Random typology theories

[GenericRBC]

Decided to make a thread for sharing new typology theories. Basically just post any thoeries regarding typology you'd like to share. Make sure they're as nutty as possible.

Excuse the lack of content in the post. I'll be posting something pretty intricate shortly.

 

[GenericRBC]

PERQ I Typology Theory

Warning in advance: Posting from a mobile device, so this might be cluttered.



First component of theory: Redone traits

As this theory is based heavily on Jung's work, it uses a slightly refined version of cognitive functions. However, the traits have been completely redone. I have remade the existing 4 traits from MBTI/Socionics as well as adding a new one to compliment the ever popular trait theory. (Google it) The existing traits were redone to add unidimensionality and elements of our more modern understanding of personality.

Practical vs Theoretical
Emotional vs Logical
Relaxed vs Nervous
Quiet vs Social
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Rational vs Irrational


Note: On the type, the last letter does not appear. Also, Irrational puts P/T as the first letter, while Rational puts E/L as the first letter.



2nd component: Cognitive Functions

Cognitive functions work the same here as in MBTI, but with some key changes. The first change is that the functions obviously now have new names. The second change is that Introverted/Extroverted no longer represent an invert function. A controversial, but perhaps a necessary update. They are now Quiet, and Social, which represent how the function's user is most comfortable using them. The final change is tha addition of Relaxed and Nervous, which appear as the first word in the function, and represent how the user handles the function emotionally. The function follows the same pattern as Introversion and Extroversion did. You'll notice that the Relaxed may be more nervous in unique situations, and the opposite for the Nervous types.



Cognitive Functions Example for TLNQ

1: Relaxed, Quiet, Theoretical
2: Nervous, Social, Logical
3: Relaxed, Quiet, Practical
4: Nervous, Social, Emotional

5: Nervous, Social, Practical
6: Relaxed, Quiet, Emotional
7: Nervous, Social, Theoretical
8: Relaxed, Quiet, Logical



and finally...

Trait Explanations:

Practical: Sticks to familiar experiences. Prefers simple methods.
Theoretical: Loves new ideas and experiences. Creative and original.

Logical: Interested in the factuality of matters. Often doesn't understand emotion.
Emotional: Interested in helping others. Can be very warm, caring, and empathetic.

Nervous: Tends to be negative and shy. May be drawn to unhappy things.
Relaxed: Can be very calm, and maybe even upbeat. May be drawn to positive and happy things.

Quiet: Likes to spend time alone. Prefers to listen rather than talk. Loves to think.
Social: Cherishes time with others. Likes to talk and prefers to be active.

Irrational: Can be disorderly. Loves conflict and stimulation. May let things feelings build up over time. Generally tolerant of outside views.
Rational: Organized and neat. Sends all thought and action through strict filters based on values. Will not tolerate illogical views. Feels horrible if someone close to them disagrees with them on an important matter.




So. That's it for now. Still pretty basic. Criticism is welcome.

 

[Goku]

Parental Type vs Children Mental Illness Correlation

Hypothesis: Households in which both parents are extraverted judgers (ExxJ) will exhibit a higher-than-average rate of children who display symptoms of mental illness: anxiety, depression, bipolar, and other common diagnoses.

The children most susceptible to mental illness, when living with two extraverted judger parents, are introverts. The parents will expect the kids to be just like the parents. Whether they express this with Thinking or Feeling does not matter much. They will be appear extremely overbearing to the introvert, who just wants to be left alone. Since they are both the same way, extraverted judgers, the introverted child is trapped in a prison. The child will grow up feeling abnormal, wondering why he is so odd for not wanting to play with the other kids all the time.

Thus, when evaluating young people for mental illness, it can potentially be beneficial to take into account the personality type of the parents, parenting style, and see if this has placed any undue anxiety on the kid.

 

[Pikachu]

Parental Type vs Children Mental Illness Correlation

Hypothesis: Households in which both parents are extraverted judgers (ExxJ) will exhibit a higher-than-average rate of children who display symptoms of mental illness: anxiety, depression, bipolar, and other common diagnoses.

The children most susceptible to mental illness, when living with two extraverted judger parents, are introverts. The parents will expect the kids to be just like the parents. Whether they express this with Thinking or Feeling does not matter much. They will be appear extremely overbearing to the introvert, who just wants to be left alone. Since they are both the same way, extraverted judgers, the introverted child is trapped in a prison. The child will grow up feeling abnormal, wondering why he is so odd for not wanting to play with the other kids all the time.

Thus, when evaluating young people for mental illness, it can potentially be beneficial to take into account the personality type of the parents, parenting style, and see if this has placed any undue anxiety on the kid.

Haha, I kinda agree with this.
My dad is an ENFJ and my mom is an ESTJ.
They produced ENTP, ISFP, and INTJ.
While the extrovert child looks happy with his life, the two introvert children are somewhat depressed.

 

[Base groove]

Is the PERQ theory supposed to be a replacement to MBTI as a framework or heuristic to discover type?

If so, then I would submit that you need to explain exactly how you have improved on the MBTI to get closer to the truth.

Simply rewording it won't get you anywhere, but if you have improved on it, either through enhanced accuracy, ease of understanding, or more validity, then you have produced something of real value

 

[Ex-User (5841)]

*has Perseus/pod'lair flashbacks*

How about a theory of inheritance?

Within standard MBTI terms, Ni, Ne, Si, and Se appear to be genetically inherited, and their order in the functional stack is set by an epigenetic mechanism before age 3. Thinking and feeling are determined through interaction before age 6, and I'll posit that, in the circumstances where, for example, an ENTP/ENFP couple produce an INTJ, an early epigenetic influence occurred in the womb prior to birth, or in one of the gametes.

Hypothesis: Households in which both parents are extraverted judgers (ExxJ) will exhibit a higher-than-average rate of children who display symptoms of mental illness: anxiety, depression, bipolar, and other common diagnoses.

This I agree with, though it need not be ExxJ, but ExxJ-like behavior or ideals, which serve to provide the epigenetic mechanism I talk about above (increasing stress = increasing cortisol, for example, which alters physiology in the brain and elsewhere).

 

[Reluctantly]

When I saw that the Big 5 had an emotional stability dimension to it, it made me wonder because all the other dimensions are pretty much the same from MBTI. What they seemed to add was a dimension of neurosis; and it made me think about how a type could be expanded to three different versions of that type, where two are neurotic and one is an actualized example of that type. I suppose it might be interesting to develop a theory based on this, but I guess I didn't want to over-complicate a Jungian theory that is already hard for people to understand and very abstract to begin with and something everyone seems to understand differently - Occam's Razor and all that.

 

[GenericRBC]

Is the PERQ theory supposed to be a replacement to MBTI as a framework or heuristic to discover type?

If so, then I would submit that you need to explain exactly how you have improved on the MBTI to get closer to the truth.

Simply rewording it won't get you anywhere, but if you have improved on it, either through enhanced accuracy, ease of understanding, or more validity, then you have produced something of real value

The purpose is not to replace MBTI, but expand upon and improve it. And also to increase accuracy and cut out the nonsense that makes it needlessly complicated. I submit that I am not satisfied with it yet, and for good reason.

 

[DIALECTIC]

Parental Type vs Children Mental Illness Correlation

Hypothesis: Households in which both parents are extraverted judgers (ExxJ) will exhibit a higher-than-average rate of children who display symptoms of mental illness: anxiety, depression, bipolar, and other common diagnoses.

What about when both parents are introverted judgers ?
Because that was the case in my household as a child and i exhibit all the above symptoms / mental illnesses... However, as an interesting note, i displayed false extroverted tendencies as a reaction to such a strong introverted household resulting in a lot ot problems...

 

[DIALECTIC]

When I saw that the Big 5 had an emotional stability dimension to it, it made me wonder because all the other dimensions are pretty much the same from MBTI. What they seemed to add was a dimension of neurosis; and it made me think about how a type could be expanded to three different versions of that type, where two are neurotic and one is an actualized example of that type.

Well, i do think you might be right, because to be honest i do think we pretty much all have 3 personalities; one actual personality and two potential (neurotic) personalities...
For example for us INTPs:

- Our natural (non neurotic) mode is INTP (when life runs smoothly and there's no challenges / conflicts. In this mode, there is no spiritual evolution as such, only stagnation),
Functions: Ti Ne Si Fe

- Our negative / depressive (neurotic) mode is ESFJ (when life becomes too stressful. In this mode there is no obvious evolution, in fact there is regression, but we first have to regress in order to progress later),
Functions: Fe Si Ne Ti

- Our manic (neurotic) mode is the almignty ENTJ (when our capabilities far
exceed, for a while, life's challenges). It is the mode of action INTPs love, because in this mode we can feel evolution going very fast and we make a deep impact on our environment, it´s like being on coke ! We then become more productive / driven / motivated / unmerciful / social / charismatic / aggressive / hypersexual, have heightened senses and intuition, better health, more physical strength, better resistance to infections / virusses, better memory, can multitask for fun, etc. However there is a price to pay later !
Functions:Te (Ti + Fe) Ni (Ne + Si) Se (Si + Ne) Fi (Fe + Ti)

What do you think ?

 

[Base groove]

What do you think ?

It's very interesting. Jung spoke of certain neuroses as being the expression of repressed psychic functions (thus type dependent), which appears to be rather congruent with your interpretation.

The only issue I take is that you describe a very positivistic form of Te as part of neurotic behaviour however I would think that it would manifest much more negatively/ archaic or primitive. Typically, wouldn't you expect such positivity to accompany the superior/dominant mode in a healthy state?

As mentioned, reversion to ESFJ-mode is quite a negative state of being, however Fe still has a small presence in consciousness in the introverted thinking type, ... Extroverted thinking in this type is completely repressed as it is more like an inverted reflection of the superior function.

 

[Reluctantly]

@DIALECTIC

More or less, yeah. I have a different understanding of the functions, so the way I'd compartmentalize everything would be a little different, but we'd still be pretty much talking about the same behaviors.

- Our natural (non neurotic) mode is INTP (when life runs smoothly and there's no challenges / conflicts. In this mode, there is no spiritual evolution as such, only stagnation),
Functions: Ti Ne Si Fe

Speaking in Jung speak, the ego (I guess in this case Ti+Ne because Si+Fe are unconscious) would function without much problem. But as you said, there wouldn't be much spiritual growth because the unconscious is not differentiated in this person. It's repressed and subservient to the ego. I personally feel this makes such a person somewhat neurotic in over-extending their ego and not realizing the problems they create in doing so, even if it doesn't affect them directly.

- Our negative / depressive (neurotic) mode is ESFJ (when life becomes too stressful. In this mode there is no obvious evolution, in fact there is regression, but we first have to regress in order to progress later),
Functions: Fe Si Ne Ti

Yeah, that would be the evolution of neurosis, right?

- Our manic (neurotic) mode is the almignty ENTJ (when our capabilities far
exceed, for a while, life's challenges). It is the mode of action INTPs love, because in this mode we can feel evolution going very fast and we make a deep impact on our environment, it´s like being on coke ! We then become more productive / driven / motivated / unmerciful / social / charismatic / aggressive / hypersexual, have heightened senses and intuition, better health, more physical strength, better resistance to infections / virusses, better memory, can multitask for fun, etc. However there is a price to pay later !
Functions:Te (Ti + Fe) Ni (Ne + Si) Se (Si + Ne) Fi (Fe + Ti)

Honestly, since I understand things a bit differently, I could easily see this as letting out the inferior unconscious function. But personally, I'd see this as relating more to Se and I know a lot of people have a different understanding of the functions and I don't really know other people here that well to know if they have Ni in their ego or Ti, regardless of what they have decided about the functions and themselves. So yeah, if this makes sense to you, then we're probably thinking about the same thing.

For example, I know an ENTP that uses heuristic thinking a lot in navigating and dealing with other people in his life. It wasn't exactly obvious to me what his type was; I had thought maybe an Fe type, but he clearly a thinker and had F problems because of it at times, even with me. It kind of makes me laugh because he has all these ideas of social shortcuts/rules; they are like rules of thumb that he came up with along the way to decide what to think about people and how to deal with them and stuff and what's a good way for him to decide what to do or what actions he should take at certain times. They are more rules for him though, rather than thinking about the moral and interpersonal impact of his actions and deciding things from that, which is quite a bit more F related. But I'm sure people would disagree with me. But his extroversion is definitely energetic in the way you seem to relate to extroversion; and ENTJs can act like you describe. So yeah, if we understand the same thing, I don't suppose it matters how it's explained.

What do you think ?

I'm personally kind of interested in types that don't have strong egos and have realized their unconscious self, eliminating the problems it creates. I guess that's another category or something and it's somewhat theories don't really touch on that much. I think there was a theory about how types that are developed become like certain types. But it's only compatible and sensible for those that have a Jungian take on the functions; I like it, but MBTI wouldn't make sense for it, so I'm hesitant to even try and mention these things here.

 

[samjonathan]

What do you think ?

I think very much yes, but that there could be a fourth, the "mystical self" or whatever, I though about it when I was thinking about the different kinds of opposites there are within the MBTI. For INTP there is the functionally reversed opposite ESFJ, the functionally inverted ENTJ, and lastly the funcally reversed and inverted ISFP. I could go more into why I think it could be plausible but first I'd like to hear what others think (if anything) because I also think that maybe I'm seeing patterns that don't really exist because it makes my "theory" neat and symetrical.

 

[Base groove]

I think very much yes, but that there could be a fourth, the "mystical self" or whatever, I though about it when I was thinking about the different kinds of opposites there are within the MBTI. For INTP there is the functionally reversed opposite ESFJ, the functionally inverted ENTJ, and lastly the funcally reversed and inverted ISFP. I could go more into why I think it could be plausible but first I'd like to hear what others think (if anything) because I also think that maybe I'm seeing patterns that don't really exist because it makes my "theory" neat and symetrical.

Seems very plausible. I wouldn't mind reading the theory if it could be brought to light.

 

[samjonathan]

It is like the personality that experiences things that wouldn't normally feel significant in a significant and wondrous kind of way. I find it hard to explain very well because it, by definition, is a part of the self that is rather removed and separated from the normal self. And it is hard to integrate experiences back into normal ways of thinking. The way I feel (because it is very much an emtional and sensory experience) when I have one of these experiences is very much like the narration at the end of Perks of Being a Wallflower. It goes as follows.

But right now, these moments are not stories. This is happening. I am here, and I am looking at her. And she is so beautiful. I can see it. This one moment when you know you’re not a sad story. You are alive. And you stand up and see the lights on the buildings and everything that makes you wonder. And you’re listening to that song, and that drive with the people who you love most in this world. And in this moment, I swear, we are infinite.

I have only felt like that a handful of times and I find it hard to recount them but it is just like all of the colours are saturated and everything is happening all at once but it is good because im completely aware of it and it is for eternity and it feels like my heart is glowing white and it is amazing and kind of scary and I get intense shivers and it just feels like the world has stopped for one perfect moment. And then it's over. And I just move on like nothing happened.

idk I feel like I haven't really pinned it down all that well but w/e lemme know if that helps at all

 

[samjonathan]

sorrie for being bad at using the editing option, dunno how to fix that~

It's like a square with INTP on one corner, ESFJ on the opposite, and ENTJ and ISFP on the other two. The line that ENTJ and INTP are on is the "I know what's going on/what to do" line and the line that INTP and ISFP are on is the "It's ok" line. ESFJ is at the point where "I have no idea what to do and it's totally not ok" meet. ENTJ is "I know what to do but ts not enough so I gotta keep doing more". And ISFP is "I dunno what's going on but it's great".

Could just be talking out of my arse here though, guys. My grasp of the "concept" is way too intuitive.

 

[Goku]

What about when both parents are introverted judgers ?
Because that was the case in my household as a child and i exhibit all the above symptoms / mental illnesses... However, as an interesting note, i displayed false extroverted tendencies as a reaction to such a strong introverted household resulting in a lot ot problems...

Yes that makes sense, because in dealing with you, they will be using their extraverted judging trait. I think there's something to be said about having two judger parents or two perceiver parents; the best is probably a mix, one J and one P.

I wonder if this is a common theme, where an introverted child rebels with extraverted tendencies.