㊙️ STEEL-MAN FACTORY

[LOGICZOMBIE]

a steel-man argument is the practice of presenting the strongest possible version of an opponent's argument

even stronger than they may have presented it themselves, to engage in a more robust and fair debate

present your best arguments

and i will build you a fully customized steel-man

㊙️ STEEL-MAN FACTORY

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[LOGICZOMBIE]

first order: build a steel-man supporting a full-scale invasion of russia

second order: build a steel-man supporting universal adoption of sharia law

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[Cognisant]

If anorexia is a form of body disphoria then being trans is a mental disorder.

 

[ZenRaiden]

first order: build a steel-man supporting a full-scale invasion of russia

You mean Like G7 invading Russia?

second order: build a steel-man supporting universal adoption of sharia law

I don't think I can this is law, and studying sharia law is not on my list, not even, remotely.

However Id could try building asteelman for Russia invasion.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I don't think I can this is law, and studying sharia law is not on my list, not even, remotely.

ok,

let's say we can agree that the primary function of a legal code is to improve social unity and to maintain a peaceful and functional society where the maximum number of citizens have adequate food, clothing, and shelter

ok,

is sharia law superior in any way to the available alternatives ?

probably not

so,

since sharia law is not obviously superior based on its function
it would have to be argued that sharia law will make allah happy and or result in the maximum number of souls elevated to jannah

and,

before you can do this
you would have to make a convincing case that allah is a real thing and that making it happy is a worthwhile endeavor

which is pretty tough when the whole thing hinges on faith


your strongest case seems to be "argumentum ad baculum"

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

If anorexia is a form of body disphoria then being trans is a mental disorder.

If anorexia is considered a mental disorder because it involves a distorted perception of one's body and harmful behaviors to align with that perception, then gender dysphoria could also be seen as a mental disorder because it involves a distressing incongruence between one's experienced gender and assigned sex, potentially leading to significant psychological distress and impairment. Both conditions involve a conflict between one's internal identity and external reality, necessitating medical and psychological intervention.


see if you can spot the logical errors

 

[Old Things]

Deism is different from atheism.

 

[Old Things]

If anorexia is a form of body disphoria then being trans is a mental disorder.

If anorexia is considered a mental disorder because it involves a distorted perception of one's body and harmful behaviors to align with that perception, then gender dysphoria could also be seen as a mental disorder because it involves a distressing incongruence between one's experienced gender and assigned sex, potentially leading to significant psychological distress and impairment. Both conditions involve a conflict between one's internal identity and external reality, necessitating medical and psychological intervention.


see if you can spot the logical errors

Please spell it out.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Deism is different from atheism.

Deism would still go beyond empiricism and materialism, and I tend to endow an atheist with those beliefs unless they say otherwise.

When you say practical, do you mean the way they live their lives (because atheists and deists do not have any orthoprax traditions)?

It is possible that a deist may still believe in things often attributed with classical monotheism. Absolutes. Absolute good. Absolute truth. Absolute justice... I realize that atheists are not barred from these beliefs, but a Deist may more actively pursue these things if they believe the universe was created, and also believe that is was created for a reason. Put another way, a Deist may be more concerned with identifying their "purpose" and the "purpose" of consciousness and humanity itself. If they believe they have a reasonable understanding of such a purpose, they then may be compelled to convince others of their metaphysical logic and findings. Of course, I'm basing this on Deists from a couple of hundred years ago because I don't run into many today who are willing to lay out what they think they believe and/or know.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

Please spell it out.

i have no idea what you're talking about

 

[Old Things]

Please spell it out.

i have no idea what you're talking about

I'm asking you to spell out the logical errors (if there are any).

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I'm asking you to spell out the logical errors (if there are any).

mental disorders are not deduced

that's the false premise

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

I'm asking you to spell out the logical errors (if there are any).

also

it falsely conflates the terms "gender dysphoria" and "trans"

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

You mean Like G7 invading Russia?

yes

under what conditions do you think such an invasion would be justified ?

 

[Old Things]

mental disorders are not deduced

They aren't? How do we know if a person has a mental illness then? What about the DSM-V?

it falsely conflates the terms "gender dysphoria" and "trans"

This is true, but also shows that you were not actually steelmanning what was said.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

They aren't? How do we know if a person has a mental illness then? What about the DSM-V?

"Mental disorders are added or removed from the DSM-5 through a rigorous review process involving extensive research, expert consensus, and field trials conducted by the American Psychiatric Association."

in other words

it's a committee vote

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

This is true, but also shows that you were not actually steelmanning what was said.

it's a processes