What is fair? What is unfair? Can we find something more objective about it? We may find everyone has an opinion or intuition about what is fair. Can we define it or is it totally arbitrary and subjective?
Fair as defined is without bias and thus as objective as we can get.
Fair as a common usage is different. From my experience, people often use it to describe a feeling of not getting what they think they deserve. It is then directed only at themselves and not considering the objective or whole picture view of what is really fair. This is why I object to it's usage as being better than the term "equality".
I think the usage was in terms of inherent human value as apposed to the person as an outcome.
example: Treating them equally with respect but judge their word separately based on the relevance of their opinions and experience instead of making judgments based off their whole person.
Everything is fair. When someone says "unfair", they actually mean that it's "more fair"
and they want to be in that position too.
If there are a bunch of balls scatered on the ground and they are all still, they are fair
to each other. If one starts moving it becomes "unfair" in realation to others, it would
become fair again if every ball began moving.
To be or become fair, is to be the same in that particular aspect. That's my definition.
(when I say everything is fair, I mean "everything" as real, therefor
everything is fair to each other in that aspect.)
a.If aliens were more evolved and intelligent, smarter than us,
would it be fair for them to experiment on us like we do on animals? I
think it's fair...
b.Would it be fair if monkeys were more intelligent, evolved and smarter
than us and they would experiment on us? This appears fair also.
In realation to us experimenting on animals.
c.Is it fair for scientists to experiment on other human beings. It seems fair if those "other human" beings were smarter than scientists to experiment
on scientists...
Wait... that might be the reason why we will never establish
communication with anything more intelligent untill we as more intelligent
will start treating everything else in a more fair manner. Derp.
I heared that somewhere:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
This is a case where in the OP I used the term "fair" without having any concrete examples in mind. Somehow we have to ground this question in something concrete. Here we have desired examples:
a.If aliens were more evolved and intelligent, smarter than us,
would it be fair for them to experiment on us like we do on animals? I
think it's fair...
b.Would it be fair if monkeys were more intelligent, evolved and smarter
than us and they would experiment on us? This appears fair also.
In realation to us experimenting on animals.
c.Is it fair for scientists to experiment on other human beings. It seems fair if those "other human" beings were smarter than scientists to experiment
on scientists...
Wait... that might be the reason why we will never establish
communication with anything more intelligent untill we as more intelligent
will start treating everything else in a more fair manner. Derp.
Not sure what you heard is very fair. Suppose I like evil drugs or have a drinking problem. Would it be fair to push those evil drugs onto others or encourage them to drink with me?
Not sure what you heard is very fair. Suppose I like evil drugs or have a drinking problem. Would it be fair to push those evil drugs onto others or encourage them to drink with me?
The term is actually treat others as you would like to be treated. It is a subtle difference but changes the overall meaning a bit. I still think people shouldn't be treated the same. People simply respond differently to the same treatment.
Its not about intelligence. It is about self awareness. One might argue that intelligence creates self awareness but it really is not certain. It could be the manifestation of a soul or something unknown.
a. Human beings may not be as smart as aliens, but they can protest.
b. We experiment on monkeys because they don't protest and we can get away with it.
c. I have been experimented on. But I didn't protest and had to sign a consent form agreeing to the experiment.
Not sure what you heard is very fair. Suppose I like evil drugs or have a drinking problem. Would it be fair to push those evil drugs onto others or encourage them to drink with me? Doctors in a medicine field... proclaiming we should take drugs and drink weird stuff. Is that fair?
b. how do you know they don't protest? You teach them our language and they tell you it's okay? Or you knock them out and see that they don't respond, that meaning they are okay with an experiment like that?
Let's assume we have an experiment: torture a human being and see what happens. How many and who would want to participate? In my book, that's a perfectly normal experiment, and I already speculated on what possible outcomes could be. Actually they are far more interesting than you'd think. And if they are correct, I'd go as to so far as to suggest we install an institusion to torture every person after they finish a school in a very, very, and I mean very controlled flashion.
c. So you consider it fair to be asked before experimented on, because if you had an experiment in mind you would ask aswell.
As for the drug addict, ofcourse it's fair, if he stole or hoarded all of them to himself. It would look unfair that only he can have all the drugs and only he has the right to drink. Doctors in a medicine field... telling us to take drugs and drink some weird stuff.... does that sound fair to you, they'd go as to so far as: Hey I had a surgery and I feel great now, you should have one too... Madness I tell you, Madness.
Not sure what you heard is very fair. Suppose I like evil drugs or have a drinking problem. Would it be fair to push those evil drugs onto others or encourage them to drink with me?
If we're defining fair as things being equal and unfair as unequal then it would be fair to let others know that if they wanted some drugs they could have some. It may be considered wrong but it is still fair.
Right and wrong has nothing to do with equality.
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