Hey

[broomish0]

I've never been overly fond of introductions so ill jump straight into the reason I registered.

I am no less confused about myself now than I were prior to knowing of the existence of these personality types but for other reasons. Assuming that this method for identifying personality type is entirely correct: Why does thinking seemingly have to be mutually exclusive with feeling or am I misunderstanding something? When I read the description of an INTP I identified with everything on that page accept the parts that refereed to emotion but not entirely. I'm not confused by emotions in myself nor in others. Perhaps when I were younger my own emotions did confuse me but I think that was a case of immaturity. Nor do I find it particularly difficult to empathize in fact I'd go as far as to say I can intuitively pick up on an-others emotions while at the same time being able to pick up on them just as accurately by looking at the situation and events that have occurred and hypothesising what emotional effect that could have. While again, at the same time, being able to see clearly weather or not the emotions they or I am experiencing are rational.

I also consider it to be more important to myself that what I am feeling is rational than the mere fact I am feeling it and explaining to someone how their emotion is irrational completely and coherently and having them either not understand or be unable to overcome the feeling to be extremely aggravating. yet I wouldn't let my annoyance show as I still sympathize with them for the mere fact that they are feeling that emotion.

To be honest I'm not even sure what the question is in there just some insight if there is any to be given also Hi I'm Danny, English and i'm 24 nice to meet y'all

 

[Direwolf]

Hello Danny im australian, 16 but like to be nameless can call me wolf if you like or dire or really what ever floats tour metaphorical boat. Your or anyone elses choice anyway, hello!!!

 

[lonewolf]

Assuming that this method for identifying personality type is entirely correct

Probably not. It's just a theory and it does have some flaws.

why does thinking seemingly have to be mutually exclusive with feeling or am I misunderstanding something?

It doesn't, it's just a matter of preference. If you're a thinker you're more comfortable making decisions based on logic and facts, while if you're a feeler you'd rather give more importance to what feels right. Having said that, healthy thinkers can and do feel, and feelers can think logically (unless, of course, they have a condition that prevents them from doing so, but in this case being a thinker wouldn't change the situation).

If you haven't already, I suggest you read something about the functions, it can be really interesting. The INTP is Ti-dominant and Fe-inferior, so we do have a feeling function, albeit inferior and more often than not underdeveloped, especially in young IxTPs.

Perhaps when I were younger my own emotions did confuse me but I think that was a case of immaturity.

This might mean your Fe has developed over the years, which is usually considered to be a good thing

Well, I'm no expert.
And hello!

 

[broomish0]

Probably not. It's just a theory and it does have some flaws.

When I said assuming its correct I meant for simplicity not that I actually believe it myself, I haven't researched it enough to have an opinion.

It doesn't, it's just a matter of preference. If you're a thinker you're more comfortable making decisions based on logic and facts, while if you're a feeler you'd rather give more importance to what feels right. Having said that, healthy thinkers can and do feel, and feelers can think logically (unless, of course, they have a condition that prevents them from doing so, but in this case being a thinker wouldn't change the situation).

If you haven't already, I suggest you read something about the functions, it can be really interesting. The INTP is Ti-dominant and Fe-inferior, so we do have a feeling function, albeit inferior and more often than not underdeveloped, especially in young IxTPs.

Yeah as I looked into it more it seemed they weren't exclusive and it was just that the inferiority of the Fe in what I had read was an extreme example of it. Your explanation of it also clears it up further and I thank you for that. The fact that it's a preference of thought over feeling as opposed to me thinking there wasn't a choice involved was confusing me as I felt as you have described that I did indeed have choice. Is it necessary that Fe be inferior? I don't feel as though it is at all it feels completely based on preference for me. Or I guess if my Fe were inferior my lack of understanding of it could lead me to believe that it's not inferior :P

Immediately after writing that post I went to research it and I agree its very interesting and also helpful. My new understanding of how I think makes me able to do it better.

This might mean your Fe has developed over the years, which is usually considered to be a good thing

The way you put that makes me think that's not a common thing and though I'm inclined to believe that's not correct and I'm misinterpreting it I'm going to ignore it and take the ego boost :P

@Direwolf:
No need to explain why you didn't in turn give me your real name. I didn't expect or want reciprocity in that particular thing I did it purely because I'm comfortable with it and I wanted to. Thanks for taking the time to introduce yourself nice to meet ya

 

[Direwolf]

Thankyou for the understanding danny and again nice to meet you to, or talk to you really. Both of us would have very long flights to actually meet but i like the gesture behind it. Hello

 

[lonewolf]

Is it necessary that Fe be inferior?

According to the theory, yes. A true and ideal INTP should use Ti>Ne>Si>Fe>Te>Ni>Se>Fi, but, from what I've observed on some forums about personality, this is rarely the case (and by this I mean that some users, and more specifically, some INTPs, write the order of their functions in their signature, and most of them aren't exactly what you would expect e.g. Ti>Ne>Fi>Te>Fe>Si), which makes sense considering the huge amount of factors that can influence one's personality and personal growth. Everyone is different, I guess.

Short answer: in theory, yes. In practice, not really.

Or I guess if my Fe were inferior my lack of understanding of it could lead me to believe that it's not inferior :P

This is very true and I don't know what to answer :B

The way you put that makes me think that's not a common thing and though I'm inclined to believe that's not correct and I'm misinterpreting it I'm going to ignore it and take the ego boost :P

Makes sense
(anyway, I have no idea of whether or not it's common)
(but I did find an article that connects development and age)

 

[broomish0]

@Anyone who gives a shit:
The more I'm reading about INTPs the more I'm understanding that although we aren't as different from each-other as we are from everyone else, we are not similar enough for anyone of you to answer questions I have about myself with certainty.

@Direwolf:
When you corrected yourself, and in turn me, in regards to the difference between talking and meeting do you find if you do similar with people in general they will get upset? (some of them seem angry but I believe they are angry about being upset) And while I can now predict they will get upset and because I don't want them too I will stop myself from doing this I cant actually see why they would get upset. (From this point everything I say is just what I think) Taking what you have just done as an example: Not only should I not be upset because what you have said is actually correct on top of that you went as far as to use the same greeting in your sentence even though you were compelled to correct yourself (it's not even me you were actually correcting...)
Hello is better isnt it, its simple and correct, if only people didn't look at me like there was something wrong with me i'd say that!

According to the theory, yes. A true and ideal INTP should use Ti>Ne>Si>Fe>Te>Ni>Se>Fi, but, from what I've observed on some forums about personality, this is rarely the case (and by this I mean that some users, and more specifically, some INTPs, write the order of their functions in their signature, and most of them aren't exactly what you would expect e.g. Ti>Ne>Fi>Te>Fe>Si), which makes sense considering the huge amount of factors that can influence one's personality and personal growth. Everyone is different, I guess.

Short answer: in theory, yes. In practice, not really.[QUOTE/]

When you say ideal do you meen ideal as in for an INTP to function at their best or to most correctly fit the framework of an INTP as it is known in the MBTI? I think its the second but if its the first I need to look at what you said in more detail and do some research, that's why I ask. I like the idea of what you said people put in their signatures. If not to actually put in my own signature as that doesn't really appeal to me then just to 'Know'.

This is very true and I don't know what to answer :B[QUOTE/]

I was looking for what I had just said to be reinforced or to be shown I was wrong. I intended to read that article before before replying as I think its quite rude when you have gone to the trouble of finding it for me and I assure you I will read it however, I unconsciously started replying to direwolf in my head and I was interested in what I wanted to ask and say and I new id forget what I wanted to say if I didn't do it immediately.

Edit: Oh dear it seems I butchered the formatting of this post :/

 

[StevenM]

Welcome

 

[Direwolf]

@broomish0: all the time i would start of by correcting myself and/or others about why this wrong or right and what not. I would then proceed to go into an incomprehensible tangent to myself (sometimes audible, which annoys them aLot, cause they cant follow my thought patterns) about why this is logically correct but in the sense its used i should probably let it slide because they are trying to be polite. I always used to reach this stage a great deal of time after ive upset them, im getting better though. Oh whoops i went on a tangent. However since this is written (or typed) down you will undeniably be able to see my thought pattern and oh sorry im still doing it arent i? Ill just stop now

In regards to why they would get upset i believe its just because people hate being proven wrong on things as simple as that. They hate it. I find they dont mind as much however if you make an effort to identify with their mistake before you point it out. Other day my friend said morning to me at 12:01 in the afternoon. Usually i would correct them straight away, they would be pissed, think i come off as a smart ass and walk off. Instead ive started making the same mistake as well so they realise we are on the same "boat". We end up laughing it off. Makes it so much easier.

 

[lonewolf]

When you say ideal do you meen ideal as in for an INTP to function at their best or to most correctly fit the framework of an INTP as it is known in the MBTI? I think its the second but if its the first I need to look at what you said in more detail and do some research, that's why I ask. I like the idea of what you said people put in their signatures. If not to actually put in my own signature as that doesn't really appeal to me then just to 'Know'.

I mean ideal as in the INTP that most correctly fits the framework of an INTP as it is known in the MBTI.
[OPINION]In order to function at their best an INTP would probably adapt to the environment they have to work in, and unless said environment is INTP-friendly they'll develop some functions more than others, thus ending up with a non-typical functional stack.[/OPINION]
We could also say that we lack the right tools to know for sure what functions we actually use the most and that's why people who are/think they are of the same type score so differently on tests, because they don't know themselves (not enough to analyse their thought process and compare it with the descriptions of a function) and their answers are inaccurate. This would mean it's possible that the theory is always true, i.e. all INTPs use Ti>Ne>Si>Fe, all INTJs use Ni>Te>Fi>Se etc., but who knows...

I was looking for what I had just said to be reinforced or to be shown I was wrong. I intended to read that article before before replying as I think its quite rude when you have gone to the trouble of finding it for me and I assure you I will read it however, I unconsciously started replying to direwolf in my head and I was interested in what I wanted to ask and say and I new id forget what I wanted to say if I didn't do it immediately.

Don't worry It didn't even have that much to do with what I was saying/typing.

 

[broomish0]

The following will not completely make sense as it was not written for here it was in response to me lady but the parts of it that are important will make sense. This has literally just happend and im posting it in the hopes that someone can tell me weather I'm correct in my belief im totally justified to feel the way I just did and still do. Also if someone else posted that even if were not inclined to give and opinion id be interested so its there for that too.

I needed to calm down to remember it propperly, I have now. They are going on a holliday for my mums birthday today. I had agreed about a week ago to look after the dog today, naturally, I completely forgot. I have much better things to think about than looking after a dog. That does not meen that it wasnt important too me of course it was important so I could help my mum go on her holliday and have fun and relax, I just forgot. I guess you can see how problems arose with me being here and what happend with the keys this morning, of all the times to say yeah just leave ur keys its fine... I swear this world is just out to torment me. I then proceed to try and solve the problem. My first thought is that im obviously going to have to take your keys and your going to have to either come pick them or just come and stay at mine. Id rather you stayed at mine. I felt like you would rather stay at mine. I also know it would save you money to do that. Thats clearly the best option to me at that point (I forgot the house would be empty but one night im sure would of been fine) So I figure to achieve that You need to be able to come and stay and have what you need there so I need you to tell me wether you want to come I need you to tell me what you need for tonight and where to find it. Thats going to take maybe fifteen minutes if Im giving myself enough time plus I have to sort myself thats another five. My mum asks will I be ready in five minutes. No I wont mum. She gets exasperated and immediately im pissed off that shes exasperated that she has to wait 15 more minutes than she wanted too i order for me to be ready to GO AND DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY FOR HER I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DESIRE TO DO! I explain this to her in a slightly agitated manner but my no means nasty. She sighs again but I ignore it because she says okay. I then think hang on I can avoid her having to wait entirely, would my grandparents be able to have her til about 7 and then we could go together and pick her up and maybe get a lift from there to home off grandad saving you money you shouldnt have to spend in the first place because of my mistake. I text her to ring back and she does and before I can speak says do I want her to just leave the dog at the pub for when I go home. I say she cant really stay there on her own til 7ish can she. She agrees which makes me really fuckin confused about why put that forward as an idea in the first place seen as she knows I have to wait for you to come home from work so canot leave til 7 oclockisth! So I put forward the idea about the grandparents. With another sigh she says no and then repeats it. This makes me suspicious that she is really answering herself as much as me and also trying to convince us both. So establish weather or not it is in fact not possible (For whatever reason, if she had simply said they just cant look after the dog theyre tired and old I would of wanted to ring and make sure but I wouldnt and would of accepted it!!!!) at which point I hear him chirp up in his annoyed judgemental tone: Ohhhhh forget, forget it. My immediate reaction is to explain to try to explain that theres no reason to forget anything. Wthin half as second that idea vanishes and im filled with complete and utter rage at the fact he feels he can judge me for FUCKIN ANYTHING that has just happend. All he has heard me do is try to sort out the situation so I can go and DO SOMETHING I DONT WANT TO FUCKING DO IN THE FIRSTPLACE FOR HIS FUCKING BENEFIT. I said something, I cant remember what but it was loud and angry and my mum put the phone down. I spent the next ten minutes pacing round my room venting my frustration by sa ying what I wanted to say him to the walls and the air. That helped until it stopped helping and I just couldnt live with it. What he had done was not fair and it wasnt fair that I cant fucking rip into him because it will upset my mum. So I sent him that text and then he rang back. Like I said I cant remember what I said but my throats hurting from shouting. I didnt hold back I told him exactly what I think and exactly what he is and whats worse is I now realise from what he said when he rang the first and I answered was that he didnt ring back to try and understand what I said or that he could see the conviction in what I had said and entertained the fact that perhaps, just perhaps, he was wrong. No, he rang back because he felt I had physically challenged him...

Edit:I apologise for not replying to what has been said to me. Im not calm enough to do it propperly which im sure you can see from the grammatical and spelling mistakes in what has been said and the fact that it didnt even occur to me just how unappealing that wall of text was going to be and to format it.

Edit#2: After re-reading what I have said Its pretty clear you need to know a lot about my father and our relationship to be able to decide weather I was justified in my reaction as well as my feelings. The idea of that makes me feel even more like a whiney bitch than I do right now, I meen cmon im 24 just deal with it... But if anyone is legitimately interested in knowing more I will consider and probbably do it for that sake.

 

[Direwolf]

From what i can gather your arguement is justified from OUR point of view. However alot of people wouldnt see it that way. For example i agree with you but thats because i dont know any "better". Im not very knowledgeable about social nice ities. From what ive encountered, the general populace does things because that is socially expected, thats what they believe they should be doing so they try and do it as best they can for the other person. I can relate to your situation, there has been plenty of noce things ive done out of the goodness of my heart(hated doing it) then i get criticised or rushed. Its highly annoying. Ive found when you do things for people thats just how they act. Dont know if this is what you wanted (its what i got out of it, lost me a few times) dont even know if this made sense, however i hope it helped.