personality type most likely to be jobless

[sushi]

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2015/08/03/personality-type-most-likely-unemployed/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_638288&ncid=txtlnkusaolp00001364

 

[Sinny91]

Lol, I like your DP. Cool article. I agree, now...how to make the rest of society see...

 

[QuickTwist]

Oh, joy.

I can confirm that the results of the survey are accurate. I am an ISFP and I am jobless.

 

[Tannhauser]

I (INTP) and an ISTP friend of mine are looking for jobs at the moment. We are applying to the same jobs with mostly the same qualifications -- he is getting offers left and right while I am struggling like a pig. And I see why: he does this stuff without any judgement and without any other story in his mind than "I have to to this". For me it's another story: whenever I am asked at an interview "why do you want this job", in my mind I am thinking "I have no fucking clue, I think because society told me to want it".

I am doing best when I am not thinking too much.

 

[Reluctantly]

For me it's another story: whenever I am asked at an interview "why do you want this job", in my mind I am thinking "I have no fucking clue, I think because society told me to want it".

well shit, no offense, but if you were an interviewer, would you want to hire someone like this? Even if they were more than qualified? I wouldn't...especially if I was running the entire business.

 

[Tannhauser]

well shit, no offense, but if you were an interviewer, would you want to hire someone like this? Even if they were more than qualified? I wouldn't...especially if I was running the entire business.

I agree. Hence the moral: think less.

As an illustration, this ISTP friend once asked me, as a genuine, non-rhetorical question, "what is the use of philosophy?"

(not that there is anything wrong with being practical, it's just that I cannot imagine an existence without philosophy)

 

[Minuend]

You don't have to "think less", on the contrary you can get the advantage by thinking "more complex" about how to behave, answer and adapt to the job interviewer. It's possible to maintain the thought of "I have to do this" while simultaneously be aware of the "philosophical" aspects and the bigger picture.

 

[QuickTwist]

You don't have to "think less", on the contrary you can get the advantage by thinking "more complex" about how to behave, answer and adapt to the job interviewer. It's possible to maintain the thought of "I have to do this" while simultaneously be aware of the "philosophical" aspects and the bigger picture.

The only problem with this is if you can also think logically while doing it.

 

[Minuend]

Do you mean consistent? Or are you saying that things should/ need to be logical? Or something else? Why is it a problem of logic?

If you are in a zombie apocalypse, you have to get food, shelter and defend yourself regardless of what your musings are, if you're going to survive. It will do you little good to think about the meaning of life as the zombie mauls you dead.

Curiosity and thinking is all well and good, but we also have to face with the world we live in in some way. If getting a job is the only way you can get food and shelter then it's something that needs to be done. If doing so goes against ones very fundamental beliefs, then one either have to find a way to deal with it, compromise or find an entirely different solution.

 

[Tannhauser]

It's possible to maintain the thought of "I have to do this" while simultaneously be aware of the "philosophical" aspects and the bigger picture.

Exactly. That has pretty much been my project.

 

[QuickTwist]

Do you mean consistent? Or are you saying that things should/ need to be logical? Or something else? Why is it a problem of logic?

If you are in a zombie apocalypse, you have to get food, shelter and defend yourself regardless of what your musings are, if you're going to survive. It will do you little good to think about the meaning of life as the zombie mauls you dead.

Curiosity and thinking is all well and good, but we also have to deal with the world we live in in some way. If getting a job is the only way you can get food and shelter then it's something that needs to be done. If doing so goes against ones very fundamental beliefs, then one either have to find a way to deal with it, compromise or find an entirely different solution.

I mean, if you don't have a rational (normal) mind, it doesn't matter how much you think.

 

[WALKYRIA]

Lol, I knew that NPs were bad at doing things and getting jobs? Why would I look for a job?
Working is Like living, there is no fucking meaning to it unless you create some for it.. It has been said many times and again here on INTP forum. Work because you need to eat, you need to have a wife/start a family/raise kids , have some comfort... These are the rules of society(Te), no natural rules(Ti).

I'm always suprised to hear that some people couldn't leave without a job even if they were paid? WTF? So basically you'r basing your sense of worth/self on your job? Fuck that..

Anecdotically when I was younger I wanted to become a professional tourist...
I became something not close from it but with better pay and even more interesting. i'm pretty proud really...

 

[sushi]

most employers and entreprenuers are Ps also though.

 

[Reluctantly]

I mean I guess it makes sense, given that the definition of being P in mbti implies irresponsibility or lack of "conscientiousness" as the article seems to say.

But it's purely a definitional one; especially given that homeless people have lost all responsibility, which is basically why they've become homeless. It's a given, so no need to apply mbti to them.

I mean if you think about it, managing responsibility successfully is what's rewarded in society. It's why managers earn the bigger bucks and why they are generally valued higher; so it kind of goes without saying that homeless people lack responsibility and would test as P then. Still doesn't exactly mean that P are much more likely to be homeless, but that homeless people live like a P.

 

[Tannhauser]

It has been said many times and again here on INTP forum. Work because you need to eat, you need to have a wife/start a family/raise kids , have some comfort... These are the rules of society(Te), no natural rules(Ti).

That always strikes me as a little bit odd -- the default notion in the western world seems to be the opposite: work is not just something you do in order to live, your work has to be something you live, a way of realising oneself etc.

Where this notion comes from is not clear. Max Weber believed it comes from Protestant values. It used to be the opposite: the ancient Greeks thought working for another person is the same as slavery. Aristotle proposed that the best form of living was not working at all and instead engage in politics.

So it's a choice of philosophy one has to make (this is probably why my ISTP friend is more successful than me at the moment [and probably why INTPs score high on the jobless list] -- for me, whether to work or not is a goddamn philosophical problem to solve)

 

[Intolerable]

most employers and entreprenuers are Ps also though.

Doesn't help.

The vision can be equated to the alpha's claim on the pack. A conflicting vision is simply competition. Most fellow Ps won't tolerate it.

Let it be a lesson to other Ps though. If you aren't driving your own ship you are doing it wrong.