I hate saying it but this sounds so true to me...

[DIALECTIC]

Clearly a strongly anti-P article (that could be easily be swapped around about Js showing their misleading habit of showing off their P / relativistic / open minded capabilities to new people too !!), however the P being strong in me, i must agree with its contents... What do you guys think ?? Can you recognize yourself ?

I think in times of extreme stress, opportunities to seize etc. Ps behave like Js and Js behave like Ps... Everytime i prevailed the most in life was when i behaved like a J in short outburst, then a down (P)hase followed which was worse in the end...


http://www.socionics.com/articles/phenomenon.html

If you normally decide on someone's type by going - E or I?, S or N?, F or T?, J or P?, then you MUST know this: P types have a misleading habit of showing off their J capabilities to new people. I wonder if this is something P types do without realising they are doing it or they really have a "sinister" plan in mind. In any case there is always a show off period, which fades away gradually as P types become more familiar with you. Of course, lots of what's been said depends on a person, but this pattern keeps popping up persistently.

At the beginning P types do what they say they would and keep their promises and come on time and show that they can be trusted, etc. They do it in incredibly believable way, if you don't know that you've got a P type in front of you, you would never question their trustworthiness.

Then time passes and they slip. First they slip just a bit, tiny little bit just to check how you would react to that. There is always an excuse, ALWAYS! Then they do it a bit more, and a bit more, and gradually as they feel they know you better, they let it go and before you know it all turns into one huge P mess. Endless excuses, poor time management, broken promises, unfulfilled contracts, cancelled jobs - you name it! This is the time when you really should start deciding on J/P bit, unlike the E/I bit that is more obvious at the first contact. So here is the rule:

E/I - the first preference in the type acronym - should be decided upon first, while the impression from the first contact is still fresh.

j/p - the last preference in the type acronym - should be decided upon last, after the first "run into" impression has settled and you begin to see the real McCoy.


And here is the graph to illustrate the above rule:

 

[ummidk]

Yup I definitely identify with that...too well, was just thinking about how I do this, this week lol.

 

[DIALECTIC]

Yup I definitely identify with that...too well, was just thinking about how I do this, this week lol.

Indeed... When i met my ex partner i behaved more like E..J and she behaved more like I..P; 11 years later i was behaving like a totally genuine INTP and she behaved like a totally genuine ESFJ... Therefore we splitted up as we just couldn't stand each other anymore ! It proves this article right !

If appearance is J, then true essence is P...
If appearance is E, then true essence is I...

and vice versa !

 

[ummidk]

Isn't that graph actually saying that your judge of E/I will be quite good on first impression, but it may be harder to judge with more interaction ( I could see this being true for introverts as they may seem more extraverted as they get to know you/open up to you).

 

[Hadoblado]

I would say that this is largely true of most aspects of personality for anyone who has some non-zero level of self-monitoring. People want to hide all their crazy and look normal, because it works.

I don't want to show people just how cold I am, not would I want them to know I'm a gushy emotional vortex. You don't want people knowing your fixation on the here and now, nor do you want them knowing the level of abstraction from which operate.

When so much is based on first impressions, playing conservative forces people to forgo judgement until they are more accepting of you, at which point they are invested in knowing you and will therefore be more likely to rationalise your outlier characteristics.

 

[TimeAsylums]

"Put your best foot forward"

 

[Pizzabeak]

Mostly due to the system... If you were at a job interview why would you be yourself? You gotta exaggerate and essentially act to be what they are looking for, until it's too late and they invested time in you already. Which is kinda lame of course, but.

Also: this brings a tear to my eye for some reason

 

[DIALECTIC]

Actually i have been thinking: the reason the J-ness in us P's fades away sooner than later is because we usually adapt so good to our environment that at some point we in fact transcend it, we go beyond it and:
A-we discover that environment we used to believe in has major flaws that can't be repaired after we tried and tried to fix them !
And: B-our environment just can't match our own momentum / speed !

So we just lose hope / faith, get slacking and we simply go back to our natural relaxed P-ness !!

I wonder if the opposite is true too i.e with J's displaying P-ness in their environment and their P-ness fading away sooner than later when they themselves lose hope / faith in their environments and therefore go back to their absolutistic / closed minded J-ness ?