Alchemy MBTI

[Black Rose]

This is what I have so far, need help with type interactions(4 phases of matter) Introvert and Extrovert.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

- why are they divided up in this way in particular? what makes water T etc.

- what characteristics do each of the elements have in common with each other, and how does this map to the characteristics of the functions?

- we need an introverted and extraverted interpretation of each element

Fire represents outward energy, but it also represents warmth and comfort (see: socionics sensing)

Both fire and air are light, water and earth are heavy.

Fire is hot, Earth is solid, Air rises without bound, Water does what?

Can we create rings of three functions? e.g. just water/fire/earth or just fire/air/water

We need a full range of the properties of each element, then we can make systems by only considering specific properties

We should forget N/F/T/S even exist. Typology should be made purely elemental.

earth + air = dust, fire + water =
what about triple elements?
what if you put all the elements into one?

lava is fluid like water, so might be earth-fire-water
earth-water-air = snow-fall?
earth-fire-air=
water-fire-air=steam

eart-fire-air-water = unformed substance

 

[Black Rose]

- why are they divided up in this way in particular? what makes water T etc.

T is like watter erosion by analytical rendering the world judgmental process.

http://www.benziger.org/articles/pdf/btsa-newcomb.pdf

- what characteristics do each of the elements have in common with each other, and how does this map to the characteristics of the functions?

- we need an introverted and extraverted interpretation of each element

Fire represents outward energy, but it also represents warmth and comfort (see: socionics sensing)

Both fire and air are light, water and earth are heavy.

Fire is hot, Earth is solid, Air rises without bound, Water does what?

Can we create rings of three functions? e.g. just water/fire/earth or just fire/air/water

We need a full range of the properties of each element, then we can make systems by only considering specific properties

We should forget N/F/T/S even exist. Typology should be made purely elemental.

I might need to thing about this with pen and paper.

 

[tikru]

whatter is watter?

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

whatter is watter?

what's it matter? we're madder than a hatter.

NOW SCATTER

 

[Black Rose]

Introvert - cold
Extrovert - Hot

ENFP (Ne Fi Te Si)

Hot air ~ Cold Fire ~ Hot Watter ~ Cold Earth

When watter is really cold it forms ice.

Cold fire is aether or the transition to air.

 

[Black Rose]

earth- Weak type
earth-fire Strong type

earth-fire-air= Ash

Mastering all for functions lets you do?

 

[sammael]

Mastering all for functions lets you do?

You become the avatar ?

 

[Logic]

Okay AK47, this is all wrong. Water, fire, earth, and air have nothing to do with the cognitive functions.
'sigh'
You'd be best to scrap all of this. Having an Ego Death is never fun, but you'll soon realize why what you're doing right now is completely irrelevant. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as rude, but I'm doing this in your favor.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

 

[Black Rose]

Okay AK47, this is all wrong. Water, fire, earth, and air have nothing to do with the cognitive functions.
'sigh'
You'd be best to scrap all of this. Having an Ego Death is never fun, but you'll soon realize why what you're doing right now is completely irrelevant. I'm sorry if I'm coming of as rude, but I'm doing this in your favor.

The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of play.

Your complexity, does it surpass mine? Otherwise yes, my Ego must die for the revolution.

YouTube - ‪PonyCraft 2‬‏

Spoiler

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Philosophy, and as a result Western Civilisation as a whole, was created by meditation on the four elements. I for one, do not see myself as above such a question lest I see myself as above the greatest minds of all time.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Philosophy, and as a result Western Civilization [sp] as a whole, was created by meditation on the four elements. I for one, do not see myself as above such a question lest I see myself as above the greatest minds of all time.

But even the greatest minds can come to false conclusions if the premise they work from is wrong. (the four elements)

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

But even the greatest minds can come to false conclusions if the premise they work from is wrong. (the four elements)

Symbolism is neither true nor false, it simply is. Philosophy cannot make claims of knowledge. Meditation on structure in the form of symbolic archetypes leads to higher states of understanding.

 

[Black Rose]

But even the greatest minds can come to false conclusions if the premise they work from is wrong. (the four elements)

Super imposed like a video game to fit physics as art not solely science of hard nosed academics.

So to again iterate where not this model(Alchemy) be not sufficient for 16 and intead four is contested to be non reliable as you have your non arguments disproved until you show them to be proof.

Am I clear or do you not sea beauty in combinations of MBTI with Complex Alchemy.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Fire extinguishes earth, earth extinguishes water, water extinguishes fire.

Air is the path by which we rise above extinguishment, and create our own reality.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Earth is unmovable, objective reality. Air is evermoving, personal imagination.

Fire and Water exist as neither, being instead the lifeforce which gives life to our action. Fire is the positive force, it pursues after, dying where there is nothing to consume. Water is the negative force, it moves us with the stream, shows us ripples from our actions, laying still where nothing tries to move it.

 

[Bryson]

Meet the new NT representative:

Spoiler

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Symbolism is neither true nor false, it simply is. Philosophy cannot make claims of knowledge. Meditation on structure in the form of symbolic archetypes leads to higher states of understanding.

Life is like a bowl of noodles. Some noodles are longer than others.
Ooh! It's so profound!

Symbolism in this form is a subtly presented opinion, and as such is neither true nor false. While it may look artistic, there is nothing to substantiate this model as anything but an attempt to combine two of the author's interests, followed, of course, by several vague and almost incoherient statements about how the different functions and elements relate.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Life is like a bowl of noodles. Some noodles are longer than others.
Ooh! It's so profound!

Symbolism in this form is a subtly presented opinion, and as such is neither true nor false. While it may look artistic, there is nothing to substantiate this model as anything but an attempt to combine two of the author's interests, followed, of course, by several vague and almost incoherient statements about how the different functions and elements relate.

Perhaps.

I guess what it comes down to is: should we only discuss things that are of an immediately analytic nature, i.e. that can be scrutinised for coherence to a set of principles - or do we allow for discussions of a synthetic nature, i.e. to form a gradual new set of ideas from the consideration of not-yet linked ideas (thesis + antithesis = synthesis).

As a dominant Ti forum, you would expect the former kind of discussion to dominate, and to detach from such a process is going to be unnatural, so should we put a ban on discussions of a non-analytic nature? Or do we allow for them to see whether anything worthwhile manifests?

 

[darude11]

I have read this article before I slept yesterday, and I... well, I think that it is nice idea, even when it have no logic about the describing mud as a personality .
Anyway, I think that it is original idea! + 2 elephants from me

 

[Bryson]

I have read this article before I slept yesterday, and I... well, I think that it is nice idea

You mean reading the article in order to sleep faster?

 

[darude11]

You mean reading the article in order to sleep faster?

Nope, I mean reading article so I have to think about something when I will fall asleep

 

[dala]

You're making connections where none exist.

 

[Jordan~]

I thought you guys had tertiary Si? Can't indulge a little symbolism?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

T = Water, N = Air, S = Earth, F = Fire

Water + Air = ? Fog?
Water + Earth = Mud
Fire + Water = Steam/Mist
Fire + Earth = Lava/Magma
Fire + Air = Smoke
Earth + Air = Dust

Dust + Smoke + Lava + Steam + Mud + ?? = ???

I wonder where Electricity fits in.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

my answer to the element to function correspondance:

Replace the elements with the states of matter they represent: solid, liquid, gas, plasma. It seems to me that the basic defining feature of each is a) whether or not the particles are bonded, and b) whether or not the particles co-ordinate.


Bonded:
- co-ordinated: solid (earth)
- free-form: liquid (water)

Unbonded
- co-ordinated: plasma (fire)
- free-form: gas (air)

It seems to be that being bonded should correspond to a feeling function, being unbonded to a thinking function, being co-ordinated to a directive function, and being free-form to an adaptive function, hence:


Te = plasma/fire
Fe = solid/earth
Ti = gas/air
Fi = liquid/water

so perhaps an element refers to a kind of judgement. what's perception then?

 

[Black Rose]

Introversion - endothermic
Extraversion - exothermic

iNtuition - Fire ~ Spirit
Feeling - Water ~ emotion
Thinking - Air ~ mind
Sensing - Earth ~ physical

Individuation - Aether ~ unity of Self
Enlightenment - Philosophers Stone ~ Diamond Mind