Please could you prove that I'm wrong?

[Fallenexe]

When you put some though into the whole evolution theory, it suggests that we 'exist' because we can,just throwing something in the wall and see if that sticks and after billions of years doing this at the right place something takes form and forms a mind,intelligence just because it can happen
Therefore you fell all kinds of emotions just because you evolved to fell it
How does that make it fell you?Hopefully I'm wron

 

[Jennywocky]

Was there an argument in there somewhere?

All I read is, "natural selection processes and evolution can't be true because I don't like how that makes me feel."

 

[Fallenexe]

Was there an argument in there somewhere?

All I read is, "natural selection processes and evolution can't be true because I don't like how that makes me feel."

I don't think that it's false it is just makes me wonder that's all it there to this
Is there something wrond with my phrasing

 

[Jennywocky]

I don't think that it's false it is just makes me wonder that's all it there to this
Is there something wrond with my phrasing

Yeah, it wasn't really clear what the intent behind your thread was.

Are you just asking if other people feel weird that maybe all of this could just be the effect of ordered chaos?

(Note that it's not random chance -- everything builds off the prior changes, based on universal principles.)

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

The person who is purporting something has onus of the burden of proof.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I think it's still weird that we out of all the species on earth became the apex predator. I mean yeah, even with the theory of evolution, how on earth did we become to be what we are now? In a way we're a miracle. But then again, it makes me wonder- if any other species were at the top, wouldn't they also think the same? Therefore being at the top maybe doesn't have any meaning in the first place. But then again, it's WE who exist, not the ones we imagine and compare ourselves with. We are here. They.. are what we conjure up to compare ourselves with. Still weird.

 

[Jennywocky]

^^ We should be okay until great white sharks that can fly and breathe air and have hands with opposable thumbs exist.

Then we're in trouble.

 

[The Gopher]

Naw I'm pretty sure what gets on top stays on top. We would start mass killing sharks before they develop opposable thumbs.

 

[Cognisant]

Evolution is the result of natural selection, if a herd of gazelle are hunted by lions and the slowest gazelle is eaten each time the herd will become faster over the generations as those with the slowest genes are culled from the gazelle gene pool.

Natural selection doesn't make things better, it makes them more optimal, it's entirely possible to make a human being that's much faster, stronger and tougher but perhaps it wouldn't be able to mature and reproduce as quickly, so these combat optimized humans would be outnumbered and either out breed or simply killed off my the numerically superior if physically inferior ones.

This is a slow, cruel and horribly inefficient process, we can do better.

Spoiler

 

[JimJambones]

I'm just curious as to how life on other planets have evolved.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Artificial augmentation is a process of specialisation Cog, arguing that a purpose built screwdriver is a better tool than a hand in the context of screw-driving seems pointless.
Evolution is adaptation to existing conditions, if there is no stimulus for improvement, there will be some mutations towards it anyway, but they won't linger in future generations if they don't confer any advantage.

It most likely isn't all, we know very little about abiogenesis, the origin of life and we are slowly discovering more, it might be that we will end up with an incomplete puzzle anyway, the universe is scattering apart all the information as humans constantly try to prepare for the new scientific journey.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I'm just curious as to how life on other planets have evolved.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if we actually were the most advanced species in the entire universe. But then again, I'd be struck in wonder and amazement, if we actually did find a superior civilization out there.

But then again, the dinosaurs we're around.. for how many years? I mean they didn't have the right anatomy to really effectively wield tools (which must follow before technological innovation [which then leads to computers]). It was a global, natural catastrophy that wiped the earth clean for the homosapien to arise (or at least that's what the theories say). Taking that into consideration, it's possible that there may be life on other planets, but the lifeforms wouldn't have technologies like we do. We might be the only ones able to communicate like this, on the web.

But then again.. I think it also might even be possible that humans actually did exist a long time ago, maybe even with dinosaurs on the earth, but on a much lesser scale of population. Technically everything melts and molds back into the earth's core.. Anyway, Ne-musings Hopefully a geologist, somewhere out there, tells me wrong.

 

[JimJambones]

Artificial augmentation is a process of specialisation Cog, arguing that a purpose built screwdriver is a better tool than a hand in the context of screw-driving seems pointless.
Evolution is adaptation to existing conditions, if there is no stimulus for improvement, there will be some mutations towards it anyway, but they won't linger in future generations if they don't confer any advantage.

It most likely isn't all, we know very little about abiogenesis, the origin of life and we are slowly discovering more, it might be that we will end up with an incomplete puzzle anyway, the universe is scattering apart all the information as humans constantly try to prepare for the new scientific journey.

It may be impossible to truly know how life began without the use of quantum computing, which could run through a seemingly infinite number of molecular possibilities that could lead to life. It not only would predict the molecular pathways followed for life on earth do develop, but also for those we have yet to observe, such as those in other worlds.

Our brains are just not capable of handling the amount of data and calculations needed to crack the puzzle.

 

[Anktark]

You are wrong.

I read your post three times and with each successive reading I grew increasingly convinced that you were wrong. I then called over my neighbour and he is an expert on these kind of things and he too is pretty sure that you are wrong. Nevertheless, he called his sister, who had to drive for two hours over to my place and after analyzing your post, she also thinks you are wrong. Not being completely happy with our results, they also called their parents (one of them have written a book on the subject) and after a short discussion, they share the consensus.

I hope this is enough for you to see the error of your ways.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Evolution is the result of natural selection, if a herd of gazelle are hunted by lions and the slowest gazelle is eaten each time the herd will become faster over the generations as those with the slowest genes are culled from the gazelle gene pool.

This explanation is Darwinian. The controversy is the mechanism which makes the gazelles faster. Teleology is a hot topic in popular political debate today, as society is under the assault of a Darwinian band of thugs who have no natural teleology.

This is a slow, cruel and horribly inefficient process, we can do better.

Nihilist thugs love this sort of thing.

 

[Black Rose]

evolution gave us brains to produce / move forward to gain energy.
intelligence is the ability to hold multiple variables in your mind at the same time.
if there is no reason to gain more energy intelligence is pointless.
the only reason you want more is to feel / look cool. Dopamine drips.

 

[StevenM]

The Universe needs no explanation. Only... reflection.

 

[Kuu]

ok

Teleolology

Either discuss the topic or leave the thread.

 

[onesteptwostep]

Rationalism and empiricism is too entrenched in the thought of today's prevalent societies. Analysis does not provide truth, only an insight into the mechanics of which how the world is run.

 

[TheManBeyond]

i can't figure out what is this thread about nor i care to.

 

[Yellow]

When you put some though into the whole evolution theory, it suggests that we 'exist' because we can,just throwing something in the wall and see if that sticks and after billions of years doing this at the right place something takes form and forms a mind,intelligence just because it can happen
Therefore you fell all kinds of emotions just because you evolved to fell it
How does that make it fell you?Hopefully I'm wron

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but it seems like you think the general premise of the Theory of Evolution seems contrite and/or unsupported by your personal musings.

It's true that this concept, like many others in a plethora of fields appear to be paradoxical, unbelievable, or just plain silly before you actually review the evidence. Evolution, worse, is downright insulting. To some, it's a statement that only is our existence not part of any divine plan, but we are not particularly important. When we've gone, life will continue on its merry way.

Luckily for us, and thanks to those who continuously insist that it cannot possibly be true, the Theory of Evolution is one of the best supported concepts throughout the fields of science. So with our vast collection of information, you can easily learn a little more about it.

Below, are fields of study that support, and in some cases, arose from the investigation of evolution (or as creationists lovingly call them, the "pillars" of evolution). Once you have gone over this brief survey of evidence, you will have a better idea of what kinds of remedial and supplemental readings you require.

Comparative Anatomy
Embryology (this is a section review of a textbook, but I think it's more fun than the wikipedia article on the topic)
Fossil Record
Comparative Genomics (not to be confused with the gene-centered view of evolution, which is also a fun read)

If you want to get a better handle on the mechanics of evolution such as natural selection, you could start with these easy descriptions of decent with variation, genetic drift, natural selection, (which includes stabilizing selection, directional selection, and diversifying selection, and sexual selection) mutation, migration, and coevolution.

Though, it's possible that you're just wondering about human evolution, particularly the development of intelligence over physical fitness.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

The person who is purporting something has onus of the burden of proof.

They have every right to call existing theories into question and they don't seem to make any declarations of their own. Lack of critical scrutiny of existing concepts marks the downfall of rational thought of a person or society.

Yellow is doing a great job of providing links and explanations, although the proof is in no way exhaustive or complete and yet it is very complex and will continue to grow. It's so complex in fact that it takes a specialised scientist to have a firm grasp and tools to work with it further. Despite that fact, each element can be easily observed and derived, so it's not innately overcomplicated.

 

[StevenM]

When you put some though into the whole evolution theory, it suggests that we 'exist' because we can,just throwing something in the wall and see if that sticks and after billions of years doing this at the right place something takes form and forms a mind,intelligence just because it can happen
Therefore you fell all kinds of emotions just because you evolved to fell it
How does that make it fell you?Hopefully I'm wron

I think I'm understanding now what's being stated. I think you're right, there is a lot more involved.

It seems with just about everything in reality, it all follows a straight-forward procedure of cause and effect. With our understanding of physics and science, we could even create an almost accurate simulation of how the galaxies are made, and the collisions of stars, and the trajectory orbit of planets. We can predict the outcome of chemical reactions. It seems all objects have a deterministic course.

However, life and consciousness seems to be an anomaly to that. First, I don't think anything surpasses the complexity in molecular structure of sentient, biological life. What a peculiar object in the Universe, that can experience itself, contemplate on it's own workings, create symbols, stories, bring to thought something that has never existed, and draw pictures. And also, these objects seem to have control over their own trajectories and fate, with some propensity to make their own choices.

The events that had taken place to create this anomaly, seems to be slim relative to our observable scope of space and time. Taking a far distant look all around our galaxy, it seems we are alone. But since life is made of matter, it did undertake a linear course of special events to get to it's initiation.

Even if the odds were extremely slim, they are countered by the vastness of chances they had of achieving it. For instance, with a billion slot machines all being played, it seems almost inevitable that the grand prize be won 5 times in a row.

It's also important to note, that if you rolled a dice a hundred times, which resulted in 3, 6, 2,2, 1, 4, 5, ...., 4, 5, 5, 5, 3, 2, 4, that sequence of events is just as likely as rolling a 6 a hundred times in a row. We are very limited on our perspective of this universe, we only have the vantage point of where we are on earth, and we only have the present moment to experience, along with a sliver of time that incorporates our memory. It's mind-blowing that you sit right in the midst of where the universe rolled 6 a hundred times in a row, but compare that to something perhaps infinite in all of time and location.