Ni or Ne

[Far7anR]

Hey everyone. I am trying to type myself and am having trouble ruling out INTP. I agree with much if not most of INTP type descriptions, but i am doubting if I am a Ti dom and if I use Ne or Ni. The alternative is INFJ. Either way, my secondary aux is probably underdeveloped and I am pretty sure I experience frequent tertiary loop periods.

I am a 25 year old med student, and I have a speech impediment that, along with a crappy and negative childhood has led to insecurities and such.

Full disclosure - my ego wants to be an INTP because I am a guy and INFJ males just don't get appreciated and don't have much going for them as far as stereotypes go. All INFJ discussions just pertain to the women and feminine things.

I bought and read A.J. Drenth's INTP book and relate to it a great, great deal.

So any thoughts?

 

[Cherry Cola]

If you grew up being an outsider and largely hung out with other thinkers (especially intuitives ones) then even if you are an INFJ you'll resemble NTs quite a lot. INFJs with underdeveloped Fe can seem like a brutal mixture of an INTP and INTJ, ruthlessly logical using their Ti as if though it were auxiliary coupled with Ni can produce.. well Hitler for instance.

What's your role with people you are close to and comfortable with? If you feel out of place and awkward in everyday situations then you wont act naturally in those which means that they don't make a sound basis for determining your type.

I wouldn't diss the notion of being an INFJ guy though, it's a very well rounded type and probably the one with most holistic understanding of the world in general. INFJs may fall short of NT's academically in terms of efficiency and precision, but that is because they consider both emotional and purely logical aspects. The most rational of all feeling types, INFJs are not put off by detached logic in the same way as INFPs.

This here:
"All INFJ discussions just pertain to the women and feminine things." Is simply not true. INFJs are pretty gender neutral, they are just a bit eccentric in general which I think is mistaken for and combined with their slight effeminate leaning.

I identify a ton with INTPs too, I got that result a lot back when I was trying to determine my type by doing tests. I always felt that the INFJ description was more accurate though, and later on when I knew more about MBTI I was able to determine that it was indeed my type, this time by functional analysis. Nowadays I test as one too. I think my INTP bout was due to hanging out with NTs and feeling socially isolated which caused a sense of bitterness and a strange feeling of being simultaenously superior and useless. Nowadays I can comfortably utilize my Fe in everyday social interactions as I've gotten over my social anxiety by means of exposure through work and school. Once I no longer felt like a weirdo things got so much easier, nowadays I'm less inhibited and I don't try to hide my eccentricity nearly as much as before because there's no need for it.

So, assuming you have people with whom you can hang out without feeling inhibited analyze what your role is in those social contexts. What do you provide that the others don't? What do you provide in arguments and discussion which the others don't and what do they provide which you don't? How do those people view you?

Edit: Another thing, how do you take in information? Do you carefully logically analyze or do you "feel" things fit together by themselves as you consider topics in a drifting manner on your own? Ni/Se stores and categorizes the abstract in interconnected system forming an holistic worldview, Si/Ne stores facts, their intuitions are triggered in real time as they draw connections between these facts and what is happening in their environment. How do your insights come to you, in what form and following what sort of mental process?

Need more information to determine your type :P

 

[Far7anR]

Lol to be honest, after everything u said and asked, and judgin from a conversation with my intj friend that i just had, i think i am an infj. I use logic a lot to analyze bu its just not as clean and crisp as it should. I find myself using logic to justify my feelings and hunches. I dont accept anything until ive analzed it to acceptable clarity, but it takes more of a conscious effort.

With people I am close to, whether I am being sweet or sour I use Fe.

I guess that sometimes I am random and make strange connections so I thought it was Ne.

Any clues on how to sharpen my Ti, and how to use Ni/Fe to me more funny and charming instead of people-pleasing?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Basically practice and exposure to situations that make you uncomfortable, learning to deal with failing without feeling like a failure, once you no longer feel a pressure to act a certain way in order to be able to better deal with you'll ironically probably be better at dealing with people already because you'll be able to act naturally with more confidence. Your Ti can be sharpened by using it in conjunction with Fe, if there's a purpose to what you are doing your Ni will set upon it and that's what you'll need to sharpen Ti, Ti is there to make sense of and sort out the insights provided by Ni, but Ni wont trigger if what you are doing has no appeal to you.

The thing with INFJs like Carl Jung is how they are able to reason logically in ambiguous subjects, they have a natural penchant for metacognitive thinking which I think is unrivaled. This lets them sort out and deal with emotional factors in a logical fashion like none other. It makes them capable psychologists, philosophers, linguists, anthropologians and even politician. But they don't match up to NT's in more detached subjects.

Plato, another likely INFJ, can be seen as an important precursor to Jung, his world of ideas matching Jungs collective unconscious. Yet it is the theory of evolution, a product of the INTP Charles Darwin that provided it with an origin. With Plato it was divine, Jung thought it could be either divine or natural, Darwin's theory neatly provided a means of discarding the divine explanation and in doing so gave Jung's theories greater weight. These are examples to support a general tendency though, it's not like you're limited to these subjects, they are just areas where INFJs typically excel.

Here is a good post on INFJs:

http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7016

Notice the quote in the beginning of that post, what Jung says there applies to INFJs more than any other type.

It's also worth saying that I've not really got any idea of what type you are myself because I can't tell from what you've written thus far, and also that a lot of what I wrote are my own conclusions rather than MBTI canon.

Edit: Oh yeah, this shit here was also a problem for me lol:

I guess that sometimes I am random and make strange connections so I thought it was Ne.

I guess that Ni users can do that as well, although in their case I think its more for the effect or for the sake of humor rather than as a means to pursue truth as it is for Ne users. Ni also makes connections after all, they just happen internally rather than externally, when I go into random strange connection sprees it feels like it's weird conceptual mutant babies coming from inside me more than that it's me putting them together before me. Or I dunno. Dinstinguishing between Ne and Ni is fucking hard when it comes to some things.

 

[redbaron]

No.

 

[Far7anR]

I though Ni/Ti would be good with science and stuff. That I cannot be good as NTs makes me frustrated since I'm in medical school and want to go into research eventually. I mean, what is metacognitive and metaphysical talk goin to do to help me in real life in terms of curing patients or being charming and impressive to people I want to make a good impression on?

Though isn't the differences due to more that NTs chose to be more colder in their logic as opposed to something intrinsic about them?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Meh of course you can be good, INFJs are flexible, they sport high average IQs and make fine researchers. Hence why I wrote:

These are examples to support a general tendency though, it's not like you're limited to these subjects, they are just areas where INFJs typically excel.

 

[Base groove]

I though Ni/Ti would be good with science and stuff. That I cannot be good as NTs makes me frustrated since I'm in medical school and want to go into research eventually. I mean, what is metacognitive and metaphysical talk goin to do to help me in real life in terms of curing patients or being charming and impressive to people I want to make a good impression on?

Though isn't the differences due to more that NTs chose to be more colder in their logic as opposed to something intrinsic about them?

Ni and Ti may be generally known as functions that are useful for science, but honestly ... it seems like every function except the F functions fit this category.

That I cannot be good as NTs makes me frustrated

QQ

what is metacognitive and metaphysical talk goin to do to help me in real life in terms of curing patients or being charming and impressive to people I want to make a good impression on?

This actually sounds kind of bitter. But there is little doubt to me that it's indicative of Fe superiority.

I guess that sometimes I am random and make strange connections so I thought it was Ne.

I think you are ........ ISFJ.