing anyone can do is say that extroverts are sociable and have a lot of energy and that introverts are withdrawn and have little energy. The correlation is there, but it is not true in all cases. Besides, those scales are mostly subjective anyway. Truly knowing one's type will only result from understanding and analyzing the cognitive functions.

 

[Melkor]

Not sure...

You sound like a human...

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Try this test: http://keys2cognition.com/explore.htm

If you get a consistent result then I guess you can assume that that's your type? Given that it tests for each of the 8 functions individually, not the 4 dichotomies, it's more likely to be accurate.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Yeah, intra-type differences, but still... I'm not sure if I have ever seen you exhibiting Ti-like speech/thought. But, I can't really say, so while I remain skeptical, I do not make a judgment either way.

By the way, for you and anyone else who cares... essentially, the test and the dichotomies mean nothing. Functions rule supreme. The dichotomies do nothing more than simplify the functional preference. On E/I particularly, the worst thing anyone can do is say that extroverts are sociable and have a lot of energy and that introverts are withdrawn and have little energy. The correlation is there, but it is not true in all cases. Besides, those scales are mostly subjective anyway. Truly knowing one's type will only result from understanding and analyzing the cognitive functions.

How would I express Ti on the forum? What do I express?

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

How would I express Ti on the forum? What do I express?

You express strong Fe, backed up by Ni.

Spoiler

 

[SpaceYeti]

You express strong Fe, backed up by Ni.

Spoiler

Ha, I'm sure. Perhaps compared to others here.

Cognitive ProcessLevel of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************ (24.1)
average useintroverted Sensing (Si) ********************* (21.9)
limited useextraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************** (34.9)
good useintroverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************** (18.8)
limited useextraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************************* (43.3)
excellent useintroverted Thinking (Ti) ******************************************** (44)
excellent useextraverted Feeling (Fe) **************** (16.4)
limited useintroverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************ (36)
good use

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Hm. Quite high Te and Fi use.

Maybe the military habituated you into Te-like activities without actually using Te, and you just happen to have a good understanding of what you do and don't like, without it actually being Fi (the Fi questions were really general I think)?

Of course, you could explain anyway any functions like that. Eh, maybe you can't necessarily infer a whole lot from the test.

I get,

extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************** (22.5)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) *********************** (23.3)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************* (31.5)
good use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) **************************************** (40.7)
excellent use
extraverted Thinking (Te) *********************** (23.4)
limited use
introverted Thinking (Ti) *************************************** (39.6)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************** (32.6)
good use
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************** (26.4)
average use

 

[SpaceYeti]

No, I habituated myself to Te functionality. My feeling... I just know what I like and don't. I also spent a lot of time trying to figure myself out, though, so that makes sense. Other people's feelings are still generally a mystery to me.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Well, however it came about, it is a habituation - a mimicry - rather than actual Te use, do you think? I think Te user determines what process needs to be taken externally, whereas a Ti would think about it internally, then act on it - if that distinction makes sense.

I assume that your process of knowing yourself is totally different to an Fi user's - it's more just knowing what you want and what you believe from a more rational standpoint, rather than strong moral judgements, yeah?

 

[aaaw]

Try this test: http://keys2cognition.com/explore.htm

If you get a consistent result then I guess you can assume that that's your type? Given that it tests for each of the 8 functions individually, not the 4 dichotomies, it's more likely to be accurate.

This test seemed more abitrary than most. For me almost every question could be interpreted in different ways and depended a lot on context. That said, I still test INTP.

Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP


Cognitive ProcessLevel of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************** (22.8)
limited use

introverted Sensing (Si) **************************** (28.8)
average use

extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************ (36.1)
excellent use

introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************************** (32.7)
good use

extraverted Thinking (Te) ********************** (22.6)
limited use

introverted Thinking (Ti) **************************************** (40.9)
excellent use

extraverted Feeling (Fe) ***************** (17.9)
limited use

introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************** (38)
excellent use

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

This test seemed more abitrary than most. For me almost every question could be interpreted in different ways and depended a lot on context. That said, I still test INTP.

Yeah I think so. I like the idea of testing for each function, but you still have the glaring problems of properly portraying, and then properly interpreting the meaning of what's being asked. I think a pretty accurate test like this could be developed, if the questions were crafted well.

 

[aaaw]

I think a pretty accurate test like this could be developed, if the questions were crafted well.

I'm sure you're right, but I don't believe this could be a universal test. It would have to be tailored to a specific social and cultural context. There are too many embeded cultural assumptions in questions of this nature.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Hm. I think if we got to the heart of how the functions really work then most other complicating factors would disappear. Of course it won't be perfect still, but I'd like a test to introduce people to typology with that I feel is actually a good indicator of your type - as well as introducing the cognitive functions - rather than "Here's an 80 question test. Your result will probably be wrong and your understanding of types will now be based on misconceptions. Have a nice day."

 

[nexion]

How would I express Ti on the forum? What do I express?

http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/

Te:

Empirical thinking is at the core of extraverted Thinking when we challenge someone’s ideas based on the logic of the facts in front of us

Fi:

it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued, wanted, or worth believing in.

This is just what jumps at me, though I could be misinterpreting, etc.

Contrast this with Ne and Ti. Ti may be there, but I don't really see Ne much at all.

Ha, I'm sure. Perhaps compared to others here.

Cognitive ProcessLevel of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************ (24.1)
average useintroverted Sensing (Si) ********************* (21.9)
limited useextraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************** (34.9)
good useintroverted Intuiting (Ni) ****************** (18.8)
limited useextraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************************* (43.3)
excellent useintroverted Thinking (Ti) ******************************************** (44)
excellent useextraverted Feeling (Fe) **************** (16.4)
limited useintroverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************ (36)
good use

Your results look similar to mine (I had high Ti, Ne, and Ni, though I also had very little Te and Sx), but I don't really trust this test either. As aaaw said, the questions are fairly ambiguous and could mean many different things depending on what context you put them in or how you interpret them.

I find it interesting also that you got high Fi... but then, one would even expect a shadow function to have more use than the inferior...

 

[Puffy]

I agree, but I think you know my opinion already SpaceYeti (:

I don't personally believe those tests will give accurate results. By the nature of responding to questions you are in one way or another stating your preference. The type or function use tests are in some way going to reflect your ideal self rather than your actual self.

I do personally believe that typology is more than just someone's personal preference but I understand everyone has a different opinion on this. I will just express mine.

I can only analyse the words you have posted in the past Yeti as I don't know you as a person. But from the time you have joined I believe I have seen consistent Te use. As Nil summarised this is, imo, empirical logic. As Adymus summarised on a different thread. Te is what sets the rules, Ti the people who play the game. (It seems the best description I have seen.)

Ti is a logic that is constantly refining itself: seeking perfection. It will have a better tendency to be deconstructive and challenge its basic assumptions, so that it may best perfect them. Ti will have a tendency to challenge the rules which has been shown in many posts, for example, by myself, Da Blob, A.I. and Nil (more shown in private contact). You usually display irritance to this, if you have Te, it might be that it challenges the rules you seek to maintain: usually the laws of logic, or such.

The difference between our views seems to be that you believe by being a thinker (T) you can have both extraverted thinking and introverted thinking. I don't make this assumption, I believe both are equally valid and necessary forms of logic, but that you will display one or the other (more so depending on its position in your functions). If you have Te, you wouldn't have Ti, imo.

Maybe ENTJ (?) But again, if you think from my description of Te and Ti that you have Ti I won't debate you there. I don't like enforcing labels on people, I just hope that it may provide a chance for one to question themself and come to a better understanding of themself.

 

[Nerd]

OK I took the keys2cognition.com/ test and strangely enough I was told I'm ISTJ?
I took it again and it also told me ISTJ?
My Te is stronger than my Ti
The first time my Ne was stronger than my Ni
The second time they were exactly equal

Does this mean that I'm not INTP?

 

[nexion]

Not necessarily...

 

[SpaceYeti]

Well, however it came about, it is a habituation - a mimicry - rather than actual Te use, do you think? I think Te user determines what process needs to be taken externally, whereas a Ti would think about it internally, then act on it - if that distinction makes sense.

I assume that your process of knowing yourself is totally different to an Fi user's - it's more just knowing what you want and what you believe from a more rational standpoint, rather than strong moral judgements, yeah?

I fail to see the difference between mimicing something and it's actually being the thing, in this particular case. In the same way I became accustomed to using a Play Station controller, I learned to do Te. You're of the impression that non-preferred functions are not still part of you. All functions are part of you, you simply have a preference, tending to result in a few of them getting neglected (at least while you're young). I would say I neglected my feelings, but I'm not really sure I have that many of them. They still surprise me now and then, though.

I know what I do like and want, and I know what I do not like and want. I'm not sure what other way of understanding my desires there would be. I witness/experience myself liking something, so I conclude I like it in general.

 

[SpaceYeti]

http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/

In that case, the only thing I really seem to care about that Te concerns itself with is empiricism. The problem here is that logic without an outside world or context is useless. You need the outside world for logic to have any meaning, and logic applied to the outside world is empirical reasoning. I use it because my Ti logic requires it.

The "either or" concept many of you have of thinking is both flawed and arbitrarily limiting to a person's mind and creativity. I do not seek to suppress new ideas, I seek to suppress irrational ideas. Having a new approach is grand. Being illogical is counter to Ti. When I combat your "new" or "unorthodox" ways, it's not just because they're new, it's because they're wrong. Just like if someone said "1+2=4" or "I literally blew up", you correct them. I correct you when I see you make a mistake. If I'm wrong in correcting you, correct me. This should lead to a fun exchange.

Except in Nil's time argument. After it became a circle and it started feeling like I was arguing with a creationist, it wasn't fun any more.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

SpaceYeti I don't think you quite understand the Ti/Te distinction. And your views with regards to function use are heretical and must not be said again. All 8 functions being used? Preposterous!

A function is not simply defined by the activities one can do with it - any given activity can be done through multiple functions, but the mental processes are different. Understanding the differences between all the functions can be incredibly difficult, given that we only consciously use four of them, so don't fully comprehend what it means to use the others.

Honestly, I would put you down for a Te user. Maybe ENTJ; does Te-Ni sound like it could plausibly be your type? Does knowing your type matter much to you anyway?

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With regards to arguing, I think when an NTJ argues, the point of the argument is to win - however, with an NTP, the point is largely about the process of arguing itself. Scuritinising the opponents argument under a strict logic is itself enjoyable, and while there is still a drive to know the truth, an NTP will probably continue arguing even when it seems clear that know one is going to win or change their opinion. (am I correct here?)

For me, it's not really about either of these things - I'll leave a debate when it becomes clear that there is no real interest in understanding each other, and it has become about winning, or about logically analysing without considering the underlying meaning.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Yeah I think so. I like the idea of testing for each function

Actually, I think the best test would test for E/I, P/J, Te-Fi/Ti-Fe and Se-Ni/Si-Ne. If none exist like this, one needs to be made!

 

[SpaceYeti]

SpaceYeti I don't think you quite understand the Ti/Te distinction. And your views with regards to function use are heretical and must not be said again. All 8 functions being used? Preposterous!

A function is not simply defined by the activities one can do with it - any given activity can be done through multiple functions, but the mental processes are different. Understanding the differences between all the functions can be incredibly difficult, given that we only consciously use four of them, so don't fully comprehend what it means to use the others.

Honestly, I would put you down for a Te user. Maybe ENTJ; does Te-Ni sound like it could plausibly be your type? Does knowing your type matter much to you anyway?

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With regards to arguing, I think when an NTJ argues, the point of the argument is to win - however, with an NTP, the point is largely about the process of arguing itself. Scuritinising the opponents argument under a strict logic is itself enjoyable, and while there is still a drive to know the truth, an NTP will probably continue arguing even when it seems clear that know one is going to win or change their opinion. (am I correct here?)

For me, it's not really about either of these things - I'll leave a debate when it becomes clear that there is no real interest in understanding each other, and it has become about winning, or about logically analysing without considering the underlying meaning.

Yes, we all know that psychological theory is pretty set in stone, especially theory of personality, particularly Jungian types. That's why, when you get a degree in it, it's in Arts instead of Science. Because it's so very objectively, verifiably true, and it has gone through rigorous testing.

Incidentally, I like the process of arguing.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

So, if you don't basically agree with the typing theory, (why) do you even care if you're INTP or not?