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Because INTJs have "contact" extraverted sensing function. Contact functions go out and do things in the greater world out there. While INTPs have "inert" and introverted sensing. So the INTP sits in one place, percepts and thinks, while INTJ goes out and does stuff. Philosophy and theoretical...

Found this discussion thread about it with some examples: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/showthread.php/32396-Holographic-Thinking

In Socionics INTP - ENTJ pairing is called contrary relations. They are kind of attractive and intriguing from a distance, but close up not very satisfying and kind of awkward (including sex). I guess it's alright though for a short-term relationship. Relationship guide by type for INTPs --...

The weak point of INTJ psyche is their feeling functions, Fi/Fe. Poking them in this spot is usually irritating. This can be done by giving them personal, relationship, and social feedback - pointing out when the INTJ is being rude and boorish, when he's managed to repulse people away from him...

Have you looked into Soconics intertype relationships? They've devised a kind of predictive scheme on how relationships will evolve between types depending on their functional interactions + feedback from volunteers about their relationships. Very interesting stuff. Anyhow, Socionics explains...

when you read many shorter paragraphs describing functions, they overlay together and you get an intuitive sense of it. this is enough to start formulating your own take on them.

Such INFJs are either of the Ni subtype of INFJ or enneagram type 6w5, 9w1, or 1w9. Description of Ni-INFJ: http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=IEI_subtypes#Intuitive_subtype_INFp-Ni. Because these INFJs prioritize intuition and logic instead of feeling, they are usually drawn to abstract...

The best way I have seen it explained is probability waves (N) vs. concrete matter (S). If you have taken some introductory courses in physics, it's easy to see the analogy. Some demonstrative pictures in the second part of this article.

All people are Js and Ps at the same time. INTP's first function is a judging one, J, but auxiliary is a perceiving one, P. INTJ's first function is a perceiving one, P, but second function is a judging one J. You can see how both types have both J and P origins. If you're trying to figure...

These are the socionics sources for the Ti-Ne type. The Ti dominant Ne creative type is called LII or INTj in socionics (written with lower-case j to signify that it's referring to a socionic and not an MBTI type). Wikisocion LII/INTj profile Wikisocion - LII/INTj subtypes LII/INTj intertype...

I have found it to be very insightful into the cognitive nature of types. This articles allows to cast away many of the social role stereotypes and behavioral approaches to typing and instead focus on the cognitive aspect of functions. I've used it before to solve typing dilemmas, like when...

I learned about socionics mostly by doing searches on 16types.info website. Some of their past discussions are very informative. And looking up things at Socionics Resource page.

There's a ton of articles post on this site, click on the menu and categories on left hand side. You have to figure the system out for yourself, bro. There is no easy way out. The problem of converting your MBTI type to Socionics type is that chance that you've gotten wrong type MBTI. Which is...

he is very scattered, MBTI Perceiver no doubt short intro to Zizek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS_Lzo4S8lA

INTP but his instinct stacking is so/sp. Having social instinct as his first one, he will strive to be more connected socially and culturally, which is visible from his lectures, but this also makes him liable to get mistaken for an extraverted type. (In socionics he would be of LII type.) IMO...

They've done studies on mokeys raising them without socialization. They grew up into total wrecks. Their emotional system was completely disregulated. They went bonkers. This means that socialization is a vital need. It's not not vital as eating or drinking, but it's even more vital than sex...

It's not just NT types but all intuitive types. Socionics does this because it incorporates type intertype relations into the theory (something lacking in MBTI). Within this theory the intuitive types are paired with sensing types. Thus descriptions of all intuitive types go over how they suck...

She is stringing you along and using you to satisfy her own emotional needs. You are there only to make her feel better, to make her feel like she isn't lonely and has plenty of guys around. This is why you're feeling that she isn't putting any effort into the friendship. It's all about her in...

I've found several translated LII (Ti-Ne) profiles on 16types socionics forum: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/list.php/category/46-LII-INTj

I noticed Te types have trouble with taking what Ti types say all too seriously. If I throw out some hypothetical or idea for its own sake, I'm well aware that it's not realistic and other Ti types are implicitly aware of this, while xNTJs will go out of their way to point this out and block it...

Jay has created facebook groups for dual pairs. This is the group for LII-ESE: https://www.facebook.com/groups/637927229570789/ Most INTPs should be LIIs in socionics, but not everyone so don't forget to carefully read through the profiles for you may be ILI, SLI or some other type, in which...

bumping this thread for more feedback from INTPs - does this excerpt correlate to the way that you think?

thanks

One of the biggest differences I've found between these types is that INFPs are implicitly obsessed with finding stuff that is "universally relatable", some kind of common idea or notion, something that would resonate on personal level with everyone. They have a 6th sense for group sentiments...

Your local book store might have a few of the more "official" IQ tests around. I've found an IQ test from MENSA on shelves of Barnes&Nobles which at first glance looked much more challenging than what they offer you online (oh and bring a watch with you, it requires you to time yourself).

Lol, meanwhile MBTI profiles tell me that I should be psychic, as of course all INFJs are... I'll take the trousers any day over esoteric self-aggrandizing gibberish like this.

INFJ IEI (Ni and Fe in both MBTI and Socionics) @ballaxe you should have included some socionics tests and profiles to make it easier to pick and vote on the poll socionics tests: http://www.sociotype.com/tests/#The-Extended-Socionics-Test http://www.socionictest.net/Test.aspx LII profiles (1...

haha no, I type as INFJ 4 and the mien of the guy in my avatar happens to be very representative of this combination imo

I've developed an interest in jungian typology because it corresponded to what I have observed of people even before I read anything from MBTI and Jung. Periodically I run into other people, who start describing to me how they have observed different classes or groups of individuals, and often...

The letters should not be same because Socionics uses rational-irrational dichotomy to assign j/p letters while MBTI uses judger-perceiver. Since they are applying different dichotomies for assignment of one of the letters of 4-letter codes, this already means that you cannot translate types...

ESTp values Se Ti Fe Ni ESTJ values Te Si Ne Fi So you cannot say "ESTp=ESTJ". These are very different types.

cool glad I was able to help, are you the lii in this relationship?

ESTP is Se Ti Fe Ni ESTj is Te Si Ne Fi so no, this doesn't work as you suggest

Jung wrote about this referring to it as "3 become 4" i.e. that the inferior function become integrated into personality throughout the course of person's life. Basically inferior function is repressed and thus unconscious, but periodically it wakes up and takes in some information from...

Can you describe more about this please? How do you "anno the hell out of each other"? xD and how do you think you complement one another?

What did you mean by "front-back-side" approach for ESTPs? According to that article they should have same thinking style as INTPs. So how does it differ? ESTPs have Ni, so how can they have same thinking style as INTP and also only stick to one approach? I'm so confused now :(

I would type Sagan as Ni-Te or INTJ. Some Te-type for sure. I was watching interview with Dave Chappelle and thought that he is very likely an INTP. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84NjYRTHpfU

Jung didn't say that he is Ti-dominant type in MBTI. MBTI wasn't even around back in his time. This is his exact words from a recorded interview: "… but I most certainly was characterized by thinking - I always thought - from early childhood; and I had a great deal of intuition too and I had...

some visual examples of INTPs for this thread Andrew Bird http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7fuzgYrc4 Lawrence Krauss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTedvV6oZjo Brian Greene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf7BXwVeyWw

The more I read Jung, the more I think that he was likely an INxJ rather than INTP. His writing is actually very unstructured. He makes many "logical leaps" in his reasoning that he never explains and seems to be unable to explain. At some point he himself has admitted that his work is lacking...

Yin and yang is how socionics describes duality relationships generally speaking. There are short descriptions here, Analyst and Bonviviant, and some longer ones here that don't look like they've been translated yet, but one can get the general gist out othem. Most INTPs should turn out as LII...

Personality Cafe has very active INFJ and INFP subforums. They published some stats for that forum and the most common type on there were INFPs -- they made up something like 15-18% of total PerC population. They were followed by INFJs, INTJs, and INTPs, so INxx types in general are very acting...

I'm not an INTP and I do this. I noticed that everyone does this to certain extent -- as such everyone lives in a bubble saturated with their own personal delusions. Of course some individuals show greater propensity for this than others. When a person has vast life experience and friends to...

Nope. Ne and Ni are not functions of challenging the tradition or functions that invent new ideas. I mean for all of the intuition present on INTPf you guys should be swimming in inventions and discoveries on this forum, yet here you are regurgitating the same ol' MBTI stuff and not even adding...

I really like this description, thank you for this.

There are different ways of grouping the types together. You can group them by valued functions, you can group them by types of dominant function, or types of dominant and auxiliary, and so on. Each grouping has its distinct characteristics. MBTI uses grouping of dominant and auxiliary as their...

Ni feels passive, spaced out, indecisive, imagining too many options, feeling the flow of time Ti feels coldly detached, independent, rebellious "don't tell me what to think" attitude I remember reading something about simulating functions on personality nation, but since that website is down...

I don't know if this exists in MBTI, but socioncs distinguishes people of same type into subtypes. So for their Ti-Ne type, which would correlate to INTP, they have the Ti-subtype that has developed Si and the Ne-subtype that has developed Fe. These are the short descriptions of the subtypes...

Isn't that something attributed to Ni usually?

This has been described in socionics some time ago, you might want to look into it. All of the Pi-dominant and auxiliary types are called dynamic in socionics. Dynamic types are said to excel at synthetic thinking. All of the Ji-dominant or auxiliary types are called static and static types...