ADD = Ti, ADD in hyperfocus = Te, thus Ti&Te in the same person

[SkyWalker]

ADD-ers constantly avoid the wrong task, This is strong Ti at work.

Thoughts are task. ADD-ers constantly avoid the wrong line-of-thought, that's why they switch line-of-thought all the time, that's why they procrastinate etc... To explain it in a bad way: They pretty much do something only to avoid the other thing.

But ADD-ers can also go into hyperfocus-mode sometimes, in this mode they stay on the same line of thought and nothing can interfere. At these moments they have strong Te at work.

I remember that Logic said that you can't have 2 opposites (like Te & Ti) within the same person (he got it from Pod Lair), each person is either Te or Ti for life according to him/them. I said that you can have 2 opposites within the same person, just not at the same moment in time. If you could agree that the above example is about Te&Ti than I have proven that it is possible within the same person (in different moments of time)

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Why would hyperfocus be extroverted thinking?

 

[SkyWalker]

because:
Te = FOCUS: pursuing the pleasure of task completion. (causes singletasking thus focus)

Ti = BLUR: avoiding the pain of wrong task selection. (causes "switch-switch-switch"-multitasking thus blur)


(and its not an F-thing because its a mechanism which is totally indifferent to other people if that might be in your mind)

 

[xbox]

INTJ's have Te, while INTP's have Ti ?

 

[Dimensional Transition]

because:
Te = FOCUS: pursuing the pleasure of task completion. (causes singletasking thus focus)

Ti = BLUR: avoiding the pain of wrong task selection. (causes "switch-switch-switch"-multitasking thus blur)


(and its not an F-thing because its a mechanism which is totally indifferent to other people if that might be in your mind)

No I mean, the focus is pretty internal as well. At least for me. I don't really see how it would be extroverted... Or wait, I think I've just got this all wrong. Extroverted thinking is... Completing material tasks by brainpower?

 

[SkyWalker]

if you are INTP then you would have strong Ti: you are avoiding the wrong task all the time, you are asking WHY all the time. (<do this> why? <lets try this instead> why? <lets try this instead> why?)

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material tasks? no sorry thats impossible, all tasks are immaterial thoughts. All though you could write down in material symbols that represent your tasks, they are still not the material themselves, the material is just a symbolic representation of immaterial thoughts in that case.

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The word focus is a tricky one. you could also say that when you BLUR then you "focus on the BLUR". and vice versa: when you focus, you "focus on the FOCUS". I hope you get what i am trying to say here.
Maybe i should have called it "task focus". and "task blur". and the other focus i would like to call it attention instead of focus, to keep them seperate. so then you would get "my attention going to task focus" or "my attention going to task blur".

I think I need to find better vocubulary to express my ideas, this focus/attention confusion thing doesnt help. I hope you get what I am saying?

 

[The Gopher]

because:
Te = FOCUS: pursuing the pleasure of task completion. (causes singletasking thus focus)

Ti = BLUR: avoiding the pain of wrong task selection. (causes "switch-switch-switch"-multitasking thus blur)


(and its not an F-thing because its a mechanism which is totally indifferent to other people if that might be in your mind)

I can see how this would make sense but something doesn't sit right in my bones about this. (ok enough movie quotes) Might have to comeback when I figure it out.

INTJ's have Te, while INTP's have Ti ?

^ Yes but the INTJ Te is axillary with an Dominate Ni

 

[soraya]

But ADD-ers can also go into hyperfocus-mode sometimes, in this mode they stay on the same line of thought and nothing can interfere. At these moments they have strong Te at work.

That's not how Te works.

 

[SkyWalker]

That's not how Te works.

why?

 

[Dimensional Transition]

if you are INTP then you would have strong Ti: you are avoiding the wrong task all the time, you are asking WHY all the time. (<do this> why? <lets try this instead> why? <lets try this instead> why?)

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material tasks? no sorry thats impossible, all tasks are immaterial thoughts. All though you could write down in material symbols that represent your tasks, they are still not the material themselves, the material is just a symbolic representation of immaterial thoughts in that case.

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The word focus is a tricky one. you could also say that when you BLUR then you "focus on the BLUR". and vice versa: when you focus, you "focus on the FOCUS". I hope you get what i am trying to say here.
Maybe i should have called it "task focus". and "task blur". and the other focus i would like to call it attention instead of focus, to keep them seperate. so then you would get "my attention going to task focus" or "my attention going to task blur".

I think I need to find better vocubulary to express my ideas, this focus/attention confusion thing doesnt help. I hope you get what I am saying?

I still don't completely get what you mean, but I do recognize the searching for a WHY all the time as an INTP.

 

[Kuu]

As far as I remember cognitive functions don't work that way.

All persons have all 8 cognitive functions and use them. Just not in equal measure and skill.

So claiming that Ti&Te are in the same person is pretty much a moot point.



Regarding all that ADD stuff...

 

[SkyWalker]

As far as I remember cognitive functions don't work that way.

All persons have all 8 cognitive functions and use them. Just not in equal measure and skill.

So claiming that Ti&Te are in the same person is pretty much a moot point.



Regarding all that ADD stuff...

ok well Logic & the pod'lair gang dont agree on that *they say we only use 4 out of 8 * and i agree with you that people use all 8.

the ADD stuff is my own theory

 

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afaik hyperfocus just means that the task has their complete attention. Flow type thing. Not that an ADDer suddenly changes their processing style.

I'm going to bed so I won't find it now but I remember there being an mbti thread on some add forum and I'm pretty sure people with add don't test anywhere near universally istp/intp. I think it's more that Ti (or detatched logic without some anchor goal type thing) can look like add

 

[P.H.]

Well... I don't agree. It almost seems as if you "want" it to fit your theory in stead of actually fitting. (because it does, to some extent, and you're trying very hard to make it fit, but it doesn't completely. there is a flaw in logic.)

Ti is about analyzing things and Te is about ordering. When I go into hyperfocus, I am in no way "ordering" stuff. I'm just analyzing without getting distracted.

And I also think ADD is more Ne than Ti. Ti is very divergent, while ADD feels more like constantly changing convergence, on different subjects (thus forgetting everything else)

 

[SkyWalker]

Well... I don't agree. It almost seems as if you "want" it to fit your theory in stead of actually fitting. (because it does, to some extent, and you're trying very hard to make it fit, but it doesn't completely. there is a flaw in logic.)

Ti is about analyzing things and Te is about ordering. When I go into hyperfocus, I am in no way "ordering" stuff. I'm just analyzing without getting distracted.

And I also think ADD is more Ne than Ti. Ti is very divergent, while ADD feels more like constantly changing convergence, on different subjects (thus forgetting everything else)

Ahh! I like it that you really think about it.

I would like to append stuff to your Te & Ti description:
- Te is a about ordering into applicable knowledge (it seeks answers to "how?" questions)
- Ti is a about analyzing into deeper understanding (it seeks answers to "why?" questions)

If you only ask how, then you will finish tasks one-by-one sequentially *thus you focus / single-task * because that is the way HOW to finish things.
If you only ask why, then you will doubt any current task, and constantly switch around to another one *thus you blur / multi-task *. because why should you actually do the current task, why not x, y or z? > so switch

Second thing that I would like to add is this:
Choosing a subject is a choice. Thus choosing a task (and whether to multitask or not) is about judgement (T actually) and not about perception (S/N).

But you can only choose tasks upon what you can see (e.g. upon what your perception (S/N) can provide for you).

I believe Ne-doms only see what there might be to win (profit/possibilities/opportunities) they neglect to see what there is to lose (loss/risks/gratefulness).

So if you are Ne&Ti-dom then you will like to task switch all the time (because your Ti asks "why?" all the time) PLUS you will see all these great other tasks just laying around you all the time (because your Ne sees all that stuff that might be there to win and it totally neglects your current tasks that might be lost). So Ne&Ti are a re-inforcing combination, making it an extreme case of constant task-switching ,forgetting all old tasks that might be lost and only seeing new tasks that might be won!
Ne&Ti-doms are number-1 ADD candidates in my opinion for this reason.

to compare: I think an Se&Ti-dom will also switch tasks a lot (since they have Ti), but will tend to come back to the same tasks at hand (instead of lots of new ones) because of Se. Se is more practical in the task switching and doesnt diverge into weird new subjects all the time like Ne would. Se just keeps reaping the benefits of switching between the current handful of useful tasks only. Therefor Se would have a normalizing effect and not cause ADD.

So far I think I am right about ADD. I am just still guessing what happens when they go into hyperfocus.
An ADD-er never does details, but in hyperfocus, even the smallest details will be finished *and finishing tasks smells like Te*.
does an ADD-er ask why or how in hyperfocus? I think this is the only time that the ADD-er asks HOW.

I think that the why-questions cause pain all the time, but then all of a sudden there is a certain subject which satisfies all (or most of) the why questions of the moment and there is very low pain for that subject, thus a giant relief and the person will love it so much that suddenly Te starts working, only because Ti is non-functional: there is nothing to avoid here (all the why questions temporarily satisfied).

until the why questions start firing up again, and then the hyperfocus mode is ended. (and if the ADD-er didnt finish the task yet at this moment then he never will any more)

 

[P.H.]

Hyperfocus is not about getting things done. I hardly ever get things done in hyperfocus. I'm just undistractable, forget about time and everything else. I read through whole wikipedia entries because the subject interests me, without noticing anything else. Sometimes I even forget to eat because I don't feel I'm hungry. You're disconnected from your environment, exploring inside your head. It has occurred that I didn't notice someone was talking to me. I'd say hyperfocus is more Ti than Te.

All perceiving functions add up to the problems ADD gives you when you have it. You perceive things, which distract you and I think Ne and Se are equally responsible for that. (where Ne is distraction from within your thoughts and Se is the type of "I am going to the toilet and oh, I want to make tea first because I'm walking past the kettle and when you get the milk out of the fridge you make yourself a sandwich because you saw you have delicious stuff to put on bread and while going back to your room, you've left the tea on the table and didn't go to the bathroom")

I think it is important to say the functions aren't causing ADD. Just being an NeTi doesn't automatically mean you have it. Those functions just behave in a similar(-ish) way. ADD is more NeTi gone wrong. And to give Te a place in this theory, I'd say that is more ADHD, which is practically outward ADD.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

ADD-ers constantly avoid the wrong task, This is strong Ti at work.

Thoughts are task. ADD-ers constantly avoid the wrong line-of-thought, that's why they switch line-of-thought all the time, that's why they procrastinate etc... To explain it in a bad way: They pretty much do something only to avoid the other thing.

But ADD-ers can also go into hyperfocus-mode sometimes, in this mode they stay on the same line of thought and nothing can interfere. At these moments they have strong Te at work.

I remember that Logic said that you can't have 2 opposites (like Te & Ti) within the same person (he got it from Pod Lair), each person is either Te or Ti for life according to him/them. I said that you can have 2 opposites within the same person, just not at the same moment in time. If you could agree that the above example is about Te&Ti than I have proven that it is possible within the same person (in different moments of time)

Skywalker is my favorite weed strain.

 

[SkyWalker]

Skywalker is my favorite weed strain.

great

 

[SkyWalker]

Hyperfocus is not about getting things done. I hardly ever get things done in hyperfocus. I'm just undistractable, forget about time and everything else. I read through whole wikipedia entries because the subject interests me, without noticing anything else. Sometimes I even forget to eat because I don't feel I'm hungry. You're disconnected from your environment, exploring inside your head. It has occurred that I didn't notice someone was talking to me. I'd say hyperfocus is more Ti than Te.

You could be right that hyperfocus is just Ti.

I think it is important to say the functions aren't causing ADD. Just being an NeTi doesn't automatically mean you have it. Those functions just behave in a similar(-ish) way. ADD is more NeTi gone wrong. And to give Te a place in this theory, I'd say that is more ADHD, which is practically outward ADD.

You are indirectly saying ADD gone good is just Ne&Ti , this is what I mean too. The succesful Ne&Ti person is called gifted and the loser Ne&Ti person is called ADD.

 

[GYX_Kid]

theoretically analyzing the concept of procrastination in an mbti context, to procrastinate end of semester work? ...well i am at least

 

[SkyWalker]

theoretically analyzing the concept of procrastination in an mbti context, to procrastinate end of semester work? ...well i am at least

So Ti... can only do a task... to avoid a worse task

 

[GYX_Kid]

yeah it does seem like by definition of extroverted thinking, that someone with a lot of habitual Ti and ADD suddenly switching to hyperfocus on a task outside his own head would be Te-ing which is a challenge because it's not the default

i guess by MBTI "rule" it's technically Ne/Fe processing information into Ti/Si which would take longer and be more of a drag to get through, because it isn't direct Te.

completing external tasks uses more resources when more functions are at work like that. maybe the hyperfocus is just turning up the extroverted functions more into the drivers' seat while the introverted thinking is still active and analyzing things, and is still being dominant/uncomfortable with secondary and inferior functions taking more of a lead.