25 years to realize thi simple fact.

[WALKYRIA]

I long had this feeling that only creative outlets could make me happy; but now it's becoming clearer and clearer that really I'm just a creative guy, and all I really needed to be happy is pretty much three things: moderately well paying but simple job, some loving and interesting surrounding and MUCH time for creative outlets( applying ideas in the real world). For 7 long years I've been climbing multiple educational mountains just to realize this simple fact. I'm different- or perhaps I have a different approach to life- and there's not much thing I can do about it; I could go counter mainstream but that's a losing game... I went in "academy" mainly because I sought for likeminded people (not because of some passion for science fuck that... it's a bias, academic science is a fallacy..) but never found them; and eventually I found likeminded on forums but I admit it's not as fullfiling and exciting as in real life.

Anyway, I understand that as a young and talented INTP you seek loads of money, your mind makes you think about those things you can have and become; you hear about people who made it; people praise you for your great ideas so you go for it in a desire of pleasing/ be respected by your nearest family and friends... But all you have really is that: great ideas and great analytical skills, not much else sadly. You see, out there, there are some equally gifted people BUT with boni: they are much less creative and thus are enabled to be socially competent and well-adjusted, conforming and can command hard work in a way you cannot even envision. They don't have that flourishing internal world that you have though; so they must compensate IRL ! THEY are most certainly going to become moderately rich(financially, the rest might certainly look boring !), not you, u don't need it... U could pass the test, get good grades but at the end no one cares, the reality is that you will most certainly fail the job out of boredom, hop job after job and will alienate your bosses and your coworkers. Believe me, that same creativity you pride yourself for will get you down; creativity has become deleterious in our hardworking and numb society... You see creativity demands time, depth, inspiration, introspection and exploration... high level schooling and the rich-mindset demand hard work and discipline, thus tolerance for boredom.

U see INTP; nobody ever tells you this in clear terms so after high school you find yourself hesitantly following the herd of sheep through college and grad school but deep inside you know that something is off, you live a double life, wear multiple masks... you eventually come to realize the fallacy by yourself ..; and slowly, burn-outs after burn-outs, bore-outs after bore-outs, through trials and tribulations... you finally open your eyes and realize... you realize that creative people just don't get rich in this world, actually they never aspired to it ; or if they ever became rich- which is exceptional - it was more because of chance or because of some great connections and ideas they had. Again, normal people become rich through hard work and some academic gifts they have because that's the only way they have, the only way they know. Creative people just don't !

I somehow wished I'd knew this before; But I couldn't have known before I tried... I needed to know if I were or could become anything other than just an artistic scientist; I needed to know if conformity was tolerable for me. Now I know, 25 years later and additionally I know myself much better also. Which is the greatest thing. I hope you'll have more chance and arrive earlier to the conclusion- starting point.


What about other INTPs?

 

[TBerg]

If someone is a genius, they can be rich while conserving their interior life. Sadly there are not very many creative people on that level. There are very few Einsteins, and many more people handing out pamphlets on the street or doing what I am doing on an internet forum.

 

[Analyzer]

I agree for the most part, I think the hardest part or most key is to find a balance between yourself and the world(real life). Maybe finding a simple job that doesn't demand much in the mean time so you can pursue your true interests on the side. To me that's a possibility for the short run, but I am not sure how I could sustain that in the long term. Seems like it would get boring or redundant. Another option is to not focus so much on a "Career" and pursue income producing activities to earn a living. Make money by doing random shit basically.

How do you plan on applying your ideas in the real world?

 

[QuickTwist]

Like Marley said, "Money doesn't buy happiness."

 

[Pyropyro]

I long had this feeling that only creative outlets could make me happy; but now it's becoming clearer and clearer that really I'm just a creative guy, and all I really needed to be happy is pretty much three things: moderately well paying but simple job, some loving and interesting surrounding and MUCH time for creative outlets( applying ideas in the real world). For 7 long years I've been climbing multiple educational mountains just to realize this simple fact. I'm different- or perhaps I have a different approach to life- and there's not much thing I can do about it; I could go counter mainstream but that's a losing game... I went in "academy" mainly because I sought for likeminded people (not because of some passion for science fuck that... it's a bias, academic science is a fallacy..) but never found them; and eventually I found likeminded on forums but I admit it's not as fullfiling and exciting as in real life.

People romanticize the sciences way too much. You need to work and study very hard to produce innovative tech. Sometimes it takes even decades for you to see the fruits of your labor.

Anyway, I understand that as a young and talented INTP you seek loads of money, your mind makes you think about those things you can have and become; you hear about people who made it; people praise you for your great ideas so you go for it in a desire of pleasing/ be respected by your nearest family and friends... But all you have really is that: great ideas and great analytical skills, not much else sadly. You see, out there, there are some equally gifted people BUT with boni: they are much less creative and thus are enabled to be socially competent and well-adjusted, conforming and can command hard work in a way you cannot even envision. They don't have that flourishing internal world that you have though; so they must compensate IRL ! THEY are most certainly going to become moderately rich(financially, the rest might certainly look boring !), not you, u don't need it... U could pass the test, get good grades but at the end no one cares, the reality is that you will most certainly fail the job out of boredom, hop job after job and will alienate your bosses and your coworkers. Believe me, that same creativity you pride yourself for will get you down; creativity has become deleterious in our hardworking and numb society... You see creativity demands time, depth, inspiration, introspection and exploration... high level schooling and the rich-mindset demand hard work and discipline, thus tolerance for boredom.

Connections can be established and social skills can be practiced. Nothing stops you from doing so.

How can you say that they have an uncolorful internal world? Have you been within their minds?

As for boredom, find something that can make your blood boil. Walk in the risky path between glory and utter ruin. I'm facing top academic and government officials every time and it scares the wits out of me but it still makes my blood boil which is an awesome feeling.

U see INTP; nobody ever tells you this in clear terms so after high school you find yourself hesitantly following the herd of sheep through college and grad school but deep inside you know that something is off, you live a double life, wear multiple masks... you eventually come to realize the fallacy by yourself ..; and slowly, burn-outs after burn-outs, bore-outs after bore-outs, through trials and tribulations... you finally open your eyes and realize... you realize that creative people just don't get rich in this world, actually they never aspired to it ; or if they ever became rich- which is exceptional - it was more because of chance or because of some great connections and ideas they had. Again, normal people become rich through hard work and some academic gifts they have because that's the only way they have, the only way they know. Creative people just don't !

Creative people can be rich. They have the ability to adapt and become rich. I was bothered before when I saw people who are really good with one thing and become successful until it hit me: Creative people are great at being hybrids!

Perhaps we can't become great doctors, great scientists or great lawyers like these "one thing people" but who cares? We have the ability that no one else can emulate!

My mentors are all hybrids: a lawyer-scientist-doctorate, a technopreneur-engineer-doctorate and a consultant-NGO director-doctorate. These creative people are all highly sought after on their fields since they're the only ones who can do what they can.

I somehow wished I'd knew this before; But I couldn't have known before I tried... I needed to know if I were or could become anything other than just an artistic scientist; I needed to know if conformity was tolerable for me. Now I know, 25 years later and additionally I know myself much better also. Which is the greatest thing. I hope you'll have more chance and arrive earlier to the conclusion- starting point.

You haven't even left the starting point yet and you already gave up? Besides, artistic-scientist is still possible. One of the people that we're working with is an accomplished engineer and one hell of a pianist.

What about other INTPs?

I'm still making my name and my specialization and figuring out how to use soft power to improve my status in life. I'm mixing being a researcher and a community developer. i'm planning to add law later in the mix.