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Puffy

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Okay so the antnest has been kicked and people are brawling instead of laying down and taking it. We are in the middle of a revolution on INTPf. Maybe. Probably not.

Lefties are making attack threads against conservatives. Puffy made a thread on conservatives simping for Elon, and Walrus made a thread calling conservatives cucks, and a second thread calling police socialist. These frame the conversation putting conservatives on the defense for once maybe? Will this make the forum great? I don't think so.

First, Cog has his hands tied because I've just told him he needs to slow down on the making of threads (and I'm still enforcing this). This isn't a truly free market of ideas right now. If people spam threads in the other direction they'll get throttled too.

Second, this is still more of the same. The forum will continue to be weighed down by aggressive political rhetoric which fractures us as a community. Most of the talk is pretty low level arguing over semantics (such as what socialism/communism means) which is unproductive. I'm still walking away from conversations out of frustration with them not going anywhere.

Third, you guys don't have the fire in your blood to keep this up. You're larping. You're giving them a taste of their own medicine while you're galvanised right now, but in a month Cog will still be cackling in the trenches while you guys are tired and sobbing. Your relationship with conflict is different, and you will suffer attrition.

Finally, I don't think people will change their minds. I encourage everyone who changes their mind on things as a result of these adversarial conversations to post it here to prove me wrong.

I'm posting this here as a challenge for people to try and make the forum better than my low expectations for it. This isn't the first time Zion has fallen.

If you want a change in behaviour, I'd suggest being really clear about what is expected. For example, Puffy, walrus or other lefties don't create political threads that invite a flame war from right-wing posters or you will be subject to the same penalties as cog.

No offence but all this post serves to do is frame you as having the moral highground without taking action or proposing a way forwards.
 

Hadoblado

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I wasn't giving a directive. You guys haven't been pushing out political threads year after year, so I'm not telling you to stop. I'm not trying to change your behaviour.

I was just saying if it gets out of hand I will put brakes on it, same as Cog, but you can expect ample warning ahead of time.

Sorry I can see I was unclear.
 

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I wasn't giving a directive. You guys haven't been pushing out political threads year after year, so I'm not telling you to stop. I'm not trying to change your behaviour.

I was just saying if it gets out of hand I will put brakes on it, same as Cog, but you can expect ample warning ahead of time.

Sorry I can see I was unclear.
Oh no. Please don't put out brakes. How ever will we manage!
Maybe why don't you *actually* put out the brakes you mean to put out.

Pussy!
 

Puffy

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I wasn't giving a directive. You guys haven't been pushing out political threads year after year, so I'm not telling you to stop. I'm not trying to change your behaviour.

I was just saying if it gets out of hand I will put brakes on it, same as Cog, but you can expect ample warning ahead of time.

Sorry I can see I was unclear.

Yeah I was going to say it's the first thread I've created in a year probably ^_^;

Not my best effort admittedly but then I was never much of a thread creator.
 

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I wasn't giving a directive. You guys haven't been pushing out political threads year after year, so I'm not telling you to stop. I'm not trying to change your behaviour.

I was just saying if it gets out of hand I will put brakes on it, same as Cog, but you can expect ample warning ahead of time.

Sorry I can see I was unclear.

Yeah I was going to say it's the first thread I've created in a year probably ^_^;

Not my best effort admittedly but then I was never much of a thread creator.
I have news for you: nobody cares about you, except you. And rightfully so! Because your mostly suck until proven otherwisely.
(Which is where such things as 'best effort's come in)
 

Puffy

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I wasn't giving a directive. You guys haven't been pushing out political threads year after year, so I'm not telling you to stop. I'm not trying to change your behaviour.

I was just saying if it gets out of hand I will put brakes on it, same as Cog, but you can expect ample warning ahead of time.

Sorry I can see I was unclear.

Yeah I was going to say it's the first thread I've created in a year probably ^_^;

Not my best effort admittedly but then I was never much of a thread creator.
I have news for you: nobody cares about you, except you. And rightfully so! Because your mostly suck until proven otherwisely.
(Which is where such things as 'best effort's come in)

Watch out guys, there's a badass with a Pink Floyd avatar rustling jimmies over here.

I hereby name this plot of land in your honour.

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Kuu

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Kuu is conservative (don't let him hear you say that or you'll get a lecture though) but he's very rarely around.
You say political commentary here is shallow and yet you go ahead and say that after we've talked about this a thousand times... :rolleyes:

Your handwringing about muh conservative propaganda just contributes to the shitfest that you complain so much about. There will never be "unity" in regards to political discourse. Never. And an elevation of the political discourse in present time is simply impossible for too many reasons. If anyone doesn't want to take shit then don't talk about fucking politics outside the politics forum. It's very simple.

The fact that this place is uncensored, while so many other places have been censored in the past few years, is the reason you might perceive an imbalance in viewpoints. But the fact that there's people with dissenting opinions here is a great thing, and were it to become one sided it would truly be its death knell.

run by leftist social-justice militants at the height of the social-justice wave, and the mods themselves joined in on bullying anyone who didn't have the correct political opinions (and of course sometimes banned people).
This is also an exaggeration and selective memory. The moderation team has never been single-minded nor politically aligned, and this is very easy to prove looking at the archives. To claim, as some have done, that the forum has ever been led essentially by progressives is a gross misrepresentation. Furthermore most of the people that got banned didn't get banned for politics but for engaging in rampant flamewars all over the forum, and for fuck's sake if we didn't give them a fuckton of leeway before they were banned. If anything the biggest issue we had is we didn't act sooner in too many cases.

I think it's a bloody cop out to blame people for leaving and not having 'smart-enough' people on the forum (and even that's untrue). Everybody seems to have a problem with certain people creating lots of threads. Obviously it's going to seem like people are tooting their own horn but that's not the case. You cannot blame me for playing metalcore in one room of a giant steel factory and then say that the steel mill's homeless population is tired of metalcore propaganda. Why don't you blast your own music, create your own threads?
This has always been my position. People should complain less, and act more. Want more "smart" threads? Make them. Don't like Y topic dominating and want more of X topic? Stop whining and make them. Don't want shit flinging? Don't engage in it.


I think in regards to OPs question of why this place isn't more populated, its twofold:

1. Forums are just dead in the age of social media. People want a quick fix, and there's plenty other places for that. This place's pace is far too slow for the vast majority of people, and most people don't even want to discuss other people's ideas at all anymore, only engage in some sort of masturbatory exercise or warfare masquerading as discourse. That is of course in large part a consequence of how politics have developed in the past decade.

2. MBTI as the "main" thing is just terrible. At the time the forum was founded it was a different world, a different internet. What was once an intriguing topic is now just a pathetic meme. If this place had something like a niche hobby, any other topic as its principal focus, then it would be instantly more attractive. What's there to gain about talking here about *speciality topic Z* if the population is just not big enough and nobody cares or knows anything about it, because there's nothing in common to the people here except some vague attachment to "INTP / MBTI"?

Having said that I don't think it's impossible to drive more people here. Just very hard.
 

Puffy

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No offense @Kuu but you can quickly identify a conservative here by how quickly they bring up the topic of censorship. :dolphin:
 

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(newscaster voice) This just in, Elon has just implemented misinformation and disinformation policy on X, critics say the enforcement is politically biased, now over to Steve with the weather.
 

Kuu

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No offense @Kuu but you can quickly identify a conservative here by how quickly they bring up the topic of censorship. :dolphin:
Everyone that complains about censorship is a "conservative"? Take your head out of the gutter, the world of political ideology is not binary. But it is funny because alienating everyone that might have been an ally and throwing them into the arms of conservatives is an amazing strategy...

It would have been nicer if you'd bother to ask what I actually think rather than throwing such mindless pigeonholing. You know, to make intpforum great or something.
 

Puffy

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No offense @Kuu but you can quickly identify a conservative here by how quickly they bring up the topic of censorship. :dolphin:
Everyone that complains about censorship is a "conservative"? Take your head out of the gutter, the world of political ideology is not binary. But it is funny because alienating everyone that might have been an ally and throwing them into the arms of conservatives is an amazing strategy...

It would have been nicer if you'd bother to ask what I actually think rather than throwing such mindless pigeonholing. You know, to make intpforum great or something.

I appreciate that humour doesn't carry across well online, particularly mine as my humour is so dry it's basically a desert. But I didn't intend this as a personal attack, more being playful as censorship has been a common theme raised by right wing posters in the last few months. Same with the comment about American capitalism and Elon in the Elon simping thread.

If I'm being honest I'm not a political person in that I'm not interested in building up sides or allies. I don't personally identify as representing the left on INTPforum.
 
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