INTJ / INFJ mashup

[fluffy]

It's true that I don't present as the normal INTJ

With the big difference of Fi and Fe tangential to INFJ

So I have to think about INFP/ ISFP dom Fi types.

I know several

It begins with the experience of music.

Fi types really do experience music different.

Connecting with it

And Fi types really do have in a way involvement.

For or against

Me I can but I can't. I try to see the messages in them. But often I just get the rhythm then the meaning. Could be a Se thing.

I was told that we cannot really know people by an ISFJ but that's untrue because that denies we can understand emotions. Where emotions show what is inside a person. And emotions are not just the face or persona. They are inside. It is just that you need to observe them. You observe people going inside themselves. The physiology of it is apparent. They have an internal experience.

I just don't know how blatantly Fi people can numb themselves to others. To disconnect when angry and abuse the other. It's not disassociation but intense hate and calmness at the same time. You cannot breach that.

So in music not all about anger but all emotions they are involved with it. I don't like getting involved so much. I don't sing along rather I listen well staying separate from the person singing it.

This could be why ISFJ was more separated from others. The Si function and Fe together only works when they do stuff with others and or get to know you up close. A body connection that Ni is more intangible, Si is not looking at the feelings for where they come from as to describe their origin.

INTJ works with close feelings, Ni as what originated a personal emotion Fi. ISTJ more so as, this is true because I experienced it. I worked it out myself in my experience, my body. I know what I can do and I have my emotional connection to it as with others - do you know or don't you know how to do the job. INTJ more likely that they see you can do it when you have the right education, that is they see in you future potential of an ability - He can do it he just needs lessons x y z

The INFJ sees the origin of other's the same way not practically per say as what the need to do but more work together with anyone in any situation because the INFJ by Ni and Fe know the emotions are tending in bad or good directions - Are they accepting what I am telling them. By this INFJ learns what to say and not say. The state of the person is this or that way and will go in this or that way. The INTJ as to this sees others by utility benchmarks. Assigning people or things by certain objectives. INFJ tend to see others by a relationship to them as with emotions that a person is a way an know what that way is.

So, to sum, I haven't seen many INTJ female nor INFJ males. Both seem to blurry as to a real distinction between them. INFJ female are more watchful of people INTJ males are more about achievement. But genders do affect a types presentation and objectives in life.

The personality software said I was a 40 yo INTJ female 7 years ago. This interests me. I considered it. And I would like to explore it more.

 

[EndogenousRebel]

Everything is female for a chad personality software personality.

 

[fluffy]

Everything is female for a chad personality software personality.

Before it was cool to be into a.i.

IBM made a chad a.i.

Except I think they were trying to be objective.

They had a great number of scientists.

Working on it from 2011 to 2017

On big computers.

They also are a business that needs to provide services. To understand customers.

The products with demographics.

To other businesses.

This is hidden nowadays but before is was interesting because experimental models had really good results. The best models even had open source data that confirmed them.

It could be said they know people better than themselves (who you are in the inside )

 

[fractalwalrus]

It's true that I don't present as the normal INTJ

With the big difference of Fi and Fe tangential to INFJ

So I have to think about INFP/ ISFP dom Fi types.

I know several

It begins with the experience of music.

Fi types really do experience music different.

Connecting with it

And Fi types really do have in a way involvement.

For or against

Me I can but I can't. I try to see the messages in them. But often I just get the rhythm then the meaning. Could be a Se thing.

I was told that we cannot really know people by an ISFJ but that's untrue because that denies we can understand emotions. Where emotions show what is inside a person. And emotions are not just the face or persona. They are inside. It is just that you need to observe them. You observe people going inside themselves. The physiology of it is apparent. They have an internal experience.

I just don't know how blatantly Fi people can numb themselves to others. To disconnect when angry and abuse the other. It's not disassociation but intense hate and calmness at the same time. You cannot breach that.

So in music not all about anger but all emotions they are involved with it. I don't like getting involved so much. I don't sing along rather I listen well staying separate from the person singing it.

This could be why ISFJ was more separated from others. The Si function and Fe together only works when they do stuff with others and or get to know you up close. A body connection that Ni is more intangible, Si is not looking at the feelings for where they come from as to describe their origin.

INTJ works with close feelings, Ni as what originated a personal emotion Fi. ISTJ more so as, this is true because I experienced it. I worked it out myself in my experience, my body. I know what I can do and I have my emotional connection to it as with others - do you know or don't you know how to do the job. INTJ more likely that they see you can do it when you have the right education, that is they see in you future potential of an ability - He can do it he just needs lessons x y z

The INFJ sees the origin of other's the same way not practically per say as what the need to do but more work together with anyone in any situation because the INFJ by Ni and Fe know the emotions are tending in bad or good directions - Are they accepting what I am telling them. By this INFJ learns what to say and not say. The state of the person is this or that way and will go in this or that way. The INTJ as to this sees others by utility benchmarks. Assigning people or things by certain objectives. INFJ tend to see others by a relationship to them as with emotions that a person is a way an know what that way is.

So, to sum, I haven't seen many INTJ female nor INFJ males. Both seem to blurry as to a real distinction between them. INFJ female are more watchful of people INTJ males are more about achievement. But genders do affect a types presentation and objectives in life.

The personality software said I was a 40 yo INTJ female 7 years ago. This interests me. I considered it. And I would like to explore it more.

Eh, didn't you say you were schizo way back? That shit would make anyone not really fit into boxes. That's cool, though. Schizos are way preferable to normies. Normies are responsible for making the world an insufferable place.

 

[fluffy]

Boxes?

I would think people understand.

This is about something that can be observed objectively

A box implies this is made up sh*t

 

[fractalwalrus]

Boxes?

I would think people understand.

This is about something that can be observed objectively

A box implies this is made up sh*t

The box is a metaphor for restrictions on thought, or categorical ways of thinking. At some point, a thing can be said to cross from one category to another. Take the color spectrum, for example.

 

[fluffy]

Duplicate

 

[fluffy]

Boxes?

I would think people understand.

This is about something that can be observed objectively

A box implies this is made up sh*t

The box is a metaphor for restrictions on thought, or categorical ways of thinking. At some point, a thing can be said to cross from one category to another. Take the color spectrum, for example.

A spectrum has two directions where we would be talking about the dimensionality of personality that the Jungian model is proposing (4). This then is not a box placed on an axis but the axis itself which is the model.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Boxes?

I would think people understand.

This is about something that can be observed objectively

A box implies this is made up sh*t

The box is a metaphor for restrictions on thought, or categorical ways of thinking. At some point, a thing can be said to cross from one category to another. Take the color spectrum, for example.

A spectrum has two directions where we would be talking about the dimensionality of personality that the Jungian model is proposing (4). This then is not a box placed on an axis but the axis itself which is the model.

The thing is, when you take most of the MBTI tests, they tend to assign you percentage scores. The boxing is drawn at the 50% point

 

[fluffy]

Boxes?

I would think people understand.

This is about something that can be observed objectively

A box implies this is made up sh*t

The box is a metaphor for restrictions on thought, or categorical ways of thinking. At some point, a thing can be said to cross from one category to another. Take the color spectrum, for example.

A spectrum has two directions where we would be talking about the dimensionality of personality that the Jungian model is proposing (4). This then is not a box placed on an axis but the axis itself which is the model.

The thing is, when you take most of the MBTI tests, they tend to assign you percentage scores. The boxing is drawn at the 50% point

MBTI is not axis based it is dichotomy biased.

The functions as Carl Jung proposed has four functions which are feeling thinking intuition and sensing. MBTI has four dicomomies. (E-I) and (P-J) are not functions in Jungian terms.

A function is either I or E they don't exist by themselves. There is no such thing as an extrovert or introvert without a function involved.

Thinking and feeling is judgment and sensing and intuition are perception. There is no such thing as a perceiving person without sensing or intuition. There is not such thing as judgment without thinking or feeling.

In MBTI I and E are there own things and P and J are there own things. That makes them not the axis itself.

In Jungian terms F and T and N and S must be on the direction E and I - the next axis is perception vs judgment and both have axis against T vs F and S vs N

You cannot do both Fi and Ti at the same time nor Fe and Te nor Si and Ni nor Se and Ne

MBTI just is not axis based.

Dicomomies have no functions in their model.

 

[fractalwalrus]

Boxes?

I would think people understand.

This is about something that can be observed objectively

A box implies this is made up sh*t

The box is a metaphor for restrictions on thought, or categorical ways of thinking. At some point, a thing can be said to cross from one category to another. Take the color spectrum, for example.

A spectrum has two directions where we would be talking about the dimensionality of personality that the Jungian model is proposing (4). This then is not a box placed on an axis but the axis itself which is the model.

The thing is, when you take most of the MBTI tests, they tend to assign you percentage scores. The boxing is drawn at the 50% point

MBTI is not axis based it is dichotomy biased.

The functions as Carl Jung proposed has four functions which are feeling thinking intuition and sensing. MBTI has four dicomomies. (E-I) and (P-J) are not functions in Jungian terms.

A function is either I or E they don't exist by themselves. There is no such thing as an extrovert or introvert without a function involved.

Thinking and feeling is judgment and sensing and intuition are perception. There is no such thing as a perceiving person without sensing or intuition. There is not such thing as judgment without thinking or feeling.

In MBTI I and E are there own things and P and J are there own things. That makes them not the axis itself.

In Jungian terms F and T and N and S must be on the direction E and I - the next axis is perception vs judgment and both have axis against T vs F and S vs N

You cannot do both Fi and Ti at the same time nor Fe and Te nor Si and Ni nor Se and Ne

MBTI just is not axis based.

Dicomomies have no functions in their model.

The poorly designed tests do not take what you are saying here into account. The ones I am referring to tend to rate your reliance or use of each of the 8 functions. I've taken a few variants of the tests, and I do not agree with many of their design philosophies.