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Imagine someone was reading your mind, but was smart enough to cover up their tracks enough that they leave hints that they can see into your mind yet at the same time were gaslighting you, in order to show you that they can read your mind, yet made everything so that if you actually figured it out you would have symptoms indistinguishable from paranoid schizophrenia.

We know that China is spying on its citizens using tech, but we also know this tech is now available.
Its not only available, but its used to manipulate people.

So the task is to provide proof even though there is no direct proof there is so much indirect proof that you know with more than 100 percent certainty that it is true.

Of course the spying is done covertly precisely, because otherwise the point of gaslighting would not be achieved.
 

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For those who don't know about mind reading tech
the basis is machine learning that is looking for patterns in the brain and AI computing those patterns.

Essentially knowing which parts of brain when activated its possible for AI to deduce some probabilistic guess of what person is feeling or thinking.

Unfortunately knowing this I have come to conclude the technology is still not there yet, given I can still notice larger discrepancy between various algorithms and reality.

Most notably is state of mind and actual reading. Seems to me there is strong discrepancy between motive and actual person.
 

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No takers? Since when is the forum so dead?
Hmmmmm?

Ah well you were pretty active recently. I guess we will have to chalk it up to mere coincidence.
 

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Besides having symptoms of schizophrenia myself, I think that subliminal messages are entirely possible. Microwaves, ultrasound, ai recommendations, screen images.

But it depends on if it is targeted or mass scale. It can't affect all the same.

Gaslighting is possible but in my case, I don't think it was targeted by people that it just happened and I attracted it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractor

The bible codes I found seemed to attract things once I channeled them.

But that is me.

Mind reading would need targeting to get the right frequencies. And It would not happen everywhere, only a select places.
 

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I was behaving as if responding to this forum was a priority for me, probably due to the subject matter we were talking about. I've realigned my behavior with my priorities. THIS though.

As AK, I have also experienced psychotic distortions, and it's a funny thing. This might not be an appropriate characterization of reality and could be specific to my own situation: it's very much like your own (cognitive) resources targeting you.

Big Tech algorithms are already using these internal resources against the population, and you're basically alluding to the next step for Big Tech, which very much likely is already happening. Technology triggering an immune response isn't too fringe.
  • You would be fed some intrusive thought (in your case it would be activated through some external stimulus, in mine unfortunately it was internal) that is relevant to the sensations (vision, hearing, thoughts, ect) you are experiencing that pushes your affect in a certain direction.

  • In a world of mass communication your only recourse would be to minimize exposure to these stimulus. AND OR;

  • Develop psychotherapeutic devices (coping mechanisms) that address the source of said distortion.
Depending on the method that this gaslighting would occur, that last point would be moot or unfeasible without at most prior preparation. Coping mechanisms get a bad rap, it's only logical that we all use them in one way or another. But their development (usually unsupervised) usually happens long after the inciting stimulus (trauma) that manifested them occurs.

"Going down the rabbit hole" is a common healthy practice with psychologist. It works because at the average person's core, is simply an average person, despite what they themselves think. When it comes to someone who is in a condition like I was for several months it's a lot more difficult: that person has a defect or have been broken by their life experiences, and no amount of addressing the rabbit holes of their mind will get any closer to their core.

I think the younger and future populations are going to have to worry about this, as they are less likely to question what is normal. It's quite the pickle.
 

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If it's good intensions. It's perhaps better. If goseping. I think it's no good. How to find out?
 

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I mean the key I guess is to know what you dependent on. Figuring out how to safely minimize what you are dependent on, and know the things that you are necessarily will be dependent on know how it can be exploited and compromised. Really it's game theory when I type it like that, but

if you mean that psychotherapeutic stuff you can look at Wikipedia for supplemental stuff, but a source that I found had lots of foundational concepts that are widely applicable is this one. People's biggest criticism I think is political correctness. I haven't finished it myself, but it'll help you help others and probably yourself as well. (mandatory "I am not a professional" as a caveat of course).
 

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It does not matter though I am already on a different spiritual plane.
 

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That's an excellent coping mechanism
What is?
Seems like you are awfully sure about coping mechanisms.
Ill tell you what if you are not into yoga if you have half a brain.... youll know I already figured it out, nope.
 

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Being a bit schizo loosens the neurons some. The threshold for solve/coagulate is lowered. Much better than having a hardened brain. Reality is "different" Not distorted.

Tuning in. It is a ride.
 

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Being a bit schizo loosens the neurons some. The threshold for solve/coagulate is lowered. Much better than having a hardened brain. Reality is "different" Not distorted.
Sure. Most parameters for what a disorder is, the tendencies you have that interfere with your ability to interface with society. What makes someone "crazy" is the inability to communicate what they are thinking to others. That being said, if you aren't adapted to these atypical mind operations, you very much will not be interacting with reality appropriate because your perspective, is, unless you can come up with a better word, distorted. It's like being given acid without your knowledge and never having a trip before. I don't think distorted is necessarily a bad connotation.

That's an excellent coping mechanism
What is?
Seems like you are awfully sure about coping mechanisms.
Ill tell you what if you are not into yoga if you have half a brain.... youll know I already figured it out, nope.
It was a joke, as I thought your reply was (non pejoratively, in good fun) a joke.

I am using the term more broadly than appropriate to some I suppose. I think there are positive, neutral, negative coping mechanisms. If you want to be as broad as possible, I could call "the development of pencils" a coping mechanism to deal with the fact that we don't have perfect memories nor the ability to write without one. Absurd, but I'm trying to make a point.

There are definitly better ways to do what Yoga accomplishes than Yoga. Ideally the people that do it, do it because it's the most cost-effective thing that they can do under certain criteria. Like that they're in their 60s and need the physical activity and time to decompress their thoughts. People don't think like that though.
 

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Being a bit schizo loosens the neurons some. The threshold for solve/coagulate is lowered. Much better than having a hardened brain. Reality is "different" Not distorted.
Sure. Most parameters for what a disorder is, the tendencies you have that interfere with your ability to interface with society. What makes someone "crazy" is the inability to communicate what they are thinking to others. That being said, if you aren't adapted to these atypical mind operations, you very much will not be interacting with reality appropriate because your perspective, is, unless you can come up with a better word, distorted. It's like being given acid without your knowledge and never having a trip before. I don't think distorted is necessarily a bad connotation.

That's an excellent coping mechanism
What is?
Seems like you are awfully sure about coping mechanisms.
Ill tell you what if you are not into yoga if you have half a brain.... youll know I already figured it out, nope.
It was a joke, as I thought your reply was (non pejoratively, in good fun) a joke.

I am using the term more broadly than appropriate to some I suppose. I think there are positive, neutral, negative coping mechanisms. If you want to be as broad as possible, I could call "the development of pencils" a coping mechanism to deal with the fact that we don't have perfect memories nor the ability to write without one. Absurd, but I'm trying to make a point.

There are definitly better ways to do what Yoga accomplishes than Yoga. Ideally the people that do it, do it because it's the most cost-effective thing that they can do under certain criteria. Like that they're in their 60s and need the physical activity and time to decompress their thoughts. People don't think like that though.
Possibly, but I never came a cross something as good as yoga that is the same effect.
 

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mindreaders can see microexpressions.
but only the people with extreme luck simulate telepathically
 

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Well, I suppose there is something intrinsic about the experience that is fulfilling for someone that matters. Meditation for example when you think about it isn't that good. Want to still your mind? Try to free-write as much as possible within an hour. I would do this all the time a while ago. Just write off the top of my head whatever came to it. It would get repetitive, but at least I'd have an inventory of my though processes. Not many people would find that fulfilling however, though I do believe that there would be many associated benefits.

mindreaders can see microexpressions.
but only the people with extreme luck simulate telepathically
Yeah, I would think about it like a psychological therapist who has treated 100s of patients. They aren't really predicting anything, they just know the most common issues and have a specific approach that they find brings their client relief. This is why knowing exactly what your doing in your head and not just mucking about is important.
 

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I think I am going to break it off with psychiatrists, since they are in on it too.
Better just to stick to what I know is best.

See free writing is bull. It does not do anything at all. Because there is no free writing really. There is just jumble of few words that is primed.
What words are primed is already changeable anyhow.

So you would not get the reading you want.
 

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Still cannot read minds, but thoughts are up to grabs.

Question is why lie about it when its so patently obvious.

I have always known about it.
 

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I tried automatic writing before. I wrote so fast I almost had no idea I was writing anything. But I did and it was not nonsense. I wrote real stuff.

freewriting is just slower. More contamination from the consciousness.
 

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Definitely a lot less research behind Free writing, so you have that for you. But the research does exist. The "broader look" section points to studies that show "therapeutic writing" being almost equally effective as a class of drugs (statins) that treats cholesterol, HBP and stroke. Something that I'm sure mindfulness practices share an attribute with. Meditation is hard, but with Freewriting you need to produce more (minimum) effort to create an output, imo of course.

Maybe one of the reasons having the right psychiatrist may indeed be something you want to get correct. Not saying one that happens to agree with you, but one that is open to multiple solutions to a single problem, unlike the onetrack mind dynamic that Westerners seem to have.

I've only done Yoga in a group setting once with an instructor and it was very interesting and enabling. I wish I remembered the stretches. I can't picture myself doing it outside of this setting because I'm always doing an exercise in context of improving a specific thing, like a muscle group. A perfectionist flaw I have which I am also working on perfecting.

That perfectionist mentality might very well be at the crux of what spiritual enlightenment seeks to diminish, but I don't buy this entirely.
 

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Mind reading doesn't explain it though, empathy is where you can feel someones real motives whether their minds are aware of it or not. Empathy is just kind of an odd sensation of feeling like someone near you's feelings are yours. Example: sitting in a group meeting at work and inexplicably wanting to argue because the person next to you wants to argue with you. Or, lets say, where you just feel drained one morning/day because the world is on edge about something catastrophic about to happen. You are picking up on vibes in the world. There is are more than one intelligence center in your body besides the brain - for example, the gut, the crown chakra or the heart are also intelligence centers that can be receptive to information. So, you can download information and just KNOW something without knowing why you know it. Empathic psychic feeling, seeing, hearing or knowing. If Im in a group setting, it happens all the time, I can feel what others really think and I prefer to not be in crowds for that reason. It gets interesting if an empathic person walks into a casino, as the slot machines that are about to pay can literally make you feel a tingling excitement in your solar plexus area. These are different centers that have an intelligence of their own. Also, certain foods can activate those centers and help them work better. Brocolli, Almonds, or Tamarind drinks. Look online for an Agua Fresca recipe and eat those items a few times a week to help those functions. (Just boil tamarind pods for ten minutes, let them soak in the water for an hour and then squeeze the pods in your palm and strain). Chill and drink the strained water.
 

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Well I had seen people behave odd since 2003 at least.
I knew it. All this time suspected something was amiss alright.
But I am zeroing on this stuff. Wish me luck.
 

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bad idea, but then there is telepathy.

i think the worse tech could be like the one charles xaiver is using in xmen, cerebus or something.
 

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its a technology most likely getting abused by the ruling elites.
 

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If the elites had such a technology, or anyone for that matter, there is no telling if they would be able to 100% control things. Look at the emergent Web 2.0 and how much control the rulling class has now. Sure they have a lot, but they're scared shitless so hard that they're letting people like Trump win worldwide. Best they are doing with "cerberus like" tech right now is keeping the ball in their court. Hopefully they don't put someone competent in power.
 
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