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I think that in celebration of some recent 420-friendly members (420munkey, dude2k5... and I'm sure there's others) we should have a 420 celebration thread. Yaaaaaaay!
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Ahhhh I haven't smoked in weeks (I gave in while I was back with my friends for Halloween). Best drug in the world. :smoker:
 

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@ Flow- Pshh.. I haven't smoke in months!
7? I believe. Last time I actually attempted to watch Fear and Loathing. I remember nothing except Jonny Depp.. in a.. bath tub??? :confused:
 

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Lol I love that movie. "You took too much man, you took too much too much." Fucking trippy as hell. If I had it my way I'd be legally smoking every night after a long day.. such a great way to unwind, relax, and reflect.

This thread really should have come into existence in April, around the 20th.
 

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I agree.

Well.. I guess this thread would have been more fitting around April 20th.. but really.. why wait? :D
 

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Lol, I don't smoke, but those are funny.
 

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I'd never consider smoking pot. First, it's illegal, and secondly, I will not take the chance of dependence or memory/cognitive damage. And I don't understand when smart people smoke pot. I really don't.
 

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I figure I'll totally get into this when I'm ancient and senile and have enough cancer and brain damage already. :D
By then it'll probably be legal, anyways.
 

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Haha, I actually don't get why smart people DON'T smoke. It's great for any intuitive type person. It's mind stimulating/thought provoking, and honestly I don't believe it's very damaging. I ain't scared. I know plenty of people who've spent lifetimes smoking and are still intellectual there, no cognitive damage done. I think if you're spending all day everyday smokin' you're fucking up, but to smoke at the end of the night is perfectly alright (and recommended). :D
 

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@Dormouse, here's a link to look at: http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer

But even though there's some research that suggests pot doesn't cause cancer, you *should* be wary of inhaling smoked plant material! There's tar produced in it. Nasty. That's why a lot of potheads smoke out of bubblers, bongs or vaporizers. Vaporizers reduce the risk of cancer to zero. (This is me just using common sense- with a vaporizer you're only inhaling vaporized THC and a few other chemicals. But none of them have been burnt and turned into tar.)

As for cognitive & memory problems- those go away with abstinence from pot. The longest they will stay in a month, and it can go away faster if you drink lots of water and exercise. (You should drink lots of water anyway if you exercise.)

Nick, Illegal and Legal are not the same thing as Right and Wrong. You should keep in mind the consequences of breaking the law, but don't let laws determine your moral compass.
 

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The studies that suggest brain damage from using cannabis were tragically flawed (a fact that's often disregarded as they are cited by cannabis critics). The methodology they used for determining 'brain damage' was by putting a mask on monkeys and forcing them to breathe nothing but cannabis smoke. The damage exhibited is exactly that which would be expected from suffocation.
 

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Nick, Illegal and Legal are not the same thing as Right and Wrong. You should keep in mind the consequences of breaking the law, but don't let laws determine your moral compass.

I agree! I guess I was too succinct. I mean that among the things that are Right is loyalty to one's country, and that includes abiding by civil laws. So, except in circumstances like if the government doesn't have the right to the illegalization (that's vague but I'm feeling lazy), illegal actions are also wrong just because the government says so.
 

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I agree! I guess I was too succinct. I mean that among the things that are Right is loyalty to one's country, and that includes abiding by civil laws. So, except in circumstances like if the government doesn't have the right to the illegalization (that's vague but I'm feeling lazy), illegal actions are also wrong just because the government says so.
In America, being loyal to one's country means standing up for it's principles, even if that means civil descent.
 

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I don't smoke, because it does bad things to your lungs. Not that other toxins don't, but I do what I can. I would rather consume it in a more straightforward manner. But then, I get a tad irritated when I lose mental clarity.
 

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In America, being loyal to one's country means standing up for it's principles, even if that means civil descent.
In any country, being loyal means following the laws, when they are just laws. As far as I can see, the illegalization of marijuana is a just law, though I don't hold this opinion very strongly. Either way, I like to give the government the benefit of the doubt. Civil disobedience is not something to engage in lightly.

It's kinda nice to have people respond to my marijuana concerns rather than dismiss them, as could potentially happen elsewhere. :D
 

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I don't smoke, because it does bad things to your lungs. Not that other toxins don't, but you do what you can. I would rather consume it in a more straightforward manner. But then, I get a tad irritated when I lose mental clarity.
Sorry, but I can't help but correct you. I noticed you said 'Toxins', when the active compound of marijuana is THC which is astonishingly non-toxic. There have been no reported deaths from THC (keep in mind that it's not very uncommon for people to die from taking too much aspirin). The estimated THC required to kill someone (~1500 pounds of cannabis in 15 minutes) is astronomically high and practically impossible to achieve.
 

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In any country, being loyal means following the laws, when they are just laws. As far as I can see, the illegalization of marijuana is a just law

Oh my. You think in a free country the ownership and enjoyment of plants should be illegal? How do you feel about alcohol?
 

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Oh my. You think in a free country the ownership and enjoyment of plants should be illegal? Do you also support the prohibition of alcohol, or do you think alcohol is justly legal? Standing by laws simply because their laws is highly unintuitive. You're basically saying that every law as it stands is perfect, and nothing should ever be changed. A very, very conservative claim.
I never said I thought all laws were just. America's got some huge legislative issues.

I've heard the comparison between alcohol and marijuana before, and I don't have a ready answer. It's not a topic I discuss or think about a lot. So you guys can go ahead and ignore me; I'm conceding that point for the time being.
 

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...then back to the celebration! I really hope California gets the ball rolling next year, legalization is long overdue. :beatyou:
 

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...then back to the celebration! I really hope California gets the ball rolling next year, legalization is long overdue. :beatyou:
Decriminalization at the very least. It doesn't make any sense to lock up pot-heads. It's a waste of taxpayer money. Unfortunately, I don't predict any changes on it's legal status. There's too much inexplicable ignorance and prejudice of it.

Seriously though, I've been trying to come up with the reason people don't like pot, and I'll I've been able to come up with is that people didn't realize it was a racist law when it was enacted and built up a completely new stereotype of it's users, followed by a prejudice of that stereotype causing them to perpetuate it as true. I don't know though, it's a very complicated mess of ignorance, prejudice, and misinformation :storks:
 

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Public opinion has slowly but surely been improving, couple that with the abysmal state of the economy and the billions of dollars that could be made and it's hard for any rational person to argue against it. It needs to be legalized and taxed, simple enough. Also, think of the impact that would create on organized crime. Marijuana has long since been the cash cow for criminals, they'd have to find more legitimate means to make money. It makes sense no matter what angle you look at it from.
 

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Public opinion has slowly but surely been improving, couple that with the abysmal state of the economy and the billions of dollars that could be made and it's hard for any rational person to argue against it. It needs to be legalized and taxed, simple enough. Also, think of the impact that would creat on organized crime. Marijuana has long since been the cash cow for criminals, they'd have to find more legitimate means to make money. It makes sense no matter what angle you look at it from.
Also don't forget the plight of the American industrial hemp farmer, as it is currently illegal to grow industrial hemp (but perfectly legal to import it, ridiculous eh?). The number of products that can be made with hemp is matched only by high fructose corn syrup.

Personally, I think the only way to break the spell of ignorance on the American population is to create a very informative (while still entertaining) PSA and playing them nationwide once during the Superbowl and once during a season finale of American Idol (as I assume that would cover pretty much everyone currently obvious to such information).
 

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Sorry, but I can't help but correct you. I noticed you said 'Toxins', when the active compound of marijuana is THC which is astonishingly non-toxic. There have been no reported deaths from THC (keep in mind that it's not very uncommon for people to die from taking too much aspirin). The estimated THC required to kill someone (~1500 pounds of cannabis in 15 minutes) is astronomically high and practically impossible to achieve.

Smoke + Lungs = Not Good.
 

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Smoke + Lungs = Not Good.
Well of course inhaling heated plant matter has the possibility for damage, but that's assuming you choose the smoking method of ingestion and that you use a smoking device that doesn't filter the smoke. Any idiot with an empty milk jug can make a gravity bong that will minimize the 'damage' to the point that it's no worse than getting a whiff of car exhaust, so it's not like you even have to buy a new pipe to be healthy.
 

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Toxin = Car exhaust, pollution. Smoke is also a sort of toxin.

My post make sense now?
 
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Toxin = Car exhaust, pollution. Smoke is also a sort of toxin.

My post make sense now?
I was using 'car exhaust', as it's ambient toxicity we all experience daily that is so minimal it's hardly worth mentioning. Every breath you take is likely to be somewhat toxic.
 

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It needs to be legalized and taxed, simple enough. Also, think of the impact that would create on organized crime. Marijuana has long since been the cash cow for criminals, they'd have to find more legitimate means to make money. It makes sense no matter what angle you look at it from.

Which is cheaper for the consumer? Legal, taxed marijuana? Or illegal, untaxed marijuana?

Legalizing marijuana would not get rid of organized crime.
 

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No but it might help cut the revenue stream.

On another note, 4/20 is my birthday, how brilliant is that?!
 

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Which is cheaper for the consumer? Legal, taxed marijuana? Or illegal, untaxed marijuana?

Legalizing marijuana would not get rid of organized crime.
Illegal, untaxed marijuana surely is cheap- but there are high costs and risks associated with growing weed. A lot of grow fields in Oregon, Washington, Idaho and California have been shut down. They have multi-thousand (like, more than $100 thousand) costs in being set up. The cartels can still stand to make a profit though, because of the inflated prohibition cost of weed. A lot of what I'm paying for with my weed is a series of middle men, my dealer being the one middle-man that I see. Distribution costs are higher because there's risk involved.

I absolutely think it would be cheaper, even if it was taxed.

Not to mention if it was legalized- I could grow it in my backyard, maybe pay taxes, and smoke very cheaply.
 

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I forgot a really really awesome link!
LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. They're a group of police, sheriffs, drug warriors and other government figures who have decided that the drug war is bullshit.
Their site: http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
A really good introductory video:
YouTube- Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

also... i guess it's *technically* a double-post, but they were seperated by multiple hours. :D
 

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I used to be one of those people that smoked all day everyday. It was no good started getting extremely paranoid.

After 2 yrs of not smoking, I went and bought a 'probation-is-over-celebration-bag.' No tolerance + KB = 1 hit and quit (out of a sherlock mind you). I smoked w/ a friend took about 5 monster hits. I tell you I've never been so high in my life, it was like being drunk with the spins. I nearly puked :D

I'm not sure this is something I want to get back into. With college coming to a close soon and my track record, I don't think its worth it. Sadly, I need things from people who are against it (job) so I can't really smoke.

Maybe one day when I am the president of my own multi-million dollar company...

To those of you who smoke, I salute you. I'm pretty sure that's how it went:p
 

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I don't have lung cancer.
Because I don't smoke... Anything. :s
Though it would be funny for a smoker to go to smoking pot and it clear up their lung cancer. I've heard and seen pretty much every claim that could possibly be made about a substance made about pot though.

It's not like it's going to make a difference. I don't smoke. It's not my style.

I'll just stop posting after this.
 
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Good idea, you're totally bumming out the celebration.

Best album to smoke to: Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
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Good idea, you're totally bumming out the celebration.

Best album to smoke to: Chronic 2001 by Dr. Dre
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Ah yes, those were some of last years that produced 'rap' music that was actually somewhat decent imo.

My favorite album to smoke to:
Album: Melody A.M.
Artist: Röyksopp
Year: 2002
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Hmmm, really? I have that album but I've never smoked to it... I shall remember this. Ever listen to LCD Soundsystem? His album 'Sound of Silver' blows my mind when I'm high.. Every single time.
 

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Hmmm, really? I have that album but I've never smoked to it... I shall remember this. Ever listen to LCD Soundsystem? His album 'Sound of Silver' blows my mind when I'm high.. Every single time.
I remember having heard and enjoyed a few tracks, but never actually got around to 'acquiring' a full album.

Right now I'm 'acquiring' the DTS version of 'Sound of Silver' and the FLAC version of the self titled album. I'll let you know how I like em :D
 

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Really good stoner album:[bimgx=500]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Ratatatcover.jpg[/bimgx]
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I want to try it, but I'm too much of a coward. It isn't that I'm scared of lung cancer or getting schizophrenia or anything, I am just terrified that touching drugs even just once will turn me into a different person, I like who I am now and I am safe being me. The risk may be low, but I have everything to lose.

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I want to try it, but I'm too much of a coward. It isn't that I'm scared of lung cancer or getting schizophrenia or anything, I am just terrified that touching drugs even just once will turn me into a different person, I like who I am now and I am safe being me. The risk may be low, but I have everything to lose.

From what I've experienced, alongside the relaxed, good mood, you tend to space out and think more.

So, you could say you become more you... :smiley_emoticons_mr
 

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Agreed with Causless.
 

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yep, it induces introspection.
 

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the first time I ever did it was on a weekend, and on monday this girl I knew told me I had changed over the weekend after I had a conversation with her. it was strange because I couldn't tell what was different about myself.

At least with me, there is certainly a change in behaviour afterwards. this only lasts relative to the amount of weed smoked though. the longest I have ever been 'different' was about a month, after I did waterfalls three days in a row.
 

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Everyone does psychedelic drugs, but few are even aware they do. A very powerful hallucinogen called DMT is produced in the pineal gland in your brain. Fear not what you can do to your mind, fear what your mind can do to you! :rolleyes::smoker:
 

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420 woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
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