Perception dominant vs Judging dominant

[k9b4]

What are some characteristics that all judging dominants have in common?
What are some characteristics that all perceiving dominants have in common?

Maybe judging dominants are more responsible?
Maybe perceiving dominants are more irresponsible?

 

[Grayman]

What are some characteristics that all judging dominants have in common?
What are some characteristics that all perceiving dominants have in common?

Maybe judging dominants are more responsible?
Maybe perceiving dominants are more irresponsible?

Responsibility?

 

[k9b4]

Responsibility?

When I say responsible I mean... Serious. I think serious describes what I mean well.

I'm thinking of like, a responsible adult and an irresponsible child. The child is irresponsible because he doesn't take things seriously.

 

[Grayman]

When I say responsible I mean... Serious. I think serious describes what I mean well.

I'm thinking of like, a responsible adult and an irresponsible child. The child is irresponsible because he doesn't take things seriously.

A person who is serious about the small things as well as the important things.
A person who is serious about the large things but not the small things.
A person who is serious about nothing.

Which is it?

Seriousness seems rather relative to me.

 

[k9b4]

A person who is serious about the small things as well as the important things.
A person who is serious about the large things but not the small things.
A person who is serious about nothing.

Which is it?

Seriousness seems rather relative to me.

I am talking in general terms here. Serious vs not serious. I am saying that I think judging dominants would be more serious, relative to perceiving dominants.

 

[Base groove]

I am talking in general terms here. Serious vs not serious. I am saying that I think judging dominants would be more serious, relative to perceiving dominants.

No you're looking for a quick and dirty stereotype to call people Ps and Js. This is the lowest form of typology. Goku has returned.

 

[Grayman]

I am talking in general terms here. Serious vs not serious. I am saying that I think judging dominants would be more serious, relative to perceiving dominants.

But my level of perceiving and defining seriousness is different than yours and yours is different than others. What is the baseline for this?

The generalness in which you are approaching this is exactly the issue. People are complex. Generalizations are often wrong.

 

[k9b4]

I will try to explain myself one last time:

I think that people whose dominant function is a perceiving function would generally be more "immature", "irresponsible", "unserious" than people whose dominant function is a judging function.

To me, this makes sense because surely judging functions are what makes a person "mature", "responsible", "serious".

Yes, this is all very general. MBTI is a very general theory. You can not really make very specific claims about functions in MBTI because it doesn't make sense at a very specific level.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here. I don't know what else I can say to help you understand.

Please actually consider my words and don't jump to conclusions about what you think I am saying.

This is not really a very complex idea, I just thought of this randomly and thought it was interesting.

 

[Grayman]

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This is not really a very complex idea, I just thought of this randomly and thought it was interesting.

Have you ever seen wife swap?

Two households who think the other is not responsible and that they, themselves, are. One of them must be wrong correct?

One household values cleanliness and education and the other values family time and independent thinking. Each group holds to their values to the extreme neglecting the values of the other group.

Using the word responsible to define either group would simply be implying that you hold the same values and priorities of that group. It is a completely relative term.

A J is an outward thinker organizing his environment. Is organization responsibility? Is it responsible to organize your socks by color? For what purpose? People see organization as responsible but alone without practicality it has nothing to do with responsibility.

A P is an inward organization. A Ti is likely to spend time organizing ones thoughts. Is it not responsible to know the topics ins and outs before you vote or make decisions that could potentially affect others? How about if you spend so much time on this that you never come to decisions or maybe you neglect other issues that need addressing?

Responsibility is so subjective in meaning it really has no meaning. The only time it can have meaning is if I first knew what it meant to you to be responsible.

 

[k9b4]

Have you ever seen wife swap?

Two households who think the other is not responsible and that they, themselves, are. One of them must be wrong correct?

One household values cleanliness and education and the other values family time and independent thinking. Each group holds to their values to the extreme neglecting the values of the other group.

Using the word responsible to define either group would simply be implying that you hold the same values and priorities of that group. It is a completely relative term.

A J is an outward thinker organizing his environment. Is organization responsibility? Is it responsible to organize your socks by color? For what purpose? People see organization as responsible but alone without practicality it has nothing to do with responsibility.

A P is an inward organization. A Ti is likely to spend time organizing ones thoughts. Is it not responsible to know the topics ins and outs before you vote or make decisions that could potentially affect others? How about if you spend so much time on this that you never come to decisions or maybe you neglect other issues that need addressing?

Responsibility is so subjective in meaning it really has no meaning. The only time it can have meaning is if I first knew what it meant to you to be responsible.

Okay then I will try to communicate again what I mean:

I was reading this:
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582
And I read this sentence:
"The Directive types are considered the most structured and schedule oriented, although different directive functions yield different manifestations of directivity."

I think this sentence explains what I mean.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I will try to explain myself one last time:

I think that people whose dominant function is a perceiving function would generally be more "immature", "irresponsible", "unserious" than people whose dominant function is a judging function.

To me, this makes sense because surely judging functions are what makes a person "mature", "responsible", "serious".

Yes, this is all very general. MBTI is a very general theory. You can not really make very specific claims about functions in MBTI because it doesn't make sense at a very specific level.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here. I don't know what else I can say to help you understand.

Please actually consider my words and don't jump to conclusions about what you think I am saying.

This is not really a very complex idea, I just thought of this randomly and thought it was interesting.

But why? I mean you've described your theory, I don't think it's valid but you haven't said why it would be valid to begin with. Where your core argument should have been there are instead two things which often appear in that very spot, namely: makes sense+surely.

I don't think it surely makes sense though, and that it surely makes sense is -as you've surely deciphered by now- not actually particularly sense-making as an argument.

 

[k9b4]

But why? I mean you've described your theory, I don't think it's valid but you haven't said why it would be valid to begin with.

What is my theory?

 

[Grayman]

And I read this sentence:
"The Directive types are considered the most structured and schedule oriented, although different directive functions yield different manifestations of directivity."

I think this sentence explains what I mean.

If 'directive types' were meant to refer to 'Judging types' then my answer is as follows.

Responsibility is independent of type. It is a individual thing. The direction in which one exercises ones responsibilities is linked to type. The level of responsibility is not. I feel the statement you quoted coincides with this line of thinking.

If you are not sure of what I am saying you can go back and read the previous posts I wrote. They run on the same type of thinking.

 

[k9b4]

If 'directive types' were meant to refer to 'Judging types' then my answer is as follows.

Responsibility is independent of type. It is a individual thing. The direction in which one exercises ones responsibilities is linked to type. The level of responsibility is not. I feel the statement you quoted coincides with this line of thinking.

If you are not sure of what I am saying you can go back and read the previous posts I wrote. They run on the same type of thinking.

Here is another quote from that same post (http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582):

"An MBTI Judging type is a personality type that has directive functions as their dominant and auxiliary functions. An MBTI Perceiving type is a personality type that has Adaptive functions as their dominant and auxiliary functions"

The author then goes on to say:

"The Directive types are considered the most structured and schedule oriented, although different directive functions yield different manifestations of directivity."

I interpret this as the author saying that people who have judgement functions as their dominant functions are more structured and schedule oriented.

Yes, he does also say that different "directive" functions yield different manifestations of directivity, but he makes that similar general statement to what I am saying; that people with dominant judging functions share some similar characteristics.

 

[Grayman]

Here is another quote from that same post (http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6582):

"An MBTI Judging type is a personality type that has directive functions as their dominant and auxiliary functions. An MBTI Perceiving type is a personality type that has Adaptive functions as their dominant and auxiliary functions"

The author then goes on to say:

"The Directive types are considered the most structured and schedule oriented, although different directive functions yield different manifestations of directivity."

I interpret this as the author saying that people who have judgement functions as their dominant functions are more structured and schedule oriented.

Yes, he does also say that different "directive" functions yield different manifestations of directivity, but he makes that similar general statement to what I am saying; that people with dominant judging functions share some similar characteristics.

Okay, but how would we determine that this line of thinking is valid?

 

[k9b4]

Okay, but how would we determine that this line of thinking is valid?

I don't know. How do we determine if your line of thinking is valid?

 

[Red myst]

Perhaps a better question would be "who would you trust" with responsibility? And then, what type are they. I do know a few example in my personal life and I will say that there is a much more certain chance that the J person in my life will make sure the responsibility I have trusted them with will be handled, and the P person is more like a 75% chance it will get done. Both of their hearts would be in the right place, but I know who my first choice would be. So in this context, I can say only for my personal preference what I would do.




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