INTPs and under-estimating feelings

[Adymus]

INTPs are innately detached from the feelings of others, because of an under developed Fe. It is worse that too many accept this as their identity and begin to look down at Fe users, because taking the group's feeling into consideration only get's in the way of true objective discernment.

What annoys me though is this leads to a mentality that feeling types are flawed, and that thinking is truly superior.

That's like thinking that because you are great at working with your hands and are a really slow runner, then people who have feet must be pussies.

I once heard an INTP say feelers should stay out of typing people because their feelings get in the way. This, my friends, it totally bullshit. If anything, Feeling is actually the better discernment function to use because you can use your own feelings to read theirs. Everyone has a feeling functions, thus you can essentually use your feeling functions to read how much feeling they are using and if that would make them a T or an F.

But what I was trying to say in my Analogy is that we are looking at a part of ourselves and shuning it just because it takes more work to use it. We INTPs have Fe for a reason, and it can an should be utilized. All types are ment to use all four of their functions, lower functions are not just some tail bone that is going to disappear in a few million years. Our lower function can ONLY make us stronger, you are not sacrificing Ti by developing Fe, despite popular belief (for some reason.)

An INTPs Fe is meant to let the world into our subjective logic, and that is how we will influence it.
To shun your feelings to shun half of what you are capable of, and is only damaging yourself in the end.

 

[Chimera]

Definitely agreed. Intps want to understand things through patterns and systems and logic.
None of that applies to emotions. There is never going to be a concrete understanding of them, but there can be acceptance.
Intps, and the rest of the "Thinkers", are silly if they don't realize the benefits of a healthy Fe. It's just another skill, not a conversion to the dark side. Having a stronger awareness of emotion can definitely be an aid in some situations.​

 

[Adymus]

Definitely agreed. Intps want to understand things through patterns and systems and logic.
None of that applies to emotions. There is never going to be a concrete understanding of them, but there can be acceptance.
Intps, and the rest of the "Thinkers", are silly if they don't realize the benefits of a healthy Fe. It's just another skill, not a conversion to the dark side. Having a stronger awareness of emotion can definitely be an aid in some situations.​

I wouldn't say that we will never have a concrete understanding of the F world per se. The use of feeling really is a pattern and system, especially Fe because of how Objective and responsive to the outside it is, it is not very difficult to analyze and understand at all. In fact, having a better understanding of how it works give you an edge in using it yourself.

Fi on the other hand, I will say can be a rather alien concept because of the subjective nature of "inner values". But yes, at least we can accept it as functional desernment technology.

 

[Chimera]

Ah, I was more than a little distracted while I replied. The first part of my post was referring to Fi rather than Fe. My mistake. ​

 

[Adymus]

You are essentially suggesting that inevitably we will exist in hyper-Individualism. Feelings are community oriented functions, you are absolutely right, and when exactly do you suggest man-kind will no longer exist in a community? The fact is though, Thoughts and feelings are one and the same. You can't have inner values unless there is some for of logic dictating why they are valuable or not. You can't have inner logic without placing convictions into logic itself.
Where exactly is the inherent value in thinking? Is it really so better to make sense of things based on a set of rules received by the interpretation of neurons firing off in the synapses that you can't even really trust to hold true? What exactly does this achieve in the universe, and is it really so better than having a focus on your own subjective feelings? Either way it is just a subjective understanding, something that has very little merit in the world around us.

 

[cheese]

I wrote it on an emotional whim and so deleted it on one as well.

Therefore, I am no longer responsible for anything I said. Yay!

 

[Adymus]

I wrote it on an emotional whim and so deleted it on one as well.

Therefore, I am no longer responsible for anything I said. Yay!

Damn it, I knew I should have quoted you...

 

[Aiss]

I agree we shouldn't excuse poor ability to deal with emotions with being INTP. It still doesn't solve the problem of how to develop Fe... all I've ever found on the topic is what we will gain, not how to get there. It's probably highly individual, but really, I'd appreciate some clues.

What annoys me though is this leads to a mentality that feeling types are flawed, and that thinking is truly superior.

I might be wrong, but I got the impression it's Sensors that most of us tend to look down at? (Not that it's justified, of course. Just saying.)

 

[Adymus]

I agree we shouldn't excuse poor ability to deal with emotions with being INTP. It still doesn't solve the problem of how to develop Fe... all I've ever found on the topic is what we will gain, not how to get there. It's probably highly individual, but really, I'd appreciate some clues.



I might be wrong, but I got the impression it's Sensors that most of us tend to look down at? (Not that it's justified, of course. Just saying.)

A good starting point would be to study the way types who have stronger Fe than the INTP use it, such as ENTPs and INFJs. (I wouldn't recommend Dominant Fe types since they don't really turn it off, and it is hard to see how they are pushing with it, and accentuating their points.)

I would say putting yourself in more social situtions, but that may not work so well for everyone depending on what your starting point is.

I think getting into Acting, Group speaking, Improv, anything that involves you to learn how to communicate effectively and expressively with groups is a big help. I hope that helps.

Also, you might be right about that, but if I wanted to talk about our attitudes toward sensors I would have targeted intuitives in general. Considering it is really not just us at all. Plus, I really can't blame us for having fustration with them.