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Now, I don't think that a particular drug can be fitted to a particular personality, but some qualities of certain drugs may suit a certain personality.

The chart says that DMT is best suited for an INTP. Unfortunately I haven't been blessed with the opportunity to try it, but hopefully soon :)
However, my all time favorites have always been MDMA and Shrooms. I'm obviously not an ESFP or an INFP though. I've taken a close liking to Amphetamine, the preference of an ENTP, according to the chart. ENTP would be the next closest type I'd fit. Personally, I wouldn't say I'm categorized for one drug, I may favor some over others but I can find something unique about each one.. The only drug I absolutely detest is JWH-018 :/

I got the chart from a thread on Bluelight, I don't recall where the OP of that thread found it.
 

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When DMT is inhaled or consumed, depending on the dose, its subjective effects can range from short-lived milder psychedelic states to powerful immersive experiences, including a total loss of connection to conventional reality, which may be so extreme that it becomes ineffable.
To be honest, I'm not into any drugs, period, but what this seems to be describing sounds like pure hell... why would I want to take a drug to disconnect from reality when a book, or in some cases, my imagination on its own, can create the exact same result? At least with books and my own zone-outs, I still have a good chunk of control, whereas I've found that when I take any sort of substance I have no control over the high. Not a fan of feeling out of control.
 

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To each their own.
 

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To be honest, I'm not into any drugs, period, but what this seems to be describing sounds like pure hell... why would I want to take a drug to disconnect from reality when a book, or in some cases, my imagination on its own, can create the exact same result? At least with books and my own zone-outs, I still have a good chunk of control, whereas I've found that when I take any sort of substance I have no control over the high. Not a fan of feeling out of control.

That's cool, and I know many people who are in the same boat. I only wish the folks who felt this way wouldn't quash opportunities for other folks. :phear:
 

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A good trip is something I believe everyone should try a few times. But only under proper and safe conditions. Its a unique experience and one you may never forget.
 

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A good trip is something I believe everyone should try a few times. But only under proper and safe conditions. Its a unique experience and one you may never forget.

That proper and safe bit is another problem with outlawing these substances. You can never be quite sure of what you're getting nowadays and we're a far cry from the legal guided psychedelic psychotherapy of the sixties. Caveat emptor.
 

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You can test the drugs you're getting.

www.dancesafe.org has reagent kits that can reveal adulterants. Ez test had a wider range of kits for detecting different substances, but their kits are only one time use.


To find out exactly what's in your drugs, you can send them to www.ecstasydata.org for GC/MS screening. Theres a price to pay though. Although the site is mainly dedicated to testing ecstasy samples, it will accept any submission, provided the fee is offered.
 

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More INTJ here and I think for me the benzos and a low dose (LOW DOSE) amphetamine would be preferable though its out of the question now. I've never been big on drugs (other than moderate alcohol) and never taken non prescription ones. I have no made up moral or logical problem with them though. I find most of the science and history of them fascinating, basically everything is a "drug" in the sense that there are a cascade of things that affect neuronal functioning and perception but its all to varying degrees. Food is a drug, LOL.

I remember reading some crap about dopamine reuptake and cocaine that ties in with amphetamines, too lazy to actually try to dredge that up but it could be argued that they work similar enough that there would be overlap. Also, I had some prescription Benzos from when I went (naturally) psychotic a year and some months ago, that was the most peaceful time of my life. A perfect balance of the anti psychotic Risperdal and a balancing dose of benzo and it felt like pure and utter bliss. I was genuinely happy and it was almost like I could hear this beautiful music. I've never felt anything close to it ever in my life. If it weren't for the fact that all the anti psychotics are basically poison and benzo's are apparently extremely addictive, I would love nothing more than to stay that way.

I probably would have liked LSD before my psychotic break. I don't think I'd like LSD NOW but I basically lived a week long hell of weird delusions where the world was a dream. I couldn't tell if I was asleep or awake. Hated it. Interesting experience though.
 

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^ o__O that's intense, mate

DMT strikes me as more ISTP than INTP for whatever reason. It feels like a roller coaster that completely fucks with your Se so profoundly in ways that can't be described that you then spiral into a Ti-Ni loop with the speed of a thousand super-excited hyperlight waves as it pieces together the puzzle set Se throws at it. Except this puzzle has more dimension rays and cyclical time crevices than the last one you remember doing. . . I thought it was kind of weird, but maybe I shouldn't have smoked it on spice. And I don't know a single person, let alone an ENFJ, who's partial to MDPV.

I think I'd be a benadryl junkie if my liver didn't feel like death after each trip.
 

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My idea, a couple of months ago, was to create a chart for the different kinds of SETTING, not the different kinds of substances. For example, extraverts might prefer to take psychedelics at a festival, whereas introverts would rather take them in a secluded place in nature, or simply at home. Sensing types might like psychedelic light shows and displays of art, while the intuitive types prefer to close their eyes and experience their inner life. Feeling types might like the shamanic and religious settings, whereas thinkers might prefer to take the substance in the company of smart people. Of course, this is just a very general sketch. My intention was to get into a lot of detail.
 

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I'm somewhat interested in trying DMT, but am on the fence. I absolutely loved shrooms, once even had my eyes float away from my head whilst looking in a mirror. Never liked marijuana, always experienced terrible chest pains (I put up with this for years in highschool, apparently I was that bored). I'm not sure though, DMT seems like it could be a rather intense experience.
 

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To be honest, I'm not into any drugs, period, but what this seems to be describing sounds like pure hell... why would I want to take a drug to disconnect from reality when a book, or in some cases, my imagination on its own, can create the exact same result? At least with books and my own zone-outs, I still have a good chunk of control, whereas I've found that when I take any sort of substance I have no control over the high. Not a fan of feeling out of control.

Some people's core reality is like hell and without control though. I mean, I agree with you that we should leave well enough alone; I would add, though, that drugs might prove salubrious in a situation characterized by despair and maladaptation. In other words, some drugs (especially psychedelics), used judiciously, can get one over an ontological hump, which isn't to suggest that you should do white rails or mainline any time soon. Other drugs, conversely, inherently take more than they give (e.g., cocaine), especially when administered chronically, and should be viewed as déclassé and still other drugs are virtually harmless (e.g., marijuana and coffee) and might even confer a benefit. I would steer away from overly synthetic drugs or substances in which the potency, effect, purity and even amount is suspect. That's just my unsolicited opinion though. I mean, the whole thing is a gamble and you constantly have to inquire whether the risk is worth the reward. Oftentimes, the answer is yes, but you need to pose these questions to yourself every time out.
 

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i've never done DMT myself, but i've had friends who have tried it. my cousin said it was a pleasant trip, nothing too extreme for him to handle (and he is an experienced psychedelic user), but i would assume he did a much smaller dose. my ex-best-friend, however, said he was entirely disconnected from reality, with hallucinations on a much larger scale. he said it changed the way he thinks, but i think some people are really just more susceptible to that sort of thing than others. we had both done acid at a time (double hit, very potent) and he said the same thing by the end of that experience, and while i understand where he was coming from, it just didn't have quite the same effect on me (in a long-term sense). he also had a habit of researching psychedelics and hyping himself up for their possible effects, whereas my cousin i'm pretty sure just heard about it for the first time that day, so who knows how that could alter the experience.

personally i took quite a liking to amphetamine but my boyfriend wouldn't let me do it too much, which i am grateful for, because speed freaks are just kind of gross. haven't done it in at least a year now but i'm hoping to get my hands on some adderol or something some time soon, now that i'm back in deutschland. does that make me an ENTP? i certainly had considered it at a time, when it was more relevant to my personal interests, but i don't know and i don't think a person's drug preferences are really indicative of anything. i'm still a pothead through and through and i fail to see why that would be an ESFJ's preferential drug. but hey, what do i know.
 

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i've never done DMT myself, but i've had friends who have tried it. my cousin said it was a pleasant trip, nothing too extreme for him to handle (and he is an experienced psychedelic user), but i would assume he did a much smaller dose. my ex-best-friend, however, said he was entirely disconnected from reality, with hallucinations on a much larger scale. he said it changed the way he thinks, but i think some people are really just more susceptible to that sort of thing than others. we had both done acid at a time (double hit, very potent) and he said the same thing by the end of that experience, and while i understand where he was coming from, it just didn't have quite the same effect on me (in a long-term sense). he also had a habit of researching psychedelics and hyping himself up for their possible effects, whereas my cousin i'm pretty sure just heard about it for the first time that day, so who knows how that could alter the experience.

personally i took quite a liking to amphetamine but my boyfriend wouldn't let me do it too much, which i am grateful for, because speed freaks are just kind of gross. haven't done it in at least a year now but i'm hoping to get my hands on some adderol or something some time soon, now that i'm back in deutschland. does that make me an ENTP? i certainly had considered it at a time, when it was more relevant to my personal interests, but i don't know and i don't think a person's drug preferences are really indicative of anything. i'm still a pothead through and through and i fail to see why that would be an ESFJ's preferential drug. but hey, what do i know.

Which dominant functions and personalities would be most susceptible to having their worldviews upended by psychedelics and which functions and types would be apt to view psychedelics as this sort of blasé phenomenological bar mitzvah? Introverted intuition, perhaps introverted thinking to a lesser degree, somehow seems to approximate these states of trance and nonlinear association on an everyday plane. Maybe the lack of change from psychedelics resides with introverted intuition and introverted thinking, at least in intuitive intellectuals, because these traits are coupled with reservations about scientism and sensory experience and empiricism. What do you think?
 

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i no longer put a whole lot of stock into functional typology, and i haven't read or studied it to any extent in years. so i can't really say what i think about it in that sense; i can, however, note one major difference between my cousin and ex-friend. my cousin is a person with a generally positive disposition toward life; my ex-friend was depressed, suicidal at times, and was probably actively seeking a life-changing experience. if i absolutely had to guess their types, i would say my cousin is probably an ENFP and my ex-friend was probably xNTP, but again, i don't personally find any relevance to that.

in my opinion, a person's situation in life is largely what determines their behavior and consequently their personality (at least socially). once upon a time i would have tested as a hardcore INTP, simply because i was socially underdeveloped and depressed to the point that i would hide myself inside my own mind simply as a defensive mechanism. nowadays i'm very different, and much happier, simply because my situation has improved greatly. the exact circumstances vary from person to person, obviously, but this to me is the major flaw of typology; your results and beliefs resultant thereof depend entirely on your state of mind at the time, whether you're taking a test or analyzing your individual functions. but, you know, that's just me.
 

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Never tried DMT, I'd prefer Amphetamines for the one evening of extravertism experience, though it screws me up too much otherwise. I don't know, perhaps a ESTJ on DMT would feel like an INTP.
 

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I find DMT fascinating (haven't taken it though). I have a friend who has taken it, and as he described his experience I felt this deep, unsettling familiarity. I often fear I am too close to that frame of mind as it is... I don't like to alter my perceptions in any serious way, as I am very susceptible to anxiety. I need to maintain a grasp of my own sense of self. I did, however, appreciate Salvia Divinorum, which is something most people do not say. The first time I tried it I was unprepared and young (15) and had mostly a bad time. It made for some great stories, later, though. The second time I was 19 and very prepared. I bought it online, carefully chose the lightest dose, carefully took in the proper amount, had a sitter and a calm atmosphere and mind. The experience was still intense, at that low dose. I had intense closed-eye visuals--I saw thousands of eyes all around me, and five one-eyed aliens before me, who were silent but incredibly powerful in their stillness and their presence. I believed that they were taking me into the afterlife. The conscious part of my mind knew that if I struggled at all I would have a very bad time, so I trusted the experience and had, overall, a pleasant time. However, afterwards I was more anxious than usual and my fear of insanity was triggered. I have mild OCD and one of my obsessions, or what-if fears, is the possibility of losing my mind. I think this is the main reason (the mild OCD) why I cannot comfortably partake in, really, any substances (aside from occasional caffeine). Marijuana freaks me out and launches me into this horrible derealized, depersonalized headspace that is hard to shake.

So, anyway... I am very curious about DMT. I won't ever fucking try it, because I feel fairly sure that, if it did not actually mess me up mentally, it would probably set my anxiety off in a very bad way. But, a dream of mine would be to administer DMT to willing participants in controlled environments and observe/study their reactions.
 

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Right half of chart > Left half of chart.

Bottom right of chart > Top right of chart.

My ESFJ sister loves weed, and my INTJ dad adored LSD in the seventies. :D
 

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I just recently did DMT, well ... sort of.

Ayahuasca.

It was like watching TV. I got so little from the experience that it might as well have been a night of binge drinking. I just spent a lot of time closing my eyes and watching fractally stuff. I honestly much prefer LSD. I actually feel like I gained something from LSD but not from DMT (But maybe if I smoked DMT it would be a lot different.) I think I have reached the end of my justified experimentation with drugs now and any further intoxication is just for intoxication's sake and I probably won't learn much from it.
 

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I find DMT fascinating (haven't taken it though). I have a friend who has taken it, and as he described his experience I felt this deep, unsettling familiarity. I often fear I am too close to that frame of mind as it is... I don't like to alter my perceptions in any serious way, as I am very susceptible to anxiety. I need to maintain a grasp of my own sense of self.

So, anyway... I am very curious about DMT. I won't ever fucking try it, because I feel fairly sure that, if it did not actually mess me up mentally, it would probably set my anxiety off in a very bad way.

Yep. I know what you mean.

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My mind shits itself enough on its own. Even caffeine can be too much sometimes. First time I had a coffee I was shaking uncontrollably for hours. Coke's given me panic attacks. (And by coke I mean the soda.) I'm naturally pretty amped at times - insane, bouncing off the walls kind of amped - and a lot of the time being in any kind of unfamiliar environment (ie anywhere that isn't home) sends my brain haywire because there are too many signals for it to take in at once.

Overstimulation, basically. It's as if the world is made up of lines and lines and lines of code a mile high, stacked in so many layers, creating this matrix (heh) that surrounds and looms over us all, and my brain tries to latch on to the whole but can only grasp a few little corners at a time, and all the while I feel like I'm about to be swallowed up by the mountain of data and energy around me. I can almost *feel* my mind stretching forward and backward in all dimensions, pulled so thin it's about to snap, and things seem to distort around me. Not necessarily my actual perception - it's mostly in how it hits me. There's a bit of paranoia, that something isn't right... though that isn't quite correct either, that's too human a way of putting it. Like the signals are going to all the wrong receptors and making all the wrong conclusions, all this misdirection. I *know* what I'm seeing is a busker playing violin, but he's all at once a sinister figure, an angel, a demon, a metaphor for human existence, every human archetype he's been in his life, some absurdly random misidentification my brain comes up with, me, personification of emotion, a marketing scheme, etc etc etc. The violin is incredibly complex code all by itself, the music even more so. I suppose it's like my brain tries to see each point in reality from every other point in reality simultaneously, and that's terrifying in itself, but my failure to comprehend and the incredible weight of the data pressing on me is terrifying as well.

Grocery stores are cruelly evil places. Within about 10 minutes the lines of code start warping my brain and I begin feeling like a small whimpering child. Body folds in on self, becomes small and humble and pleading. It's almost as if someone else takes over.

The main problem with all this is the emotional experience that goes along with it. Like being continually immersed in alien emotions that are too big in scope for me to handle. And constant glimpses into the underlying structure of reality which I suspect is very, very alien to our everyday perceptions. A near constant sense of that which lies 'behind the veil'. There are some times when I experience life in a normal, 3D/4D way and it's always such a (pleasant) shock to feel how flat and cardboard-like life can be. I do feel a bit sad, like I'm missing something. But it definitely feels as if something has been turned off, as if the back of my brain has shut down, and only the front is alive and experiencing and living. It's very relaxing - no more whirring, and the world feels so much quieter. But I feel as if I've been 'deactivated'.

So yeah, when people start talking about drugs and the amazing experiences they give you, it creeps me out a little. Too close to home. Altering my state of consciousness even more than it already is - no thanks. It's really fascinating but I don't think I'd be able to control the fear or extreme stimulation, and I probably wouldn't get over it for a long time. It would mess with me for ages. I experience a lot of cold terror because of what's at the corner of my consciousness. It's like being bathed in cold sweat all the time but without the actual sweat, just the coolness and a feeling of light washing over me, cold clinical light mixed with starlight, like an exotic spice, like frozen chilli. It's very interesting and I love it in some ways but it's also important to me to, as you said, keep a grasp on myself and on reality, because I sort of feel like I'm standing on the brink. The brink of the brink, anyway. :p I'm learning how to walk away though, that's quite fun too. A lot of it has come from simply realising that I have racing thoughts, and if I can just pay enough attention to untangle them, I get a good idea of what my brain is trying to say, instead of just the terrified puddle of mush and eerie insights at the end.

I've also started to realise that my brain has lost some ability to selectively pay attention. Brains are supposed to prioritise naturally, which gives form/order/direction to your life. But because mine sucks at that now, my perception is affected as well - it sort of zooms lurchily towards and away from objects at random, with no obvious relevance to my life. It's manifested in other ways as well, like decreased skill at smart/efficient decision-making - instead of my brain quickly and effortlessly laying out all the variables in order of importance, it hobbles around like a cripple and chooses insignificant and random ones, then latches on tenaciously and messes up all my plans. Makes me think it must be an illness of sorts (in that it has a common root) - probably habit, so hopefully I can train myself out of this.

The whole machine elves thing sounds so cool though. :/

(Does any of this sound like what you mean? I'd be interested to hear more; you can PM me if you want or just leave it here.)

Also, DMT is produced in small amounts in the brain, right? I think it, or its excess production, is hypothesised to be responsible for a lot of shaman/religious experiences throughout history. Maybe something akin to whatever causes those altered states is a bit overactive in some of us.

Maybe I'll repost this somewhere and make a thread out of it. It'd be interesting to hear about everyone else's 'natural drug' experiences.
 

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I just recently did DMT, well ... sort of.

Ayahuasca.

It was like watching TV. I got so little from the experience that it might as well have been a night of binge drinking. I just spent a lot of time closing my eyes and watching fractally stuff. I honestly much prefer LSD. I actually feel like I gained something from LSD but not from DMT (But maybe if I smoked DMT it would be a lot different.) I think I have reached the end of my justified experimentation with drugs now and any further intoxication is just for intoxication's sake and I probably won't learn much from it.
Where the hell did you go to get some of that?
 

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My own brain produces substances you normals will never be able to manufacture. ;)

I know it does no good to say it, but I will anyway: Don't do it. The number of people who truly benefit from a psychedelic high, and walk away without damage. You are capable of incredible insights on your own--you ARE INTPs, after all.
 

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My own brain produces substances you normals will never be able to manufacture. ;)

I know it does no good to say it, but I will anyway: Don't do it. The number of people who truly benefit from a psychedelic high, and walk away without damage. You are capable of incredible insights on your own--you ARE INTPs, after all.

Are any of those substances beneficial to the host? :D
 
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