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A career in HR

Sirach2:5

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I find myself in a weird situation as a INFJ INTP fence sitter. My F or T is extremely ambiguous as I am only 2 points one way or the other. I carry allot of INTP traits but also INFJ ones. As an INFJ I am spiritual and want to help others and have visions for the future like to wright and often question my existence more than anyone I know. However as an INTP any attempt to help people could be rather blunt and to the logical point I love knowledge work in bursts am messy love analyzing theories and deduction of situations. There are times I like to be spontaneous and times I like to plan. I feel I am allot like Sherlock Holmes but with an INFJ side.

The big thing is I don't get much enjoyment out of numbers like most intp's do. I like analyzing by theory situations and human nature than by math.

Because of this I wonder if HR would be right for me as I analyze policies and situations and come up with solutions and ways to solve the problems maybe as an HR as opposed to spending numbers.

Any INTPs ever find themselves in a similar situation?
 

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I believe you're an INFJ, who have a great affinity for INTP's and likewise. Conversely I thought I was an INFJ in my teens. Basically it's a tertiary/inferior attraction. The tests are difficult because you have to disambiguate what you are versus what you like, or what you want.

HR would be perfect for an INFJ.
 

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all of that talking about helping out. you sound like an adaptive type (preferring extroverted perception & subjective judgement).

if you would have said "i dream of guiding people trough their spiritual challenges" you would sound more directive (preferring introverted perception & extroverted judgement).

if you wanted to guide people through anything (even if it's just diet or joga) you have to communicate judgements confidently. if you say "heads up, you will do this" the other people must involuntarily feel inclined to believe that you know, what you are talking about. 'oh, if you say so, i will make it.' but adaptive types are like 'consider this or that possibility, you might make it, but avoid this and that and 100 other pitfalls'.

i believe the planning/spontaneous dichotomy does not apply to every day actions in J/P intuitives, even less to NFs. Se types are spontaneous about every day situations, Si types feel a need to plan, about the details of everyday life, to guarantee quality.

but directive types are generally more goal oriented in life, as much as they may be busy refining their goals, which may feel like they are not certain, they won't forget about the problem or challenge of goal orientation.

their goals don't involve joining a club and being inspired by the needs of the club, to deliver contributions, like the goals of adaptives. directives have their own goals and perhaps they will let other people in on their progamm.

adaptive types have subjective goals, they want to redefine who they are and dream of becoming universally capable, like a pocket knife, which is of course impossible to achieve, but understanding typologie is for me (adaptive type) one of those pocket knifes that may help me in every context. adaptive types want to work and function inside of a shared-values or shared-project context. for the most part they would focus on proposing minor changes about the method - if they don't like the overall goal of the context, they will want to leave it.

directive types would not only like to see changes in public values or projects, they are willing to propose such changes any time, even against a certain amount of resistance. they are the ones who define the goal of any social or work related context in the first place. they communicate it to everyone.

if my theory is correct, it's not hard for us to know if we are directive or adaptive, i think. you just have to understand that sensor goals and intuitive goals look a little bit different.


"as I analyze policies and situations and come up with solutions and ways to solve the problems"

policies? are you a religious ISFJ?
using tertiary Ti to analyse the detail of managing practical details?

"spiritually questioning my existence"

such questioning is usually directed at subjective positions (at introverted functions) and provoked by objective observations (extroverted functions)

what aspect of your autonomy is most questionable?

your free will? Fi questioned by Ne and Te. you can only want good things, you don't get to say what amounts to being good (it's unconsciously obvious to you) and available though. so circumstances define your cravings and interests, which make up your identity. (infp crisis)

your plans? Ti questioned by Ne and Fe. you can only believe in plausible strategies, but possibilities and values leave deliver only one possibility that remains as the most plausible, so circumstances define your mind, which makes up your identity. (intp crisis)

the meaning and value of your dream? Ni questioned by Se and Je. the questioning of meaning of a path might involve thoughts or feelings like; "but my life is meaningless without you, lover, father, jesus, god, mein führer, my people, i shall kill myself if you won't recognize me as your lover or your leader or if they don't recognize me as your prophet" (infj crisis)

The substance and value of your routines and lifestyle? Si questioned by Je and Ne. similarly to Ni, Si is questioned by how it may serve to contribute the agendas of Je and the possibilities of Ne. but Si routine and style are not so much like a Ni dream, which weaves in a greater context to create meaning, but is attempting to weave in opportunities and common interests to construct a greater process of functionality.
 

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I believe you're an INFJ, who have a great affinity for INTP's and likewise. Conversely I thought I was an INFJ in my teens. Basically it's a tertiary/inferior attraction. The tests are difficult because you have to disambiguate what you are versus what you like, or what you want.

HR would be perfect for an INFJ.

Thanks I feel like my motives are that of an infj but my mannerisms are that of an intp.
 

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>question my existence more than anyone I know

how often do other people question their existence? we can only know, if they talk about it. do you talk about it?

who talks about it? most people don't admit to doubts in most contexts.

i believe adaptive types are most likely to do it, due to their questioning force being not only inferior but extroverted reasoning, logical or ethical, so it's well suited for personal dialogues or discussion.

nevertheless i know directive types who publicly ask Je questions related to existential doubts. they are more likely to phrase questions in a personal manner. like 'why do i hate myself, why does everything seem so empty and useless?' (Fe version, no Fi understanding) or worse 'why are you so useless?' (INTJ version, hope you catch my humor)

it's like: why am i not a leader, a shining light upon myself and others?

an adaptive type would rather ask the question in generalized manner. like 'is it even possible for life to have meaning, what does meaning even mean?' or 'how can a person feel useful, given up overpopulated world the world is and how much you know about it, so you always know someone who is better than you?'

it's like: why am i unable to find my place in the world? what is the point of being here?
 

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>question my existence more than anyone I know

how often do other people question their existence? we can only know, if they talk about it. do you talk about it?

who talks about it? most people don't admit to doubts in most contexts.

i believe adaptive types are most likely to do it, due to their questioning force being not only inferior but extroverted reasoning, logical or ethical, so it's well suited for personal dialogues or discussion.

nevertheless i know directive types who publicly ask Je questions related to existential doubts. they are more likely to phrase questions in a personal manner. like 'why do i hate myself, why does everything seem so empty and useless?' (Fe version, no Fi understanding) or worse 'why are you so useless?' (INTJ version, hope you catch my humor)

it's like: why am i not a leader, a shining light upon myself and others?

an adaptive type would rather ask the question in generalized manner. like 'is it even possible for life to have meaning, what does meaning even mean?' or 'how can a person feel useful, given up overpopulated world the world is and how much you know about it, so you always know someone who is better than you?'

it's like: why am i unable to find my place in the world? what is the point of being here?

I guess to answer you, an eample of the questions I ask is not if I have a meaning or not but rather what is my meaning or what path should I take to best serve that meaning. What path should I take to be the best I can be.
 

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Thanks I feel like my motives are that of an infj but my mannerisms are that of an intp.


Motives trump mannerisms. Plus, INFJ's have a strong tendency to chameleon those around them, or those they admire. At least in my experience. The INFJ I married has become more "INTP-like" since we've been together.
 

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Motives trump mannerisms. Plus, INFJ's have a strong tendency to chameleon those around them, or those they admire. At least in my experience. The INFJ I married has become more "INTP-like" since we've been together.

Sounds about right
 

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I find myself in a weird situation as a INFJ INTP fence sitter. My F or T is extremely ambiguous as I am only 2 points one way or the other. I carry allot of INTP traits but also INFJ ones. As an INFJ I am spiritual and want to help others and have visions for the future like to wright and often question my existence more than anyone I know. However as an INTP any attempt to help people could be rather blunt and to the logical point I love knowledge work in bursts am messy love analyzing theories and deduction of situations. There are times I like to be spontaneous and times I like to plan. I feel I am allot like Sherlock Holmes but with an INFJ side.

The big thing is I don't get much enjoyment out of numbers like most intp's do. I like analyzing by theory situations and human nature than by math.

Because of this I wonder if HR would be right for me as I analyze policies and situations and come up with solutions and ways to solve the problems maybe as an HR as opposed to spending numbers.

Any INTPs ever find themselves in a similar situation?

Hmmm... well, none of us can know for certain what your type might be, but I just wanted to point out that all the INFJs I've met are extremely, extremely intelligent, logical, prefer to be "to the point," and tend to be ridiculously good at taking apart and putting back together, different social situations as well as certain mechanical systems that would increase their understanding of their art. I consistently learn a lot from listening to INFJs in a way that is far more reliable than for most types.

Also, the actor who plays Sherlock Holmes on the currently trending BBC version of the classic character, is popularly thought to be an INFJ. (Although I don't hold much, if any stock in the accuracy of popular opinion.) I do think Benedict Cumberbatch is an INFJ playing Sherlock as an INTP though.

My dad had a pretty identifiable NT "style" of relating to the world, and he was not interested in numbers either. He did well with them, but it wasn't his passion. The two or three other extremely NT NTs that I've met before were likewise not interested in math or science. Other systems of knowledge caught their interests early on in their lives instead, and they pursued those systems relentlessly. I've seen tested and confirmed NFJs dedicate themselves this relentlessly too. Conversely, the person who inspired my interest in physics was a teacher who was probably an INFP, ISFP, or (maybe) a very Fe-oriented INTP, so I don't think that an interest in numbers is what separates the NTs from the NFs.

In Kiersey and Bates' book, Please Understand Me, the authors mention that F and T aren't dramatic polarizers between the types compared to sensing, judging, and intro/extroversion, and that ordinary people in general will shift back and forth between their thoughts and feelings. So how strong is your "P?" When I compare myself to my INFJ friends or teachers, that P of mine versus their J makes my process of wandering around in life quite a bit different from theirs.

Also, as a probable INTP (I sometimes test as INFP too), I cringe at the idea of having to spend my life slogging through a career in HR. I think my INFJ friends/acquaintances would find that kind of social problem solving very fulfilling though. Most of them already found careers in which they do that on a daily basis. I've always admired it, but have a hard time understanding how they can do it and love it too.
 

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Fuck it, there is no "career" especially not in "human relations".
 
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