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^ Differently developed then? I still think we can't understand how our minds work using our minds, and this (functions) model isn't bad.

I can't stop thinking as well. I never tried meditation, although I'm trying to "clear" my mind of all thoughts with no particular technique. Never works completely. Especially when falling asleep I'm thinking way too much - it's like Ne finally shuts up because of lack of external input, and Si...

^ It's obviously just a model. Is it even possible to accurately understand and/or describe the mind, when mind is the tool we're using to achieve it? This is debatable, but I'd say just looking at the variety of psychological theories shows there's no theory - or at least none have been found -...

If this is the case then I guess everything is possible. I still don't think you're a Ti/Fi case, though. From what more you've written it seems your Fe might not be really so well developed after all, more like malfunctioning Ti/Fe combo. Rejecting one's emotions might lead to difficulties for...

INTPs tend to score higher than expected on Fi. I do as well. I know only one person whose Ti and Fi is equally strong (not just the test result) and it's difficult. I think the fact that you've been able that post the way you did shows your Ti is still in charge. I'm not sure I get what this...

True Neutral. I'm not sure how I feel about it, I always preferred CN or NG.

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^ If that guy formed his opinion of INTPs based on INTPc... well I think I'd have preferred INTJf as well. Also whatever the faults of INTJf, it has at least one advantage over us - displaying MBTI type of the user next to their posts. In almost every discussion where it matters posters state...

^ Programming teachers are as often biased as any other people who specialize in a narrow field and hold strong opinions. Example: recently in a course about Android programming we've enjoyed half-an-hour rant about why iPhone is evil. I don't own an iPhone and didn't really care one way or the...

I'm sure we could come up with some obligatory IQ tests just to make your life a little bit sourer. :evil: Of course you don't have to think you're brilliant if you're an INTP. We are outstandingly intelligent, exceptionally brilliant and just plain clever as a rule, but above all modest and...

Ombat, no problem. I don't even know this much about Enneagram myself (just what I read on the web)... I met another INTP who's 4w5 though, so that's a perfectly possible combination, yes.

If you're unsure about your type (despite the tests - which is possible BTW, you might have habits which are associated with different preferences), read a bit about functions and how they work. Ni/Te sounds much different from Ne/Ti. If you're sure about your type... well, we could always use...

My tendency as well. Doesn't everyone do it in bookstores though? It's usually kind of hard to find a part of floor which isn't either taken or blocking the passage.

I think part of the problem in this discussion is that the statement "we know everything but a few minor details" is a kind of pseudo-science in itself, so saying this and claiming to hate pseudo-science has self-abusing implications... So true. When I realized it it became clear why I was...

It's 5w6 which is supposedly more down to earth (technical, focused on details etc.) whereas 5w4 is more abstract (imaginative) and more likely to disregard authority... are you sure they're typed correctly? By the way for all Fives here... I guess some of you have seen it, but I found it just...

I agree completely, I do it all the time as well... I'm quite new here, but I'd like to say hello too, Misty :). Besides it would be more stereotypically INTJ-like to be convinced you're right without logical evidence to back it up :D. INTPs use Si/Fe to express their views, which is pretty...

I'm an INTP and 5w4, I know of another INTP who's 4w5. I think typing from MBTI to Enneagram and vice versa is impossible simply because MBTI attempts to grasp preferences of the person, and isn't only concentrated on traits, but also functions. Enneagram, on the other hand, is based on...

Poor posture, yes. People asking me what's wrong when I'm just sitting alone thinking, yes. Being alone and quiet in the middle of the party sometimes, yes. I also walk into whatever is in my path. That said, I can act pretty extroverted when extroverts are going all extroverted on me, so I...

This is true with traits, but their combinations (and therefore MBTI types and functions) are a different matter - for example there's about four times as much INTP men as INTP women (the number might be a bit off, but there are more of them). Also "nature" doesn't necessarily refer to genetics...

http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/population-gender/ These values are obviously approximate - you'd need a really large sample, and then the MBTI test is wrong in ~25% cases (that is, the person doesn't agree with the results strongly), so there's no really accurate data.

After giving the matter some thought, I wonder if it is, like some people suggested in the other thread, a preference for some traits (N/S, T/F) that is just nature part (genetics plus any biochemical influences), but their application (like Ne/Ni) is influenced by nurture. I think I/E is...

Grahf 40% Evil, 94% Intelligence, 80% Common Sense I'm not evil enough? :evil:

At risk of getting flamed, I'll say nature is more important than nurture in determining personality (at least what MBTI recognizes as personality, enneagram and other models are a different story).

Either I'm missing something or it's trivial to prove as well...

Yet another Oracle. The Oracle 0% Extroversion, 100% Intuition, 28% Emotiveness, 100% Perceptiveness It's weird, I was answering honestly, but I had the feeling I'd get a different result - like I was choosing "wrong answers" for INTP. And yet Oracle it's. Hm.

The first test: Ti > Ne >> Si = Ni > Fe >= Fi >= Se > Te I used >= as "slightly higher than", I suppose the likelihood of an error being too big to define the exact relation of the functions somehow justifies it. Or maybe not. The other test: Ne (47.1) Ti (41.8) Ni (38.7) Fi (36.8) Te (26.6)...

That's one of the things I actually dislike about US, Canada and to a certain degree UK. In most of Europe service is usually included in price, which I think is fair. It's the same thing as with including sales tax in display price - doing otherwise is tricking people into thinking they're...

I think it's all about Ti and Fi both being introverted judging functions. All of the types have one of those, but those with well-developed Ti/Fi may seem somewhat similar on the outside precisely because their main judging function is introverted, not because it works in a similar way. It...

I voted chick & multitask when I first saw this thread, but reading the replies posted since I wonder if it was the right answer. What I meant was more like "can't stop thinking about many completely different things (often in the background) most of the time" - unless I concentrate on one...

Your Top Strength Love of learning You love learning new things, whether in a class or on your own. You have always loved school, reading, and museums-anywhere and everywhere there is an opportunity to learn. Your Second Strength Creativity, ingenuity, and originality Thinking of new ways to...

The Conqueror You scored 58% Egocentricism, 27% Heirarchy, 46% Spiritualityand 35% Morality!

That's why I said they would, not did. QWERTY really isn't so bad for typing in English, you know. Try using 'z' in every other word.

Someone who writes in C, or any similar programming language, probably would ;).

Yet another Mastermind-Seeker... Your BrainHex Class is Mastermind. Your BrainHex Sub-Class is Mastermind-Seeker. You like solving puzzles and devising strategies as well as finding strange and wonderful things or finding familiar things. Each BrainHex Class also has an Exception, which...

I think this is more likely than mirror/identical image idea, although that one is worth exploring as well. I recall having read about studies that showed the more symmetrical the face was, the more likely it was to be considered beautiful. Since mirroring the image doesn't affect symmetry, its...

... do you think you look better in a mirror image of your photos? If yes, you're probably right about differing perception of mirror image of ourselves vs identical one. If no... well.

@Claverhouse - and don't forget many things have been invented by the people who were too lazy to just do the job regular way. Just thought I'd add it since I agree with most of what you've posted in this thread so far.

I guess it's as close to "healthy" as possible with this quiz. I somehow thought I'd get multiple personalities. I mean, two of them even have names.

Regardless of its practical applications, mathematics is a purely theoretical system. You can create mathematical models to describe many things belonging to a physical world, but in itself it's completely abstract. It isn't contaminated with any mundane considerations. It's perfection itself...

I see what you mean. I thought it was more along the lines of learning, for example physics, in theory vs actually seeing experiments or something. I think the ideas you've mentioned are actually not possible to prove in theory, but then I've never really believed in anything. "Blessed are...

Isn't this a Ti-specific things? I've been like that sometimes at school, too. But the rest of the time I was actually listening to the theory behind it (when I've got a good teacher, that is). Either a pet or a nightmare - I've had some teachers arguing my case with others. Otherwise I've...

Last time I've had this sort of experience was at school when I was 13-15... MS Office, searching the web efficiently, very basic HTML and a bit of JS. Now I'm studying computer science and it isn't too easy. In fact, some of it is pretty hard. I went from Windows to Linux to OS X. Linux feels...

Quit apologizing, I'm not offended. And I don't think honesty counts as rudeness. I agree what I've written sounds arrogant, but I didn't mean it as such. I've actually written quite a lengthy response to it, but just lost most of it (accidentally closed FF tab, unfortunately it doesn't restore...

I haven't read all the responses yet, but as to the article itself, I must say it's definitely not the first - and probably not the last - time I've heard all of it. I shouldn't presume to know much about US, having been there but once. But this is exactly how it looks from the other side of...

I wish I was ENTP. Or if not, at least INTJ. But I'm INTP. It isn't just a test result, it's the most accurate description of myself, my own mind, that I've ever seen. Does knowing I'm INTP makes me act more like one is expected to? Probably yes. It's an external confirmation of what I thought...

Youngest of the three, might as well have been an only child because of age difference (nearly fifteen years). I realize 58 votes is too little to draw conclusions from, but I don't think we're going to see any correlation at all. I'm pretty sure these traits are what we're born with...

Generous Idealist. Name is inaccurate. Surprisingly, most of the descriptions somehow fit, although those which don't are downright ridiculous. I mean, seriously, my awareness of others? Not really. Comfortable with my decisions? I'm second-guessing myself constantly. Routines? I hate routines...

And fractals. Don't forget fractals. Surely it isn't just me? Do you mean retracing steps as in remembering having traced them, or interpolating between premises and conclusion? You said they "had to be logical", but is it not possible that it's just Ne playing with ideas, which are later...

I mean both - when talking about a math problem only the second (different way) is possible, while with programming problems (algorithms, but even more so designing complex systems) it would be the first, although some solutions might be better than others. I've looked for definitions of Ti...

A few years ago, after I had first read about LD, I learned it and achieved a reasonable level of control. I'm unable to keep doing it for a long time though, because among other things LD (unless it comes naturally, perhaps?) requires sleeping regularly, and I'm usually sleeping too little and...