Hi all! I have an idea.

[QvotheLionheart]

I'm new here. I've been lurking the shit out of this forum for days now and finally decided to make an account I hope to discuss amazing things with all of you like-minded individuals. The first of those things being an idea that I would like to present. My idea is to create an intentional community/commune like none other with of course, like minded individuals... at the beginning at least. Thoughts? Also here's a link to a thread on reddit where i presented this idea it may give you a touch of info as to some of my ideas :

http://www.reddit.com/r/INTP/comments/159wcn/looking_to_form_a_communeintenional_community/

 

[SpaceYeti]

Just repost here. I'm not opening another tab. I'm too lazy for that (but not too lazy to post this).

 

[QvotheLionheart]

http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski.html

 

[SpaceYeti]

Still not opening another tab.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

k

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Still not opening another tab.

Hahahahahahahahaha . Made my day.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I'm new here. I've been lurking the shit out of this forum for days now and finally decided to make an account I hope to discuss amazing things with all of you like-minded individuals. The first of those things being an idea that I would like to present. My idea is to create an intentional community/commune like none other with of course, like minded individuals... at the beginning at least. Thoughts? Also here's a link to a thread on reddit where i presented this idea it may give you a touch of info as to some of my ideas :

http://www.reddit.com/r/INTP/comments/159wcn/looking_to_form_a_communeintenional_community/

Maybe you should post those ideas here. Makes it easier for us to give feedback and what not. At the least outline your goals and the reasons why.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

My goals are to live in community where people can truly be free thats the base of it there is A LOT of ideas and things that go into it so i figured that if people were interested they could maybe ask things but to start my main goal would be to have a truly free community/society somehow it seems it can be done through an intentional community type situation.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Why are you commited to not copy/pasting it here?

 

[QvotheLionheart]

Oh and sorry spaceyeti I didn't think you actually wanted it all pasted here. I'd rather not paste it all here because for one it has a link in it anyway... which is kind of relevant so you would still have to open a tab. Also its a thread so there are something like 70+ comments I thought people may want to read along with my original post. Its seems like a lot to repost I figured a link would just settle it.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

My goals are to live in community where people can truly be free thats the base of it there is A LOT of ideas and things that go into it so i figured that if people were interested they could maybe ask things but to start my main goal would be to have a truly free community/society somehow it seems it can be done through an intentional community type situation.

Oh your meaning out there. In the real world. Wellll good luck with that. I'm not saying its a bad idea. I'm just suggesting that it is highly unlikely it will succeed.

There are communities out there that say the same thing. Mainly cults.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

There's roughly over 3000 of these intentional communities in the U.S. alone living off the grid cultivating there own cultures as of now. I see it as pretty possible I just wanted to see what other INTP's thought about it.

edit: and although many about half of them are mainly religious such as christian not many of them are cults just people trying to live life on this planet exactly as they please.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Okay, so I watched the first minute of the film. Is that the society you were meaning? Basically you all live on a farm and supply your own food. We do that as well only there is three of us. And one house.

Working towards the good of the community. So a communist society? That could work. As long as greed doesn't take over and no dictator comes along.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

that video is a small aspect of a dynamic that can happen in one of these communities and surely anyone stupid enough to be greedy in a situation where we are all living off grid trying to better our basic living conditions and overall community well being would easily be ostracized by the community... in a heartbeat, thats just commonsense. As for dictator ship there would be none just group voting on things but this would require like minded individuals all trying to achieve something similar.

Edit: Also you get more people and build more houses.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Fuck that kind of community. I like modern society. Well, mostly. It's better than that, at any rate.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

you can make a modern community with internet, modern technology and whatever else you want and have no bills. You could live life as you do now except without all the bullshit. You said it yourself "well mostly", you'd control every aspect of your own life.

 

[devslashnull]

When I first started reading the OP I had a completely seperate train of thought.

My first thought was of the television show Eureka. The premise of this show is that there is a small (and secret) town full of super-geniuses and experts who are provided with a good life and nearly unlimited resources in order to conduct their research. The catch of course being that the town must provide new military tech to the US government in order to stay operational. It is a comedy show and can be very cheesy at times, but I recommend it.

Anyway, onto your topic about the intentional community.

I have always been interested in the idea of having a community of like minded individuals to live with, mostly because I have spent much of my life surrounded by people I have found it difficult to communicate with; when I finally find someone similar to myself, i am ecstatic.

However I have my own reservations concerning a community like this:
-finding a place to have a commune such as this so that you are not affected by the laws of the land you are in. It would have to be a rural location far away from any strong government powers (middle of Greenland? North Dakota?).
-If you want electricity, you would either need to generate enough power yourself, or actually be a part of the gird; this would obviously defeat the purpose.
-In order to get internet you would have to use a satellite connection. In order to use a satellite you would have to pay for it and thus produce some kind of income.
-a farm requires a large amount of repetitive and laborious maintenance. An aspect of the community which I believe INTP's would have trouble keeping up with. So I think an INTP (or maybe even a NT) only community may be difficult to uphold.
-Once a group of people become a bit too large, politics and drama are bound to emerge. And if they get too harsh many people may leave; in a small community the departure of only a few people could be devastating.
-In order to pursue intellectual and personal pursuits to their fullest, income and communication +transportation to the outside world would be required.
-3D printers still require raw material to use. again, operating costs.

Still, i find the idea intriguing. If there were a way that the people would be able to live comfortably with modern technology, and pursue their own interests while avoiding any kind of major government powers, I would be all for it.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

When I first started reading the OP I had a completely seperate train of thought.

My first thought was of the television show Eureka. The premise of this show is that there is a small (and secret) town full of super-geniuses and experts who are provided with a good life and nearly unlimited resources in order to conduct their research. The catch of course being that the town must provide new military tech to the US government in order to stay operational. It is a comedy show and can be very cheesy at times, but I recommend it.

Anyway, onto your topic about the intentional community.

I have always been interested in the idea of having a community of like minded individuals to live with, mostly because I have spent much of my life surrounded by people I have found it difficult to communicate with; when I finally find someone similar to myself, i am ecstatic.

However I have my own reservations concerning a community like this:
-finding a place to have a commune such as this so that you are not affected by the laws of the land you are in. It would have to be a rural location far away from any strong government powers (middle of Greenland? North Dakota?).
-If you want electricity, you would either need to generate enough power yourself, or actually be a part of the gird; this would obviously defeat the purpose.
-In order to get internet you would have to use a satellite connection. In order to use a satellite you would have to pay for it and thus produce some kind of income.
-a farm requires a large amount of repetitive and laborious maintenance. An aspect of the community which I believe INTP's would have trouble keeping up with. So I think an INTP (or maybe even a NT) only community may be difficult to uphold.
-Once a group of people become a bit too large, politics and drama are bound to emerge. And if they get too harsh many people may leave; in a small community the departure of only a few people could be devastating.
-In order to pursue intellectual and personal pursuits to their fullest, income and communication +transportation to the outside world would be required.
-3D printers still require raw material to use. again, operating costs.

Still, i find the idea intriguing. If there were a way that the people would be able to live comfortably with modern technology, and pursue their own interests while avoiding any kind of major government powers, I would be all for it.

there's already people living that modern off the grid making income from various things, one had a couple million in the bank after a few years from refining peanuts into peanut butter and selling it through there region of the country. And when on a large self owned piece of land off the grid police/gov/authority really have no interest of ever being there, it would be acres of land.

All of your concerns have been already resolved on many of these communities even all at once. So it can be done.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

you can make a modern community with internet, modern technology and whatever else you want and have no bills. You could live life as you do now except without all the bullshit. You said it yourself "well mostly", you'd control every aspect of your own life.

Where would the power come from? Who would supply the internet?

 

[SpaceYeti]

you can make a modern community with internet, modern technology and whatever else you want and have no bills. You could live life as you do now except without all the bullshit. You said it yourself "well mostly", you'd control every aspect of your own life.

If I were single and jobless, you could probably convince me. No, I have a family whose well-being I'm not putting on the line for an experiment. It's that simple. I'm taking care of my family now. It's more important than this idea.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Hahahahahahahahaha . Made my day.

I do what I can to brighton the days of my fellow (insert whatever our commonality is).

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I do what I can to brighton the days of my fellow (insert whatever our commonality is).

Forum dweller

 

[Da Blob]

There's at least one thread in the Archives exploring the idea of a community of INTPians.

Unfortunately, the multiple threads concerning us taking over the world seem to provoke more serious contemplation and responses, than the idea of forming a village.

 

[Cavallier]

I was surfing along on the links provided when I ran across this little gem ,''Where do I get the blueprints? I want to build a tractor!''.

What would be the tenants of such a society. And by ''tenants'' I mean both people and guidelines. Where there is any group of people you must have organization.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

Where would the power come from? Who would supply the internet?

Internet from a ISP. Sometimes it has to be like a 4g hot spot type deal and the power would come from either solar panels or a running river or creek or both or another type of self sustaining energy. There's actually a lot of options for power.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

If I were single and jobless, you could probably convince me. No, I have a family whose well-being I'm not putting on the line for an experiment. It's that simple. I'm taking care of my family now. It's more important than this idea.

Understood.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

There's at least one thread in the Archives exploring the idea of a community of INTPians.

Unfortunately, the multiple threads concerning us taking over the world seem to provoke more serious contemplation and responses, than the idea of forming a village.

This village could be the start of world domination... or at least it's more practical.

I was surfing along on the links provided when I ran across this little gem ,''Where do I get the blueprints? I want to build a tractor!''.

What would be the tenants of such a society. And by ''tenants'' I mean both people and guidelines. Where there is any group of people you must have organization.

The people would be people who truly give a shit about life and the power they can potentially have over it. People who are truth seekers people who seek knowledge, people who WANT to achieve true happiness I'm 23 I have a pretty eclectic array of knowledge that continues to grow. Also, a common myth is that INTP's are lazy what that translates to is "INTP's only work towards what they deem worthy. What would be more worthy than creating a free, thriving, community with others. which is happening in many of these intentional communities already. These individuals would have to be open minded as well and over 18. The guidelines are pretty self explanatory to anyone who would actually consider doing something like this, don't make it a miserable shithole of a place or you can leave, thats it. Obviously it would be much more complicated and I cannot say what the guidelines are until I was in the situation the guidelines could possibly change in the actual situation. But the guidlines aren't anything crazy if that's what your asking... nothing like "you have to worship blah blah blah." Just basic tenants like peace, love, happiness, truth basic hippy shit except with a completely logical spin on it.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

This village could be the start of world domination... or at least it's more practical.

I wouldn't say more practical. Just cheaper.

The people would be people who truly give a shit about life and the power they can potentially have over it.

We already have power over it and just because we don't live in a 'like minded' community does not mean we don't give a shit about life.

People who are truth seekers people who seek knowledge, people who WANT to achieve true happiness.

Again, you do not need to live in a 'like minded' community for this either... Go to a library or ,you know, the internet. School was a starting point.. Albeit a useless one.

I'm 23 I have a pretty eclectic array of knowledge that continues to grow.

I'm 19 and I can say the same.

Also, a common myth is that INTP's are lazy what that translates to is "INTP's only work towards what they deem worthy.

This i personally agree with. But it isn't laziness. I just have better things on my mind.

What would be more worthy than creating a free, thriving, community with others.

Removing world hunger....

But I am interested to see if you take this further and start a community and how it would turn out in the long run.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

Fuck you guys, I'm in! No seriously.

Argument against: "Something could go wrong, and it's gonna' be haaaard, wahhhh."

Throw some chips in the pot motherfuckers.

The people would be people who truly give a shit about life and the power they can potentially have over it. People who are truth seekers people who seek knowledge, people who WANT to achieve

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[redbaron]

The people would be people who truly give a shit about life and the power they can potentially have over it. People who are truth seekers people who seek knowledge, people who WANT to achieve

People who have those qualities achieve anyway.

I feel like this idea is attractive only to people who aren't already achieving. There's really no incentive for anyone who already gets the most out of their life to care about this idea.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

You are correct redbaron. Will you also be so kind as to explain the color of the sky to me?

There are people in this world who see their life as, THEIR life. Career is not achievement to me, is it submission.

Getting the most out of life is taking command of it. And as I am forever greater than I was yesterday, I will. The course and destination don't matter so much, as long as they are of my making.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

Lol, this shit ain't gonna happen.

But here's my input on how to make it so: (if i know myself, and if you are me, then i know you. and i will speak as such)

Phase one: Recruitment.
Walk around talk around, find others of similar value, as you are doing now. But know not to push your ideals and objective specifics, these things will clash.(you know how you can be when others tell you how to run your shit)
Also you're selling this endeavor wrong. "Commune" is not a sparkle word, you got to work this shit as collective, or collaborative, something better. Roll with the times friend.
Say some shit like "Do you have want to live as an autonomous agent of a group amongst other autonomous agents, that actually functions withOUT carrots on sticks and the threat of your ass filled with dicks? Then come on down to Qvo's we got all your DIY self and society tinkering needs! Grab hold of the reigns at Qvo's"
And when you get a sufficient interest, before you place any investment beyond spreading interest and intent, start meeting irl with these people, it's easy to be "down as fuck" online, but you'll find that like only 1 in a dozen with be so committed as to take a bus ride half across the country to have tea with you.

Phase two: There is no phase two, if you get enough momentum, what happens next is natural no planning required.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

YES! @RadicalDreamer31 you understand!!! I totally agree with what you're saying and yes that all needs to be done. On e of the main reasons I've been talking about it online is because people IRL that are TRULY down to do this are hard to come by... also Finding land and funds is going to be exceptionally hard to do. I'm personally about to settle with moving to a successful community to get some experience in the community world there are pioneers and settler types I need to find more pioneers.


Also @TheScornedReflex... it is more practical and we don't have full power over our lives as time goes on(in america anyway) things get worse. The government sucks balls and the system is broken.... the down side??? We're forced to be part of the system. Civil rights are getting fucked more and more and voices of truth are being oppressed for various reasons. After years of study I don't see things getting any better. If you truly think you have full power and control of your life you have a lot to learn. Lastly when I say like minded I mean people who get what I want to do. For example, if I'm surrounded with people who don't understand whats going on then I can't really get as far as I could with people who do.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Also @TheScornedReflex... it is more practical and we don't have full power over our lives as time goes on(in america anyway) things get worse. The government sucks balls and the system is broken.... the down side??? We're forced to be part of the system. Civil rights are getting fucked more and more and voices of truth are being oppressed for various reasons. After years of study I don't see things getting any better. If you truly think you have full power and control of your life you have a lot to learn. Lastly when I say like minded I mean people who get what I want to do. For example, if I'm surrounded with people who don't understand whats going on then I can't really get as far as I could with people who do.

I do have control over my life... I have the power to end it just as I have the power to continue living. Yes the goverment has power over our lives but shit, they can't control how we live it.... Oh I just now understand your reasons for wanting this.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

Pioneer type...

I don't like most law. Law is bandage for systemic error and places power in the hands of fools, greed and malice.

I am not anti institution/governance/hierarchy, I just think they're backwards. I don't like being part of a system which sees its components as disposable and uses them only to propagate itself.

Could there be a life in which one is not restrained so they could learn and grow for their own purposes, as opposed to living to meet some demand?

The rhetoric of the old America I like. The reality of today's America, is anything but satisfactory. I was looking forward to the internet utopia, which hasnt happened, and won't. This is why I would claim to be this Pioneer type.

Do I have a fetish for ruffing it, living off the land and canning for the winter? No. My life is great and I am happy. It's just that I don't feel as if I am a participant, I feel like an observer in the back seat. If there was a modern society which allowed for me to live as I would if I were the only one living, that's where I'd be.


Down to business: The type of person that would do this and succeed at doing this, especially with your "logical spin" is hyper specific. As I mentioned locating, and corraling these fuckers is the real issue.

This forum thread thing, mmm. You got to have a name and a face to this for anyone to take it seriously.

My uncle has a some property which is mine through inheritance. He grows corn and tomatoes and shit just a hobby. This place is ideal as a starter kit. However there has to be like 30+ fuckers ON A BUS with all their shit, who I know and trust irl before I place anything on the table.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

Pioneer type...

I don't like most law. Law is bandage for systemic error and places power in the hands of fools, greed and malice.

I am not anti institution/governance/hierarchy, I just think they're backwards. I don't like being part of a system which sees its components as disposable and uses them only to propagate itself.

Could there be a life in which one is not restrained so they could learn and grow for their own purposes, as opposed to living to meet some demand?

The rhetoric of the old America I like. The reality of today's America, is anything but satisfactory. I was looking forward to the internet utopia, which hasnt happened, and won't. This is why I would claim to be this Pioneer type.

Do I have a fetish for ruffing it, living off the land and canning for the winter? No. My life is great and I am happy. It's just that I don't feel as if I am a participant, I feel like an observer in the back seat. If there was a modern society which allowed for me to live as I would if I were the only one living, that's where I'd be.


Down to business: The type of person that would do this and succeed at doing this, especially with your "logical spin" is hyper specific. As I mentioned locating, and corraling these fuckers is the real issue.

This forum thread thing, mmm. You got to have a name and a face to this for anyone to take it seriously.

My uncle has a some property which is mine through inheritance. He grows corn and tomatoes and shit just a hobby. This place is ideal as a starter kit. However there has to be like 30+ fuckers ON A BUS with all their shit, who I know and trust irl before I place anything on the table.

I completely understand what your saying. I can relate most to this ---> It's just that I don't feel as if I am a participant, I feel like an observer in the back seat. As well as your stance on laws and self propagating systems. I'm a real Abraham Lincoln kind of guy myself.

Now with that being said you mentioned land. Out of simple curiosity is your land near a fresh water source? Also, whats the weather like, where is it located?

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

I'm from Michigan, there's water here. Not to mention the plumbing.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

Down to business: The type of person that would do this and succeed at doing this, especially with your "logical spin" is hyper specific. As I mentioned locating, and corraling these fuckers is the real issue.

and yes the founding members would be very specific its just the way it is. The most successful Intentional community has a little over 100 members and growing. That's an extremely small portion of the population granted there are roughly 2000+ communities in the U.S. which are smaller. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that yes it will be hard finding a unique individuals willing to do this but it is possible. I kind of see it as a game of probability if you want I can give you some contact info, nothing too crazy if you wish to discuss this more. As you said you don't see this shit happening.... nor do I... at all..... but it would be great under the right circumstances.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I still would like to see this happen but my future career choice is against such a thing.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

And what I mean is fresh water for off the grid living it may not be necessary at first or at all but creating a system of complete self sufficiency would be ideal that includes sewage, water, electricity, agriculture, construction, almost everything(except internet) which we would need...... I know sounds crazy but that's what self sustaining is all about at some point complete self sustainability in comfortable modern living free of your run of the mill social restrictions would be ideal. And I'm not trying to sell you on using your land, just curious. In my mind the options are endless by no means am I relying on your land for anything. If anything you seem interested so i'm going a little bit more into detail... it would be a daunting task, which I'm trying to prepare people for. I can also send you some links to various videos to give you a visual understanding on some of this.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

Ive been work on becoming self empolyed. I do like web design and animation and stuff. I'm not as great as I would like to be. But in time, I hope to squeek out a living doing that.

And of course, we all can dream of how neat it would be to design and live in your own society. But we all logic too, so willingness to throw away ones efforts in life so far.

It's easy for me, if my style of self employment is successful for me, then I am not bound by location.

Oh yeah. Self sufficiency is definitely one of the main objectives. But this is years after founding.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

Ive been work on becoming self empolyed. I do like web design and animation and stuff. I'm not as great as I would like to be. But in time, I hope to squeek out a living doing that.

And of course, we all can dream of how neat it would be to design and live in your own society. But we all logic too, so willingness to throw away ones efforts in life so far.

It's easy for me, if my style of self employment is successful for me, then I am not bound by location.

well im in a similar boat I'm trying to implement self employment into my life, i'm literally working on my own website design start-up as well. but good talk all very interesting stuff im going to bed. I'll inbox you my email if you ever get any ideas about anything and i'll be around the forums.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

Wow. I hadn't realized these intentional communities were as numerous as they are. A lot of them aren't for me though, things like "We are a socially conscious community of vegetarians and vegans"... NOPE

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Wow. I hadn't realized these intentional communities were as numerous as they are. A lot of them aren't for me though, things like "We are a socially conscious community of vegetarians and vegans"... NOPE

Hey! There is nothing wrong with vegan hippies! It means more meat for the rest of us.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

 

[TheScornedReflex]

'Lettuce has a family too you heartless vegan fiend' Ahhhhhh hahahahahahaha.. My stomach hurts from laughing and lack of bacon in it.

 

[QvotheLionheart]

Lol i saw that on reddit yesterday.

 

[Katy]

I've toyed with this idea for a few years.. even started a 'religion' as a means to obtain a tax free threshold (n had to disband it after a few well placed warnings from certain religious groups :/ ) anyhoo... there's a few issues with it especially when you consider creating a self sufficient community.

Personalities, for starters. Even if you could manage to get a bunch of INTPs together, they still have to work together... the phrase, 'too many cooks....' comes to mind. When dealing with smaller numbers, it would be more likely to succeed but you'd still need a substantial capital to begin with as well as means to fall back on (poor rainfall, crop shortages, mill breaks down, etc). It isn't that easy to run a farm to feed a horde a people.... now if you want to do it totally organically as well....? shiiiiite, you're looking at a rough 30% loss each crop, due to some external factor... not to mention fertilizers required... you can say manure from livestock, but that needs to mature before it can be placed in a garden 'else it burns da crap outta it (hehehehe... I said crap) ... and if you're looking at field rotation....? better off just throwing a heap of wild herbs out there n planting in-between. Might get a better result that way

 

[Synthetix]

I made a thread titled, "Let's all live together" in which I discuss an INTP community.

 

[RadicalDreamer31]

Yeah? Let's do it then. I should read those threads...

There could be such a place, but with this crowd honest intent isn't common. I mean you guys are discussing in a thread titled "does effort matters" right now.

Would it work? Has anyone tried such a place?