Help type me?

[raysofsunshine]

Any guidance is appreciated. I took this from the ENTJForum. This may help, and it may not...

How old are you? | 20.

Do you talk a lot? | Yes, I do. I won’t deny it. I wonder how my introverted friends deal with my long text messages! They receive a plethora of those all at once from me.

Do you have many friends and acquaintances that you speak to regularly? | Yes! I am around on messengers like Skype. I'm always on. Part of many chat groups. I have a few people I love to text as well.

Do you enjoy parties, being in big groups of people, concerts, festivals, and the like, or are you happier meeting with small groups of friends? | I like a little balance.

Did/do you enjoy school to the point of having a strong interest in higher education? | … Eh. It was something I did once. I’m in college now.

Do you often read nonfiction for pleasure? | Nah. …Not just nonfiction, at least.

Are you more likely to be tactful or “say it like it is”? | I prefer to “say it like it is”. Fuck being tactful. Tell the truth. I hate it when people beat around the bush, so I'm not going to, either.

Do you enjoy receiving compliments? | It all depends on what kind of compliment it is. Most of the time, I am indifferent.

When you visit a restaurant for the first time, do you quickly know what you want to order or do you enjoy taking your time to ogle over the menu options? | I often have a vague idea of what I want to order.

A friend texts you and said “Hey, let’s go to <insert any fun destination>. I’ll be over to pick you up in 30 mins. Would you be content to drop what you were doing and just roll with it, or would you find it disconcerting because plans for the day would be disrupted? | I'd say something like, "Let's do it!! I'll be ready."

Do you have a number of food taste preferences/dislikes, or do you eat most anything you are served? | I have an aversion toward some foods. I don’t consider myself incredibly picky, though.

Do you like to debate or would you rather avoid a discussion that could possibly lead to an argument? | I'd rather just let the debate happen and then move on.

If you were to find yourself in a situation where strict rules and regulations had to be followed, how much would you mind, if at all: A.) okay with it, B.) mildly inconvenienced, or C.) unhappy? | B.) Mildly inconvenienced. I know when to suck it up and deal with something.

 

[redbaron]

You're the type to drink all the milk and if you came to a fork in the road you'd take it.

 

[onesteptwostep]

How about taking an actual MBTI test? The one on 16personalities is pretty decent.

The questionnaire you answered seems to focus on extroversion rather than introversion thought processes. I mean the questionnaire's from an ENTJ forum, so..

 

[raysofsunshine]

Oh, sorry! My mistake. I realize I forgot to mention that I have taken MBTI tests, and that the questionnaire I found was to help narrow down my results. I got tested INFP, ESTP, ENFP, and ENTJ.

They're a bit random...

 

[onesteptwostep]

Which one do you think most describes you out of the four?

edit: You can use this as a guide if you want: http://www.16personalities.com/personality-types

 

[TheManBeyond]

esxp

 

[Yellow]

Order these topics from most to least likely to spark a conversation with you. It's okay if there are ties, and feel free to comment on your thoughts or feelings regarding these topics.

- Cats are better than dogs.
- What do you think about the new musical artist Meghan Trainor?
- How about the Philae Lander? Pretty cool, huh?
- When is Leonardo DiCaprio going to get that Oscar?
- I'm thinking of buying a Tesla.
- The death penalty is barbaric and should be abolished.
- I hear Imgur just banned NSFW from the front page to be more corporate-friendly.
- Which country, would you say, is really the biggest world power?

 

[raysofsunshine]

Here's my order:

- Which country, would you say, is really the biggest world power?
- The death penalty is barbaric and should be abolished.
- What do you think about the new musical artist Meghan Trainor?
- When is Leonardo DiCaprio going to get that Oscar?
- I hear Imgur just banned NSFW from the front page to be more corporate-friendly.
- Cats are better than dogs.
- How about the Philae Lander? Pretty cool, huh?
- I'm thinking of buying a Tesla.

And onesteptwostep, thanks for the 16personalities info. It doesn't help to narrow it down from those four types. I can see how ENFP would fit me...

 

[onesteptwostep]

Have you taken the tests that provide percentages? The percentages are usually helpful. We can't really work with what you've laid out so far because there's isn't much data provided. Furthermore typologies are not as pronounced when you are in your early twenties so it may be difficult to categorize you into a type. The best way to know is to engage more in the material, really, and decide on your own.

But from the looks of it it seems like you're an extrovert and perhaps a J. So.. so far ExxJ. Personally I think you're an ESTJ. ENFPs are usually more into artsy things and are good at intrapersonal relations from my experience. More bouncy and feelery. But then again, it's usually hard for INTPs to type extroverts (we also have a slight dislike for SJ types..), so yeah..

Hopefully some of that helps.

 

[raysofsunshine]

I appreciate your patience for providing me with any input. I'm going back to basics with the tool, and I'm realizing how much of a noob I actually am with this stuff.

My percentages for Extroversion, Intuition, and Thinking are often very high. Always above 50%. It feels a little farfetched. My Judging preference on the other hand is more moderate. About 30%. I've also taken a cognitive function test and often get high scores on all the functions an ENTJ would use, which is Te/Ni/Se/Fi.

I do score ENTJ a lot. I can see where you get ESTJ. A friend who was more experienced with MBTI never pegged me as Sensor, though. I don't recall them explaining why... is there any way I can determine that besides test results? <.<

I again apologize for not being able to provide more information. I don't have much of that to give. It was probably a mistake to start this thread and or maybe it never was.

It IS a good start, though. :P

 

[Brontosaurie]

A friend who was more experienced with MBTI never pegged me as Sensor, though. I don't recall them explaining why...

it's an insult. your friends are never sensors. it's other people who are.

at least at the cultish level where most MBTI adherents operate. to call someone a sensor to their face and get away with it requires plenty of backup. the first thing anyone picks up from MBTI, apart from the familiar introversion/extraversion concept, is that an N letter is preferable to S since it means you're profound, independent and creative. it's simply more of the traits we humans like to emphasize in ourselves to distinguish ourselves from cattle, machines or dead matter.

it's an interesting challenge to type people as sensors without making them feel denigrated.

 

[raysofsunshine]

Eugh.

That's... a bit idiotic. Insensible. I don't believe in the idea that iNtuitives are more "creative" and "profound" than Sensors. But eh, I'l let people believe what they want.

I'm not going to get upset by that insult, lol. I'm actually more amused.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Eugh.

That's... a bit idiotic. Insensible. I don't believe in the idea that iNtuitives are more "creative" and "profound" than Sensors. But eh, I'l let people believe what they want.

I'm not going to get upset by that insult, lol. I'm actually more amused.

no, it's not idiotic and insensible. it's not at all a behavior for which to blame some individual. it belongs to the theory/system, and you can't avoid it. of course you're free to pretend it doesn't exist, much like you're free to think something like "night is as bright as day, just in another way". but it will never make sense.

think what an ENTJ is, and then an ESTJ, and then i dare you to honestly tell me the ENTJ isn't a more desirable persona. here are some generic descriptions to illustrate my point:

ENTJ: likes to apply facts and principles of reason in orderly pursuit of efficiency. facts and principles are derived from autonomous critical parsing of all experiences and sources, and expressed through mystical hunches.

ESTJ: likes to apply facts and principles of reason in orderly pursuit of efficiency. facts and principles are derived chiefly from the manual and/or boss, and expressed through fear of being exposed as not having read the manual and/or fear of upsetting the boss.

then one could make the same comparisons with other S/N parallells. how about INFJ/ISFJ or ENFP/ESFP? you see where i'm going? the ENFP has subtle cheeky charisma and is thrown in constant heroic inner turmoil - the ESFP points at things and says them and laughs loudly and fails to grasp concepts. the INFJ effortlessly comprehends the mystery of the universe as reflected in the variance of subjective experience - the ISFJ remembers what happened exactly 732 days ago and when your birthday is, and gets very emotional about things. the list goes on. this is what typology is about. this is what's stifling and even directly harmful about it. these are very powerful terms to brand people with.

but it's not strange that a property which is relevant to personality and embedded in the terminology of a theory like this, is also a basis for norms and judgments. to majority culture and collective self-perception, Si means boring and Se means stupid - no matter how much this culture itself runs on boring and stupid, and no matter how much it'll dismiss real intuitives as lunatics, freaks or clowns. N is what everyone likes to fashion themselves as. N means human dignity, honour, valor, progress, spirituality, enlightenment, reason etc. mundane everyday sensor shit is of course crucial to survival, but it's not what we want to emphasize in our narrative/mythology/history/hymn. it embodies our animal past - while N embodies the prospect of divinity. of course people are more flattered to be seen as N, even though S is a necessary condition for N.

i suggest you go spot some xSTJ's and pay careful attention to their Ne. it's a great example of this faintly paradoxical vanity phenomenon i'm trying to capture.

best way to use the tools offered by typology, is to imagine yourself as every type in order to understand more aspects of yourself than the ones you ordinarily cling to. it can broaden your horizons. trying too hard to put other people in definitive boxes may corrupt your way of relating to the world.

more food for thought: observe or interact with rich educated people, then poor non-educated people. you will see that rich people tend to talk more about N class stuff. abstractions, theories, ideologies, potential developments. poor people tend to talk more about concrete objects. in a naïve, superficial rendering of typology, this would be enough to decide that rich people are more intuitive. and you maintain that the properties manifested in the language of typology aren't entangled in macro values?

 

[onesteptwostep]

I again apologize for not being able to provide more information. I don't have much of that to give. It was probably a mistake to start this thread and or maybe it never was.

It IS a good start, though. :P

No it's fine, everyone starts out like this when they start typology.

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My percentages for Extroversion, Intuition, and Thinking are often very high. Always above 50%. It feels a little farfetched. My Judging preference on the other hand is more moderate. About 30%. I've also taken a cognitive function test and often get high scores on all the functions an ENTJ would use, which is Te/Ni/Se/Fi.

I do score ENTJ a lot.

Okay we could work on with what you have now, if you feel the ENTJ type might be the one for you. You sort of have to know a bit more about the cognitive functions to really understand if the function orderings work out for you however.

If you do know a little bit about them, you have to ask yourself if the functions orderings describe who you are.

So, basically, since ENTJ has the ordering of Te/Ni/Se/Fi, the question becomes: are you in 'extroverted thinking' mode, most of the time? (i.e. is Te your dominant trait?) Do you switch off into being introvertedly intuitive? (do you engage in Ni?) And so on. [Se, Fi..]

You sort of have to see and check the function orderings of the other types to know as well, if you're unsure.

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The descriptions of the functions are on wiki, but they're in somewhat of an abstract, axiomatic format. Basically they'll just confuse you. Uh.. so maybe try looking for some videos of other ENTJ's and see if they match, I guess? I guess this is where my limit is ^^

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Oh actually another way to know is if you feel an affinity to one of the 4 temperaments.

'Do you think or feel that you're a Rational, an Idealist, an Artisan or a Guardian?' [NT, NF, SP, and SJ respectively]

Rational = NT
Idealist = NF
Artisan = SP
Guardian = SJ

From there you can cross-check and eliminate certain types, to deductively find out.

Not sure if this'll help though, the logic behind it is somewhat fuzzy when you engage with it in the beginning.

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Well adding onto what bronto said, S-doms (sensor dominant) don't usually come on the internet, let alone on a (intp) forum to find out what their type is. I assume they don't have the patience or are just too occupied with life in the first place to engage in typology. People with Se as their aux might be a different matter though, not too sure on that.

Being an S type doesn't mean you're a douche or anything though, that's just one of the more cultic aspects of typology, like already implied.