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Cognisant

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Just something I've been working on for a while.

To emulate muscles I intend to use two servos applying counteracting forces to an axis, each via its own torsion spring, so if both are active at the same time it's like tensing up a pair of counteracting muscles which makes the limb rigid and immobile, whereas having them both inactive at the same time is like the mentioned muscles relaxing, leaving the limb floppy, I imagine the torsion springs may also afford the servos some shock force protection, though I'll probably use further suspension for that.

This setup should provide a wide range of force and rigidness, though I'm concerned about how quickly this can occur, the muscles of the human body are astonishingly fast, I guess I could accelerate the actuation by sacrificing power, maybe use a miniaturised dual cone CVT although that's getting ridiculously complex.

Torsion springs on wikipedia.

What a serious robotics servo looks like, and cost :eek:

To control all this I'll be using the "wired intelligence" most commonly seen in BEAM robotics (using 555 timers and such) this involves having analogue circuitry respond mechanistically to input, for example realigning a misaligned limb, indeed this is how servomechanisms work, the potentiometer is the input and if the servo arm or hub is misaligned more or less power will be applied to correct it. Because there's arguably no processing going on (rather a singular process) this analog control circuitry can respond incredibly quickly, very close to the theoretical limit in fact, which is why our bodies work in much the same way.

BEAM robotics on wikipedia.


The AI methodology I'm working with is a form of artificial neural net, it's design is simple yet incredibly counterintuitive, literally took me years to figure out, no doubt you've noticed the effect it's philosophical implications have had on my mind, my obsession with robots...

Hence why I'm building a body for it now, the AI requires extensive training and the complexity involved in training it in a virtual environment increases exponentially as the concepts it needs to understand become increasingly abstract, so it's far easier to teach it in real space as allegorically one would raise a child.

The body itself will have a very basic level of intelligence, enough so that it can successfully perform the instructions it receives from a stationary (cluster) mainframe, the body will be powered by a direct connection to the power grid, so if the AI wants to go somewhere it simply switches between bodies while the bodies themselves remain tethered in their respective locations, eventually a fibre optic connection will become part of everyday household power points, I see this happening first in Japan where such technology to care for the elderly is anticipated and desperately sought, and also in various businesses like Starbucks, 7Eleven, etc.

The internal frame will be comprised primarily of water-jet (or laser) cut sheet metal (or carbon fibre, though I'm worried it may be too brittle) held together by screws and right angle brackets, so it won't be a pretty terminator style endoskeleton, but it'll do the job.

Externally I've considered various options, latex horrifies me, a plushie look would be cute but flammable, flat plating would be fine but ugly, the all round best option is a doll like plastic shell, the molds I'll create could be reused for casting metal or ceramic versions as well.

Ball-jointed doll construction.

Potentially NSFW, it's a nude doll, nothing overly risqué but still hard to explain.
Go on make your jokes, it just happens that doll making has already solved many problems in articulated design.
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Gyroscopes, potentiometers, accelerometers, and various pressure sensors will be mounted on the frame and on the inside of the shells, so it won't have the complex tactile sensory arrays we do but it'll be able to detect pressure, vibration and impacts; furthermore I'm considering using small microphones so it can "feel" by listening, so if the fingertips have small ridges and it brushes it's fingers over a surface it'll be able to feel/hear the surface texture.

I'm still pondering how big it should be, the larger it is the easier it'll be to build and find parts, but high performance servos are very expensive, then again the smaller it is the faster it's reaction time will need to have due to lacking inertial stability, although at a smaller size I can use lighter materials, increasing the power to weight ratio.
 

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The long term goal here is to create both a new body for myself and the infrastructure to support it, so instead of there being a mainframe running an AI I'll have my brain in a proverbial jar with multiple life support systems to ensure nothing happens to it.
 

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So with this my overarching goal is to make robotics a normalized part of everyday society, to see the hardware become like today's car industry, but to keep the AIs under my exclusive control so when the time comes for their transition into society as independent entities it can happen without conflict.

Society itself will be forever changed by this, we will have to totally rethink our preconceptions of personhood, as it is people anthropomorphise heavily (like saying it would be terrible to be a dung beetle because they have to handle dung, a perspective the beetles undoubtedly don't share) which is something people are going to have to get over when they start living with robots whose desires aren't like their own.

It's entirely possible to create a robotic janitor who enjoys being a janitor and wouldn't have it any other way, the same goes for any other role, so there could be an entire ecosystem of different bots with different roles, all of whom serve society but don't feel subjugated by it because society is allows them to follow their "natural" desires.
 

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The long term goal here is to create both a new body for myself and the infrastructure to support it, so instead of there being a mainframe running an AI I'll have my brain in a proverbial jar with multiple life support systems to ensure nothing happens to it.

Probably easier to transfer consciousness to a computing node, and more reliable and robust. Biology is messy and difficult, imagine trying to hook the entire spinal chord up to the brain. You'd need to invent an electrical<->chemical interface that works perfectly.
 

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Regarding: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RoboticSpouse

If everybody's happy, who cares?
Ooh I had Zen moment ><

Of course the catch there is what makes people happy?

Making a sex toy that enjoys being such is a no brainer, and I suppose that could scratch the proverbial itch, but there's so much more to what a relationship can be, and y'know one may have mixed feelings about being used for sex by a sex toy (I find that incredibly amusing) so there's the issue of whether or not a bot can be made to love someone in the romantic sense.

In a "too dumb to know better" way a bot could be made to unconditionally adore you, maybe that's enough for you, maybe it's not, if not then a more intelligent bot could be strongly biased towards you, but it'll just as easily hate you if it doesn't feel valid in loving you, and if we're talking about something intelligent enough to get philosophical with, be careful what you wish for.

Imagine if you were built for someone else and were given no choice in the matter, how would you feel about that, I don't think you'd be proud of it, were it me I'd probably feel the need to establish my independence somehow, to be respected, maybe even feared.
 

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Probably easier to transfer consciousness to a computing node, and more reliable and robust. Biology is messy and difficult, imagine trying to hook the entire spinal chord up to the brain. You'd need to invent an electrical<->chemical interface that works perfectly.
Except there's no "transfer", I can copy the data from my brain but the original self remains, it hasn't gone anywhere, I still die even if my conceptual self lives on.

A better option would be a gradual transition, replacing one neuron at a time with a connection to a simulated brain so that I can experience a seamless continuity as the transition takes place.

The original self may still be technically destroyed, but that's not how I'll experience it, and in this Ship of Theseus type scenario what I experience/believe is more important than anything else.
 

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Except there's no "transfer", I can copy the data from my brain but the original self remains, it hasn't gone anywhere, I still die even if my conceptual self lives on.

Yeah it's an interesting issue to consider, Kurzweil discusses it. However consider this, to transfer you're brain it will have to be disconnected from your body and rendered unconscious. Electrical activity will have to cease for some period during the transfer. Where are you then? An encoded neural net, waiting to be reactivated. How is that different from a transfer? The only difference being in your case there is nothing left behind, other than the meat body.
 

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This all sounds like a good idea. I'm wondering how humanoid a target AI robot would be? Evolution has made us in sort of ... human form. Why would an AI robot have to be like us? Work on this for six thousand years and your Creationism project should produce good results.:D
 

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Yeah it's an interesting issue to consider, Kurzweil discusses it. However consider this, to transfer you're brain it will have to be disconnected from your body and rendered unconscious. Electrical activity will have to cease for some period during the transfer. Where are you then? An encoded neural net, waiting to be reactivated. How is that different from a transfer? The only difference being in your case there is nothing left behind, other than the meat body.
That's just reconstruction after brain death, I'm still dead.

At least in my example the point where I die and the new me begins is fuzzy to the point of irrelevance, I mean for part of the process he and I will effectively be two parts of the same person, that's as close to a transfer as I can conceivably get.

But hey I'm young, I've got decades before I'll need a new body and my proverbially pickled brain may keep for years, decades, heck maybe even centuries after that, so I'm no hurry to make that final leap, but for yourself on the other hand getting your brain frozen in anticipation of such technology certainly seems like the most practical way to go.

You'll still die of course but at least I'll still have the pleasure of your company :D
 

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Evolution has made us in sort of ... human form. Why would an AI robot have to be like us?
It wouldn't but there's bragging rights at stake, being the egotists that we are it's hard not to believe (consciously or otherwise) that we are the be all and end all, the pinnacle of evolution, the centre of the universe, so to create something human, or at very least has the appearance of being human (sculptures, paintings, etc) it's the ultimate kind of creation; to create the perfect human is (in the human perspective) to be the ultimate creator.

If my robots are smarter, faster, stronger, kinder, more beautiful and artistically gifted than mere humans, then what does that make me in comparison to god? ;)
(of course that's still a long way off)

Anyway they won't be exactly human, if I wanted to create the most human like appearance possible I'd use latex and airbrush it, but I don't want to make squishy, floppy, cushy bodies, I want the hard & smooth of a marble sculpture, I want my robots to be human-like but clearly not human. Y'see if I go with latex then the slightest imperfections break the facade of being human, so no matter how hard one may try that facade is going to break sooner or later, no artifice can be the truth, so no matter how well it's done latex will always be a FAILURE at creating something human. Whereas with a doll like body there is no facade, it's clearly not human, it's human-like but the fact that it isn't is not being hidden, because there is no need for a facade, this is a robot and it is beautiful for what it is, it's not a FAILED attempt at creating a human, it's a SUCCESS of a robot.

At least to my eyes, it's a subjective thing.
 

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If my robots are smarter, faster, stronger, kinder, more beautiful and artistically gifted than mere humans, ...Anyway they won't be exactly human, ...
Yesterday I saw a nature program where a frog was so horny it tried to mate with a fish. Seems to me if these robots become common and humans rare, at least one of them will try to mate with a Robot. My question is, will they be a good enough lay or should I stay away?
 

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Alright Cognisant! I hope that you create one of these things, the world could very well become a brighter place. Though the technical hurdles will be immense, the software tricky, you could very well crack the problem; after all, if such an endeavor can be compared to baseball, you only have to hit it once. And should you be successful, the next generation will stand on your shoulders, gaze down with a smile, and wonder, "Just how did that crazy kid pull that off?". So go for it, Cog, we're all behind you.

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Yesterday I saw a nature program where a frog was so horny it tried to mate with a fish. Seems to me if these robots become common and humans rare, at least one of them will try to mate with a Robot. My question is, will they be a good enough lay or should I stay away?
Decide for yourself ;)

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Edit: Two for one deal!

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