36 people ("intellectual levels")

[fluffy]

I am not certain as to the exact placement of each person but I kind of get a feeling for where they are.

The mind can be used for many things so when it comes to what a person can do often it shows up in their work.

Marvin Minsky made a robot in the 1960's-70's that could reason about its environment. You could ask it to put the blue block on top the red one in the right hand corner. He worked at MIT

I am curious what people think of my chart.

I know many other people not on it but this was made from my research over a couple years I had at hand to think about most recently.

I don't think IQ test fully show what people can do. I only use the metric of it because I want to show my thoughts processes and if others could help improve them.

 

[Puffy]

Well you know nothing like a good woke’ing to trigger up conversation on this forum and rile the right into action. But I’m noting one woman on your list and a lot of white sausage fest. Doesn’t need to be 50/50 but I doubt this is representative.

 

[fluffy]

Generally women in the past did not make themselves public figures as often.

I guess

Myers Briggs
Grace Hopper
Madame kuri
Alisan Bailey
Helena Bladvasky

Those are the old time ones

But I don't know how you can arrange them by intelligence level or if that's appropriate.

You cannot be representative if you don't know what they did and I don't know how you do that unless they are in the public eye.

@Puffy

Otherwise is the list accurate?

Chris Langan, Terrence Tao, and Marilyn Vos savant were said to be above IQ 200 but I don't see they did anything to merit that.

They are famous but I don't think that proves anything - I just think looking at there work or public showings they upper mid-range.

Even Einstein said Tesla was smarter than himself when asked who was smartest.

 

[birdsnestfern]

I just like the pictures and the list and noting that many smart folks keep their chins close to chest, or level to the ground. Like they are their own humble authority. And the ones that stick their chins out don't understand the concept that wearing your chin out too far, well, isn't it like asking people to not like you or put them back in their place? idk, the psychology of a chin jutting out too far though says a lot.
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In One Sentence: Jutting the chin out and away from the body tells others that one is ready to confront rather than conform.

How To Use it: Use the signal to show your dominance and to intimidate others. In competition you can use the chin to taunt your opponent and tempt them into submission by demonstrating your pride and smugness. The cue can also be done during normal conversation to issue a challenge of another person’s authority. As the cue is subtle, it is often registered under conscious awareness, but the message will be received as an insult against another person and their position.

Heres a lecture with Wolfram mentioned:

 

[ZenRaiden]

Micho Kaku built particle accelerator when he was 8 or something, I doubt he was 140 IQ, but generally I think a lot of these people did things also outside of academia or within academia where they did not get credit for it.
I think a lot of good people do things without credit.
I would say the smartest people are virtually unknown in this world.
I also doubt achievement and IQ necessarily correlate.
There are people with IQ 180 who watch spong bob and drink dr pepper and lick their fingers after eating chicken.
IQ is just not the same as industriousness.

What really fascinates me is your obsession with IQ lol. Nothing wrong with that, but you seem to talk about it just about every-time I come here.

 

[fluffy]

Micho Kaku built particle accelerator when he was 8 or something, I doubt he was 140 IQ, but generally I think a lot of these people did things also outside of academia or within academia where they did not get credit for it.
I think a lot of good people do things without credit.
I would say the smartest people are virtually unknown in this world.
I also doubt achievement and IQ necessarily correlate.

It is kinda fuzzy to think about.

Past 147 you don't bump into many people of high ability.

Labs take people in and yet the public figures are there to mostly promote people to join as it looks cool.

Physics as a subject is not hard if you get the right books and have motivation.

There are people with IQ 180 who watch spong bob and drink dr pepper and lick their fingers after eating chicken.
IQ is just not the same as industriousness.

I do those things too.

I guess I have this thing for being organized.

I wasn't sure if I expected it to be taken that way. These are people I know about.

What really fascinates me is your obsession with IQ lol. Nothing wrong with that, but you seem to talk about it just about every-time I come here.

I found out I have above average executive function. But not too the extension of being able to do whatever I want. I looked into it, to understand what it is.

In cartoons Batman needs allot of it.

But also the people making the cartoon.

Thinking about everything that needs to be in place, learning fast, anticipating. INTJ stuff

Even though I was making stuff I could not learn fast. Memorize or hold long numbers in head. It's better if I had money to get things I need for projects but I think too much leading to distraction from real life problems.

Often I review things over and over again yet have no money to buy printer ink. Or do not go to library because I spent to much time dealing with people elsewhere that I get tired.

Managing my time correctly I can do one big thing a day. That's it.

Resources, those are hard to come by as I might not exactly know where to get them and others need attention.

Slowly I thought I need to do something else.

And is why I am leaving the house more often.

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I am thinking about thinking allot.

So I look at the people that think also.

Because I want to do what they do.

 

[birdsnestfern]

Talks about all kinds of hidden parts of our psyches, that we aren't aware of most of the time.
But the mind is amazing, and if we knew more about how to access some parts of it, we'd probably be more aware of the genius aspects we all have:

 

[Puffy]

Generally women in the past did not make themselves public figures as often.

I guess

Myers Briggs
Grace Hopper
Madame kuri
Alisan Bailey
Helena Bladvasky

Those are the old time ones

But I don't know how you can arrange them by intelligence level or if that's appropriate.

You cannot be representative if you don't know what they did and I don't know how you do that unless they are in the public eye.

@Puffy

Otherwise is the list accurate?

Chris Langan, Terrence Tao, and Marilyn Vos savant were said to be above IQ 200 but I don't see they did anything to merit that.

They are famous but I don't think that proves anything - I just think looking at there work or public showings they upper mid-range.

Even Einstein said Tesla was smarter than himself when asked who was smartest.

By that metric of accomplishment William James Sidis did very little and could be considered a burnout but he’s at #4.

I think this is subjective, you can define what intelligence is and then try and measure people against a standard and rank them on how they perform. But it’s a reflection of the standard you choose and what’s to say that’s correct? Are there other factors missing? Does accomplishment miss out that not everyone has the same means or opportunities or even desire for accomplishment like in Sidis’s case?

You’re a smart guy and don’t need to worry about intelligence. There are more important things in life anyway I think it’s importance gets over exaggerated here.

 

[fluffy]

By that metric of accomplishment William James Sidis did very little and could be considered a burnout but he’s at #4.

He wrote papers on the 4th dimension when 10 at Harvard and he wrote a book about how to reverse physics (tha animate and the inanimate)

Some claim he was IQ 300 but I don't see that as a real scale.

I think this is subjective, you can define what intelligence is and then try and measure people against a standard and rank them on how they perform. But it’s a reflection of the standard you choose and what’s to say that’s correct? Are there other factors missing? Does accomplishment miss out that not everyone has the same means or opportunities or even desire for accomplishment like in Sidis’s case?

A scale is not as subjective as people think it is. Yes people can choose not to do anything but that is not the same as saying they can't. So what I have here in the chart is based on what I think these people are capable of and that's not based on accomplishments because accomplishment is a social status thing. Rather I looked at what they did and thought about how hard it would be to do that. I don't know those people that chose not to do anything or what factors were involved where some did not have opportunity.

You’re a smart guy and don’t need to worry about intelligence. There are more important things in life anyway I think it’s importance gets over exaggerated here.

I never saw anyone say intelligence was important here that I recall. Mostly it's been about how it's not important.

I can see how if you were born in the wrong time and place it be less important. Circumstances and social network that doesn't match ones personality. But in rare cases it does.

I think the optimum is 140 because you can practically dominate you social circle and solve problems without having to feel let down about bigger life pictures. It's the sweet spot between their abilities and the hardness of the problems they face. Otherwise it might be life is too hard or you choose problems too hard. Life satisfaction becomes a daunting challenge.

I don't want to be Batman in particular but I think those people that write the stories have insights into what he does. They are people I guess who are 145 that I call proto-ubermen because they are at the top in society but not intellectually. So they realize what others are like above them and can communicate this to the general populous through the stories.

Tangent:

The quantum mechanics book I have is interesting. It's uses statistics to find where particles are. But it's a solved problem and computers do it better than by hand. I am not sure you can do much with it but it's an interesting exercise. It's just they were not explicit in their explanations so it took me time to understand what was going on. I know that some people would understand right away at an early age (Spider-Man) I just wonder what the practicality of it is since I am not a physicists. The probability maths I can probably use those concepts.

 

[Puffy]

By that metric of accomplishment William James Sidis did very little and could be considered a burnout but he’s at #4.

He wrote papers on the 4th dimension when 10 at Harvard and he wrote a book about how to reverse physics (tha animate and the inanimate)

Some claim he was IQ 300 but I don't see that as a real scale.

I think this is subjective, you can define what intelligence is and then try and measure people against a standard and rank them on how they perform. But it’s a reflection of the standard you choose and what’s to say that’s correct? Are there other factors missing? Does accomplishment miss out that not everyone has the same means or opportunities or even desire for accomplishment like in Sidis’s case?

A scale is not as subjective as people think it is. Yes people can choose not to do anything but that is not the same as saying they can't. So what I have here in the chart is based on what I think these people are capable of and that's not based on accomplishments because accomplishment is a social status thing. Rather I looked at what they did and thought about how hard it would be to do that. I don't know those people that chose not to do anything or what factors were involved where some did not have opportunity.

You’re a smart guy and don’t need to worry about intelligence. There are more important things in life anyway I think it’s importance gets over exaggerated here.

I never saw anyone say intelligence was important here that I recall. Mostly it's been about how it's not important.

I can see how if you were born in the wrong time and place it be less important. Circumstances and social network that doesn't match ones personality. But in rare cases it does.

I think the optimum is 140 because you can practically dominate you social circle and solve problems without having to feel let down about bigger life pictures. It's the sweet spot between their abilities and the hardness of the problems they face. Otherwise it might be life is to hard or you choose problems too hard. Life satisfaction becomes a daunting challenge.

I don't want to be Batman in particular but I think those people that write the stories have insights into what he does. They are people I guess who are 145 that I call proto-ubermen because they are at the top in society but not intellectually. So they realize what others are like above them and can communicate this to the general populous through the stories.

Tangent:

The quantum mechanics book I have is interesting. It's uses statistics to find where particles are. But it's a solved problem and computers do it better than by hand. I am not sure you can do much with it but it's an interesting exercise. It's just they were not explicit in their explanations so it took me time to understand what was going on. I know that some people would understand right away at an early age (Spider-Man) I just wonder what the practicality of it is since I am not a physicists. The probability maths I can probably use those concepts.

I think this kind of intelligence you speak of is a hardware issue. Some people are running on more advanced hardware than others. You can optimise your intelligence somewhat, but I don't believe you'll ever be able to change your intelligence to be like Sidis or Tesla as their hardware is simply more advanced than ours. It's like trying to get some old Windows 95 machine to try and outperform a modern mac, it can't happen. We don't have the same capabilities that they have and so we can't compare ourselves to them.

My uncle was born with a mental disability that means as an adult he has the mental age of a child, even as a 60 year old man now he can't write or read. Despite this whenever I see him he immediately cheers me up as he's a very funny, jolly, even if blissfully unaware person. Its his gift as a person. In contrast, I've been friends with people like Lyra who had an IQ of 160 (which I'd believe) kill themselves out of despair. If someone told me that they'd rather be my uncle than Lyra I wouldn't blame them.

I'm honestly not sure that intelligence is a sole determining factor in how happy someone is. Intelligence is a gift of the hardware you've been born with. Accept and make use of the hardware that you have but don't worry about how your hardware compares to others.

 

[fluffy]

I'm honestly not sure that intelligence is a sole determining factor in how happy someone is. Intelligence is a gift of the hardware you've been born with. Accept and make use of the hardware that you have but don't worry about how your hardware compares to others.

I know, it is just that as a kid I had ideas I could not do and in school they expected me to do all this work. I got burned out in highschool and dropped out of college.

There wasn't much else for me.

Except I still wanted things in life.

I simply wanted to understand the hardware part because it is a technical problem I can understand. Not many things I understand better.

Being happy is good, for the most part I am happy doing research. Only I have no peer group I can relate to is all. As said I am not in school and I have to help other people. Finding things that I can do that gives me good feels takes effort as I don't do drugs or drink or party. Looking into advanced topics is methodically slow until I advance to certain stages of development as no intermediate literature exists I have access to.

I hope I am not devaluing others by what I am saying. No, intelligence is not everything. I want to understand it yet I have not many people that know about it. It's interesting to me as it helps me know my capacities and the extent to where my limitations are at. It is the balance between intellectual stimulation and daily problems I have been trying to adjust to for the longest time.

 

[Puffy]

I'm honestly not sure that intelligence is a sole determining factor in how happy someone is. Intelligence is a gift of the hardware you've been born with. Accept and make use of the hardware that you have but don't worry about how your hardware compares to others.

I know, it is just that as a kid I had ideas I could not do and in school they expected me to do all this work. I got burned out in highschool and dropped out of college.

There wasn't much else for me.

Except I still wanted things in life.

I simply wanted to understand the hardware part because it is a technical problem I can understand. Not many things I understand better.

Being happy is good, for the most part I am happy doing research. Only I have no peer group I can relate to is all. As said I am not in school and I have to help other people. Finding things that I can do that gives me good feels takes effort as I don't do drugs or drink or party. Looking into advanced topics is methodically slow until I advance to certain stages of development as no intermediate literature exists I have access to.

I hope I am not devaluing others by what I am saying. No, intelligence is not everything. I want to understand it yet I have not many people that know about it. It's interesting to me as it helps me know my capacities and the extent to where my limitations are at. It is the balance between intellectual stimulation and daily problems I have been trying to adjust to for the longest time.

I guess to me AK I see you as an intelligent person. You express original ideas all the time and clearly think more deeply than most people I know. I wouldn't be surprised if you have your own neurodiverse differences in terms of how your mind works. But I question to what extent you rank your intelligence based on how you relate to peers and how you've compared yourself to them. I don't think you're unintelligent at all and that in the right environment you could do a software engineering role or research or whatever you believe an intelligent person would do. I'm not sure that being smarter than what you are now would be a panacea, if anything I wonder if thinking less would help.

 

[fluffy]

@birdsnestfern

Yes, if we become in tune with ourselves we can holistically do better in life.

I sleep a lot because I have constant pressures on me that are unnecessarily draining my energy's.

Good energy is part of being a genius.

 

[fluffy]

I guess to me AK I see you as an intelligent person. You express original ideas all the time and clearly think more deeply than most people I know.

Thank you

I wouldn't be surprised if you have your own neurodiverse differences in terms of how your mind works. But I question to what extent you rank your intelligence based on how you relate to peers and how you've compared yourself to them growing up.

I got bullied in 7th grade so I decided not to interact with people. The people I talked to mostly I saw them reading and asked them questions but never fully felt accepted.

I don't know the requirements for my local schools but I was in advanced classes every since I went to science magnet middle school.

At last occasion the doctor said sever bipolar disorder with psychotic symptoms.

I don't think you're unintelligent at all and that in the right environment you could do a software engineering role or research or whatever you believe an intelligent person would do. I'm not sure that being smarter than what you are now would be a panacea, if anything I wonder if thinking less would help.

I need to be around certain people less often than I am now as that is the biggest life stressor. My hurt feelings makes it difficult to think about anything other than rejection which is why I am not participating in places I used to visit. It's better to be around supportive people.

My self esteem was damaged to some extent because I thought of myself as not smart enough for being put down, whereas nowadays I grew past having to mold myself to the expectations others have placed on me. Being independent and having emotional growth. I still need things to do and as I said to @birdsnestfern having energy to do it is a great benefit she made me realize.