Typology “Coursework”

[Architect]

New articles on Personality Junkie

... we realize that people are at different levels in their understanding of personality typing and Jungian/Myers-Briggs typology. For this reason, we have developed a sequence of articles to help bring you “up to speed” with regard to the various terms, language, and theoretical background used in typology circles and on this site:

Typology 101

The Eight Functions (Typology 201)

The Functional Stack (Typology 301)

The Inferior Function (Typology 401)

 

[TimeAsylums]

still lol'ing on S/N dichotomy : On the Bias Against Sensation

Anyway, Ne rock on!

Ne types often read extensively in order to acquire a broad or diverse understanding.

woop woop!!

I really think they should get a sensor spokesperson to write that half of the dichotomy.

But that's abstract, why would a sensor do that? //lol

anyway, onwords:

Observing... , smelling flowers, reading novels...are examples of Perceiving activities; are not concerned with actively shaping or controlling, but with absorbing life and information.

>_< Pretty much my life.

Our first rule is the dominant function for extraverted types (e.g., ENTP) is always an extraverted function (e.g., Ne). Since extraverted functions are observable from the outside (see Typology 201), we can determine the dominant function of an extravert directly through observation

I agree: except for the condition of Ne-dom, spotting intuitives is just...lol.
If that statement isn't clear enough: what I'm saying is, "We can determine the dominant function of an extravert directly through observation, except not as easily for Ne, I mean, how the hell?" Fe(dom), sure easy, Se(dom), sure easy, Te(dom) - a litttttle more difficult, but do-able, and than Ne(dom) - lol I guess if you've ruled out all the others it's what's left.

I am very glad he brings up this following point (because then we don't have to link people to I/E and reversing of J/P all the time):

Extraverted Types: * Reveal/extravert their dominant function
EJs reveal Te or Fe
EPs reveal Se or Ne
Introverted Types: *Conceal/introvert dominant function; reveal/extravert auxiliary.
IJs conceal Si or Ni, reveal Te or Fe.
IPs conceal Ti or Fi, reveal Se or Ne.

anyway, overall review
So the courses are numbered 100-400, which pretty much relates to an undergraduate education.
Excellent for newcomers, or a refresher, but is pretty much 99% MBTI (stated because the quote that @Architect said, it includes Jung), but that's irrelevant for like 95% of you so you can pass that. Not bad, I still respect Dr. Drenth, as he clearly shows full understanding of the MBTI system (If I didn't know any better, I'd say @Architect is pretty much at Drenth's level with MBTI).
However, those interested to move beyond that...(which I encourage everyone to do...), do go beyond that, if you don't care to read the books yourselves, after reading every article you can find on Personality Junkie, I recommend http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/ ignore the name, as I find it sort of repelling and frivolous, but they dig past the MBTI into Jung.


Ya know, so much easier to encourage the Ne's to read (Personality Junkie)

 

[Hadoblado]

I really think they should get a sensor spokesperson to write that half of the dichotomy.

 

[Spirit]

Recommended reading:

"Do What You Are" by Paul Tieger and Barbara Barron

If one has not determined their type, they will be much closer after reading this book. I have also read AJ Drenth's book as well. The combination of the two books confirmed I am on the right direction of the INTP personality. It also eliminates the need for this "I can be all cognitive functions" thought process. All 4 functions for each type give you more than enough "cognitive ability" to process information and provide an end result. Type theory is not 100% accurate but it will help give a solid framework to explore the possibilities of understanding.

 

[Architect]

I really think they should get a sensor spokesperson to write that half of the dichotomy.

That's a good idea. Problem is that S's don't seem to care about typology. Some of them (ENXJ's) are actively hostile to it. Maybe because they see a world ready-made for them, filled with people like them, ideas made for them and institutions catering to them (as the majority) they don't suffer the soul-searching the intuitives do. Which is why we cling to Typology so much (besides being a great theory.)

 

[Architect]

It also eliminates the need for this "I can be all cognitive functions" thought process. All 4 functions for each type give you more than enough "cognitive ability" to process information and provide an end result.

Nicely said! Too often there is the idea that a person needs to do it all, especially for the poor kids in school these days. Better is to recognize your strengths and capitalize on them.

Unfortunately I grew up with the "actualization theory" which says you need to be good at it all. Now in midlife I realized I was wasting my time trying to do things I'm not good at. So I don't bother trying to throw parties or think out loud at work.

 

[Spirit]

Nicely said! Too often there is the idea that a person needs to do it all, especially for the poor kids in school these days. Better is to recognize your strengths and capitalize on them.

Unfortunately I grew up with the "actualization theory" which says you need to be good at it all. Now in midlife I realized I was wasting my time trying to do things I'm not good at. So I don't bother trying to throw parties or think out loud at work.

I spent the better part of the first 30 years of my life doing the same thing. Now closing in on my 40's, I understand what I need to do. I think INTP's need not focus on specific careers as much as training that enhances our ability to analyse internally and recognize patterns. As long as I am focusing on that, I seem to do better at everything regardless of the subject.

I usually save up energy to be "extroverted" in those moments at work. I try to get them to meet me one on one. I never "entertain" because I know I will not have any energy for more important interactions. I am much stronger and "nicer" to the general population when most people leave me alone to think.

 

[axemblack]

@TimeAsylums - lol at the Ne circlejerk. The only thing that's even remotely difficult about typing Ne-doms is differentiating between ENTPs and INTPs.

 

[TimeAsylums]

@TimeAsylums - lol at the Ne circlejerk.\

Hey, PersonalityJunkie (Dr. Drenth) felt like complementing us, so I ran(Ne) with it

Oh and if you have any tips on spotting "Intuitives vs Sensors," I'm sure we'd all be glad to hear them -> http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=16683

ruh-roh...dealing with an Ni-dom...oh whew just an INFJ, yay for aux Fe and not INTJ...that comment could have hurt my feelings so much more! >_<

 

[axemblack]

Hey, PersonalityJunkie (Dr. Drenth) felt like complementing us, so I ran(Ne) with it

Oh and if you have any tips on spotting "Intuitives vs Sensors," I'm sure we'd all be glad to hear them -> http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=16683

ruh-roh...dealing with an Ni-dom...oh whew just an INFJ, yay for aux Fe and not INTJ...that comment could have hurt my feelings so much more! >_<

I responded a bit more high-handedly than was appropriate, but your casual dismissal that all other extroverted functions (except Ne, *gasp*) are easily recognizable just reeks of self-obsession and congratulation, and mirrors a lot of INFJs on here.

I had been planning on making a post in that thread but I find that speaking in generalities on S vs. N is hard to do, and going into too many specifics ends up looking scattered and arbitrary, but one example would be that ISTP's often appear much more "intuitive" in conversation than ENFPs.

 

[TimeAsylums]

I responded a bit more high-handedly than was appropriate, but your casual dismissal

Whoa whoa whoa whoa!! Hold your horses man! (another Ne joke)
Don't you think your looking into (too deep??) this a little too much?

casual dismissal

cheese. Because I, and others (just look at the spotting thread!) find other types 'easier' to spot/type does not mean I respect them less or anything, jesus.

reeks of self-obsession and congratulation

Seriously, you're looking too much into it man... I might give myself a pat on the back but that's it; this is weird, it's not often my word choice offends people - I imagine most NTs don't usually argue over too much logic, but it usually stems from a misunderstanding; in shorter words - jeez, you're misinterpreting me -however if you would like to interpret it as me being an extreme narcissist who sees everyone else beneath him, be my guest, I can't change your view of me.

Are you offended because I didn't say Ni was hard to spot? Obviously the extraverted function is the easier to spot man, so that's why I didn't say any introverted functions (but I'm assuming you already know this, but if you did, then what's the big deal)
Jeez, if you think it's easy to spot Ne doms just as easy as the rest just say so...->don't take it personally out on me...lol (plus, any of the 'compliments' I gave to Ne were pretty much linked directly from PersonJunkie..

@Architect maybe you were right, the INFJ might be hard to live with :/

 

[Architect]

@Architect maybe you were right, the INFJ might be hard to live with :/

Even my INFJ says so.

 

[axemblack]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa!! Hold your horses man! (another Ne joke)
Don't you think your looking into (too deep??) this a little too much?

cheese. Because I, and others (just look at the spotting thread!) find other types 'easier' to spot/type does not mean I respect them less or anything, jesus.

Seriously, you're looking too much into it man... I might give myself a pat on the back but that's it; this is weird, it's not often my word choice offends people - I imagine most NTs don't usually argue over too much logic, but it usually stems from a misunderstanding; in shorter words - jeez, you're misinterpreting me -however if you would like to interpret it as me being an extreme narcissist who sees everyone else beneath him, be my guest, I can't change your view of me.

Are you offended because I didn't say Ni was hard to spot? Obviously the extraverted function is the easier to spot man, so that's why I didn't say any introverted functions (but I'm assuming you already know this, but if you did, then what's the big deal)
Jeez, if you think it's easy to spot Ne doms just as easy as the rest just say so...->don't take it personally out on me...lol (plus, any of the 'compliments' I gave to Ne were pretty much linked directly from PersonJunkie..

@Architect maybe you were right, the INFJ might be hard to live with :/

Clearly I've misinterpreted. I mistook pride for arrogance and a bit of playful snarkiness (not really the right word but can't think of a better one atm) for disrespect. Unfortunately I singled you out for some reason, probably because I was just fed up with a select few members whose posts have consistently aggravated me, and I saw your post as symptomatic of that kind of user and content. I apologize for being rude and overbearing. It's nothing against Ne-doms, two of my closest friends are an ENTP and an ENFP, and it's nothing about Ni not getting enough credit or attention (it's received too much), I just interpreted your statements as yet another in the long line of "intuitive thinkers is best, hurr durr" comments. My apologies good sir.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Clearly I've misinterpreted. I mistook pride for arrogance and a bit of playful snarkiness (not really the right word but can't think of a better one atm) for disrespect.

//whew.
No problem, it happens irl infrequently too. ENTP can be too playful, I understand.

"intuitive thinkers is best, hurr durr" comments. My apologies good sir.

ahahahah. Ok, I make jokes like this, but I'm sure (er, hoping) most of us really know we're equally smart, we just think in radically different ways and really get annoyed by each other sometimes.