Topic of Kids

[ZenRaiden]

 

[Myself]

If it's wrong to have kids for selfish reasons (such as you like what your genes are capable of and you'de rather they have another 'go' at life than that of your far more stupid neighbours)...

then feel free to make that point. But know that you wouldn't have been born if your point was taken seriously by your parents.

 

[Cognisant]

Having children used to be a necessity, prior to the modern banking system people prepared for retirement by having as large a family as possible, in a sense your family was your business and having an easy retirement was your reward for managing it well.

The modern banking system prioritises assets and investments, to this end having children is not only irrelevant, it’s actively counter-productive, children have gone from being an economic asset to being expensive pets. By owning assets and investments you essentially get other people’s children to support you in your retirement, and they don’t get a choice in this, not if they want a job to work for and a house to live in.

Consequently most every developed nation has a falling birthrate as not only are people disincentivised from having children, as the population shrinks the economic burden of the elderly is amplified, encouraging people to double down on acquiring assets and investments, and avoid having children.

Until now the governments of these nations have been using immigration to restock the population, but these immigrants are often middle-aged or older and they also want to prepare for their own retirement by buying assets and investments, this fuels speculation and inflation.

It’s like drinking seawater when you’re dying of thirst.

The tax system needs to be changed to incentivise having children and disincentivise speculation on essential assets like housing, this can happen peacefully now or at the end of a bloody conservative revolution once the crisis reaches its breaking point.

 

[fractalwalrus]

once the crisis reaches its breaking point

How would a population decline create a crisis?

 

[Cognisant]

It won't, at least not while immigration continues.

The aging population and ever increasing unaffordability of housing will cause a crisis.

 

[ZenRaiden]

Having children used to be a necessity, prior to the modern banking system people prepared for retirement by having as large a family as possible, in a sense your family was your business and having an easy retirement was your reward for managing it well.

The modern banking system prioritises assets and investments, to this end having children is not only irrelevant, it’s actively counter-productive, children have gone from being an economic asset to being expensive pets. By owning assets and investments you essentially get other people’s children to support you in your retirement, and they don’t get a choice in this, not if they want a job to work for and a house to live in.

Consequently most every developed nation has a falling birthrate as not only are people disincentivised from having children, as the population shrinks the economic burden of the elderly is amplified, encouraging people to double down on acquiring assets and investments, and avoid having children.

Until now the governments of these nations have been using immigration to restock the population, but these immigrants are often middle-aged or older and they also want to prepare for their own retirement by buying assets and investments, this fuels speculation and inflation.

It’s like drinking seawater when you’re dying of thirst.

The tax system needs to be changed to incentivise having children and disincentivise speculation on essential assets like housing, this can happen peacefully now or at the end of a bloody conservative revolution once the crisis reaches its breaking point.

I don't give dick cheese about economy to be honest.
Who cares about this nonsense???

 

[ZenRaiden]

then feel free to make that point. But know that you wouldn't have been born if your point was taken seriously by your parents.

The videos made clear points. Its a good choice to not have kids.
If I did not exist, nothing would happen. Same way gazillion sperm never existed.
Life is overrated.

 

[Puffy]

If people didn't have kids then you wouldn't have your life now.

Having children is a very personal choice and there's no right or wrong. If someone doesn't want children then they definitely shouldn't have them, as no one wants to be raised by someone who doesn't want them.

I want children but my main caution is that I would want to be in a healthy place in my life when I did so.

For some people raising children is a very positive experience. I live with my flatmate and his two children and he cherishes them and loves the experience. They're a joy to be around.

 

[LOGICZOMBIE]

How would a population decline create a crisis?

 

[Myself]

Nobody has kids because they have an "idea". They have kids because it's what they're programmed to do. It just happens. And only when you have them do you start to value the gift you've been given.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Nobody has kids because they have an "idea". They have kids because it's what they're programmed to do. It just happens. And only when you have them do you start to value the gift you've been given.

So to value the programming? Are we programmed to value our programming?

 

[fractalwalrus]

How would a population decline create a crisis?

Sounds like a way to pit one generation against an other. The system adapting, reinforcing itself.

 

[dr froyd]

the societal and economic aspects aside, from an individual's perspective i can say this: im at an age where friends and people around me start having kids, and what's clear is that when you have kids, your life is over. Now you're spending all your surplus mental and physical energy on family, all your money is being drained, you cannot afford to take any financial risks like starting businesses, you cannot really move anywhere and are tied down to a home and mortgage, etc.

i personally don't get it. At the very least will postpone it as much as possible

and yes if my parents thought about this i might have ended up not existing.. but then i would not be around to complain about my non-existence, would i?

 

[Myself]

Nobody has kids because they have an "idea". They have kids because it's what they're programmed to do. It just happens. And only when you have them do you start to value the gift you've been given.

So to value the programming? Are we programmed to value our programming?

Yes. According to the selfish gene theory we are all programmed to like our own programming over that of others.

Nobody has kids because they have an "idea". They have kids because it's what they're programmed to do. It just happens. And only when you have them do you start to value the gift you've been given.

So to value the programming? Are we programmed to value our programming?

Yes. According to the selfish gene theory we are all programmed to like our own programming over that of others.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Nobody has kids because they have an "idea". They have kids because it's what they're programmed to do. It just happens. And only when you have them do you start to value the gift you've been given.

So to value the programming? Are we programmed to value our programming?

Yes. According to the selfish gene theory we are all programmed to like our own programming over that of others.

Nobody has kids because they have an "idea". They have kids because it's what they're programmed to do. It just happens. And only when you have them do you start to value the gift you've been given.

So to value the programming? Are we programmed to value our programming?

Yes. According to the selfish gene theory we are all programmed to like our own programming over that of others.

And so to sustain selfhood, suspicious cellular segments circulate seductively.

 

[ZenRaiden]

i personally don't get it. At the very least will postpone it as much as possible

Not having kids has vastly more advantages imho.
Having more time and options, and not having 1000 random constraints on life, just seems super advantageous.

In my case I think if I had kids, Id having no ability to take care of my needs at all.