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What do you feel is causing the current mental health crises?

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It's often spoken about that we're in a "mental health crisis." I don't know to what extent this is as people are talking about mental health more where in the past it was more stigmatised. But there does seem to be some truth to this.

To me, there are several core things that are needed to strengthen mental health. One of them is community, which can also take the form of a support network. Another is purpose, which collectively in the past has been provided through religious institutions, but also takes the form of an individual's sense of purpose and a knowing of what they are setting out to do.

Another is resilience. If someone has resilience, they have the confidence and resourcefulness to face challenges and overcome them as they arise. Challenges don't weaken the person, they provide a means to become more resilient, and a pathway to a more rewarding life.

I don't really know how to put this in a nice way. But life is hard, tough shit happens, and if you don't think it will happen then it could happen and you have to respond to it when it does. If you look at nature that's the world we live in - nature is brutal, the tough survive and the young are prepared for it from early on.

I wonder to what extent we're in a mental health crises as people don't have these things anymore. They don't have as strong a community to lean on, or as strong a sense of purpose, or as much resilience. People are spoken about as if they're fragile little twigs that break and become infantilised at the slightest trauma and people over-protect people to shield them from anything challenging and rob them of the opportunities needed to develop resilience and confidence as they grow up.

What do you think? Any other takes on what the current mental health crises is about?
 

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Overcrowding and overpopulation which makes everything scarce. Also, dna. I think dna remembers both your own and all of your ancestors traumas and it just keeps compiling and getting passed down and changing us in ways. And, back to the first point, when you don't have security of family, of home, of space, of love, the isolation deteriorates things. Plus, all the pollution keeps your cells from fully functioning and so we start dying at younger ages, ie, gmo foods, lack of sunshine, poor nutrition, lead in water pipes, mercury in fish, etc. I forgot to add that all the medications people are taking are getting into the water supply, and wifi likely isn't helping our blood brain barriers either. So, fatigue, and just that food no longer carries its original levels of nutrition because its grown artificially or without the benefit of a nice life.
 

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I think helicopter parenting and general over-protectiveness have always existed. Is it worse now than ever before? Yeah maybe. It's likely that the parents themselves have neurotic tendencies, which they're now passing on through both genes and nurture. In Australia resilience is one of the key things we look to foster in education, but tbh people tend to be bad at supporting development of resilience at all levels. It's a huge pain in the ass to do because you increase your liability and paperwork whenever you support any level of risk-taking.

Personally I think a lot of it's technological. We are not adapted to the environment we've created for ourselves. Our body is built for activity. Sitting for eight hours a day and not exercising is bad for us. Having every problem humanity can presently think of blasted at us in a 24/7 news cycle is bad for us. Social norms that divide and isolate us are bad for us.

Nutrition is also a bit fucky. We've got an abundance but at the same time the vegetables we eat are less nutritious due to over-availability of CO2 (they grow faster but are less nutritious per gram). I'm hesitant to say it's causal in mental health, but it might be a small factor?

Taking up a social sport skyrocketed my mental health. I can't recommend it enough. Regular exercise, something you can put you mind to, and regular but contained socialisation without alcohol/drugs involved.
 

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Resilience requires recovery from stressful events. When you are under constant stress without pause you become fragile.

Therefore we need to take care of ourselves in the right ways as that's required to be healthy.
 

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Stress can look different for people.

So like extraverts and introverts would have opposite stressor and needs of recovery.

It varies person to person.
 

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im not really tuned into the mental health stuff, but my take would be that although i agree with the resilience part, resilience does not just come from exposure to stressors. It's also about having a mental model of life that allows you to interpret challenging circumstances in constructive ways. A big part of that is having a culture with certain values and principles that are conducive to that. How does that culture look like nowadays? Well to me it seems pretty much non-existent; when something bad happens you're supposed to interpret it as victimization, and your task is to look for perpetrators, identifying systemic issues with the world etc etc. That's doubly bad; not only do you lose the capacity for resilience, you also create a worldview for yourself where you are living in an evil world over which you have little control. Or rather - the only way you can take control is to complain a lot and try to start social movements (which will also be filled with people who complain a lot). So it all just becomes a circle of negativity and loss of resilience
 

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99% of mental health is physical health.

But also 99% of mental health is support.

When your wife and kids leave then drugs might not be the solution.

When your mother or father died drugs might not be the solution.

When you are nutrient deficit drugs might not be the solution.

When your kids acts out in school drugs might not be the solution.

Doctors cannot support you so they give drugs. That's their job. But it might not be the solution. Family, friends and food nutrients are needed 99% of the time. It is why government suppresses mass moments that get people working together by distractions. Pharmaceuticals and Identity politics.
 

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Basically we are programmed to fight each other and eat unhealthy food.

Doctors cannot solve this.
 

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I wonder if all the opposing truths people have are part of it, cognitive dissonance:
Or, if its just natural because we LIVE in a world full of dissonance. Thats how I deal with it, how can I NOT have dissonance if the world itself is like this, I'm just living in this world. But, it might be a symptom of lack of decision making for yourself. Need to consciously make choices more purposefully. And especially, consider what you feel about yourself. Is there dissonance when you interact with others? What thoughts can resolve the dissonance when you are rooting for yourself in such cases? Is there a win-win? Look in the mirror and try to repair any dissonance you feel about YOU first of all. Heal that part with your own mind I think might be the first step. If you have a big ego in some ways, or a small ego in other ways, you have your work cut out for yourself to balance this out. It can't be so big or so small that you don't see how to balance self and world. Play out how to use your personal power to do good and feel good in the world. Explore! Thats where you really are powerful.
 

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For anyone needing to connect to their WILL, (the kind that helps you complete projects, gives you the energy to get through things, clears clutter, is the opposite of depressed, etc) Try this yoga position with hands over head. When hands are over head command the below. (Make it sound in your head like a command should, don't beg, command).

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I command that all negativity is cleared in and all around me.
Now go forward and speak your truth gently.

Imagine the area above your belly button with a yellow spinning chakra, spinning strongly, it is powerful, magical, boldly yet softly and calmly able to command or request what is needed.

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Chakra Healing: How To Open Your Solar Plexus Chakra - Goodnet
Realize your personal power by opening the solar plexus chakra
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Opening the Solar Plexus Chakra

Burn Manipura incense and essential oils.

Aromatherapy has the power to awaken our sense of personal power. To open the solar plexus, burn fiery incense and essential oils like saffron, musk, sandalwood, ginger, and cinnamon.

Repeat positive affirmations about personal power.

By repeating affirmations, either out loud, in our heads, or by writing them down, we help reverse negative thought patterns and replace them with constructive ones. Change the script by repeating affirmations like:

As I take on new challenges, I feel calm, confident, and powerful.
I feel motivated to pursue my purpose.
I am ambitious and capable.
I forgive myself for past mistakes, and I learn from them.
The only thing I need to control is how I respond to situations.
I have the courage to create positive change in my life.
I stand in my personal power.

Practice postures that balance the solar plexus chakra

Practicing yoga postures with mindful breathing helps release tension in the solar plexus, physically, mentally, and emotionally. The warrior poses build confidence and align the third chakra. Sun salutations warm up the body and connect with the fiery energy of the sun. Boat pose is another excellent posture for strengthening the abdominal muscles, balancing digestion, and bringing a sense of personal empowerment.

Heal from the past

Many of our past traumas become stored in the body and continue to affect thought patterns and behaviors. People who have experienced a strict upbringing, bullying, or authoritarian parents, or those who have suffered mental or physical abuse tend to have difficulty balancing the third chakra. Therapy, support from loved ones, and other healthy activities can help begin the path to healing from the past and restoring balance to the solar plexus chakra
 

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A whole bunch of economic/political bullshit.

3rd wave feminism replaced the pursuit of equality with equity and convinced women the best thing they can be is an embodiment of all the negative stereotypes of men, meanwhile men are being shamed for not being women and are actively disadvantaged in the name of equity, which has created useless effeminate men.
 

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The feeling of being commodified. Losing humanity in the eyes of everybody you love when you realize when they look at you, they see money instead of a living, breathing person. So many regrets in life which would have not been regrets had I had some more money. And what's more depressing is that those regrets were not about me as a person but my financial capacity. Walking around everywhere feeling like a thinning money bag. And it's making me depressed. And everybody says that it's how life is but I am having a very hard time reconciling that my tiny wallet will always take precedence over my entire existence.
 

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People are spoken about as if they're fragile little twigs that break and become infantilised at the slightest trauma and people over-protect people to shield them from anything challenging and rob them of the opportunities needed to develop resilience and confidence as they grow up.
That's just a factor of money. Rich dads infantalize their kids, poor dads brutalize them. The rich have too much money to ever take humanity seriously, the poor have too less to even secure a dignified existence.

Every single nonrich kid at my uni is thinning and suffering from malnutrition of some kind. I am personally in a situation to constantly avail vitamin d3 shots because there's never enough money for 3 square meals a day without putting my self respect on the line in front of my parents who are themselves always compromising. Most of us 'nonrich' kids have some private property for a rainy day saved. But it's useless. When you factor in retirement plans, hospital bills and unemployment in the long-term, this generation is left with nothing substantial.

Plus the quality of education is also a factor. Currently I am cleaning data where people were supposed to put their names. Can you imagine college graduates and matriculates mispelling their own names in English? It was infuriating for me but then I felt very bad when I realized that they were unable to read or write english despite so much education so they resorted to write english pronunciations in their native tongue. The situation was so bad that the firm's excel sheets is a mixture of two languages. When asked why, I got told that there is 'resistance' among the ground-level volunteers.

Child marriage still exists here. In a particular state's district, the rates are as high as 48% among women between 15y to 22y who were married 10 years ago. They found a strong correlation between water availability and child marriage?! You think this generation is well-off, you are wrong. There is plenty of longitudinal researches here which prove some of your points about food being of poor quality. My grannies are noticeably stronger than my parents.
 

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I think helicopter parenting and general over-protectiveness have always existed. Is it worse now than ever before? Yeah maybe. It's likely that the parents themselves have neurotic tendencies, which they're now passing on through both genes and nurture. In Australia resilience is one of the key things we look to foster in education, but tbh people tend to be bad at supporting development of resilience at all levels. It's a huge pain in the ass to do because you increase your liability and paperwork whenever you support any level of risk-taking.

Personally I think a lot of it's technological. We are not adapted to the environment we've created for ourselves. Our body is built for activity. Sitting for eight hours a day and not exercising is bad for us. Having every problem humanity can presently think of blasted at us in a 24/7 news cycle is bad for us. Social norms that divide and isolate us are bad for us.

Taking up a social sport skyrocketed my mental health. I can't recommend it enough. Regular exercise, something you can put you mind to, and regular but contained socialisation without alcohol/drugs involved.
This sounds true to me. What do you feel can be done about the technological and inactive aspect given the amount of dependence there is now on desk based jobs? Do you feel taking up a sport between the long periods of inactivity is enough to diminish the effect of this?

People are spoken about as if they're fragile little twigs that break and become infantilised at the slightest trauma and people over-protect people to shield them from anything challenging and rob them of the opportunities needed to develop resilience and confidence as they grow up.
That's just a factor of money. Rich dads infantalize their kids, poor dads brutalize them. The rich have too much money to ever take humanity seriously, the poor have too less to even secure a dignified existence.

Every single nonrich kid at my uni is thinning and suffering from malnutrition of some kind. I am personally in a situation to constantly avail vitamin d3 shots because there's never enough money for 3 square meals a day without putting my self respect on the line in front of my parents who are themselves always compromising. Most of us 'nonrich' kids have some private property for a rainy day saved. But it's useless. When you factor in retirement plans, hospital bills and unemployment in the long-term, this generation is left with nothing substantial.

Plus the quality of education is also a factor. Currently I am cleaning data where people were supposed to put their names. Can you imagine college graduates and matriculates mispelling their own names in English? It was infuriating for me but then I felt very bad when I realized that they were unable to read or write english despite so much education so they resorted to write english pronunciations in their native tongue. The situation was so bad that the firm's excel sheets is a mixture of two languages. When asked why, I got told that there is 'resistance' among the ground-level volunteers.

Child marriage still exists here. In a particular state's district, the rates are as high as 48% among women between 15y to 22y who were married 10 years ago. They found a strong correlation between water availability and child marriage?! You think this generation is well-off, you are wrong. There is plenty of longitudinal researches here which prove some of your points about food being of poor quality. My grannies are noticeably stronger than my parents.

I definitely agree with you that malnutrition and lack of resources are important and relevant factors. If I were to play devils advocate, hasn’t it always been the case that there have been poorer classes? Is the food we have now worse than what peasants a thousand years ago would eat? That could be the case I’m just curious.
 

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99% of mental health is physical health.

But also 99% of mental health is support.

When your wife and kids leave then drugs might not be the solution.

When your mother or father died drugs might not be the solution.

When you are nutrient deficit drugs might not be the solution.

When your kids acts out in school drugs might not be the solution.

Doctors cannot support you so they give drugs. That's their job. But it might not be the solution. Family, friends and food nutrients are needed 99% of the time. It is why government suppresses mass moments that get people working together by distractions. Pharmaceuticals and Identity politics.
Agreed with you and birdsnestfern that I think isolation is a big factor. Why do you feel nutrition is worse now than it’s ever been? Also why would you say that physical health and support around it is worse now than previous times in history?
 

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Agreed with you and birdsnestfern that I think isolation is a big factor. Why do you feel nutrition is worse now than it’s ever been? Also why would you say that physical health and support around it is worse now than previous times in history?

Food today is mass produced, that means preservatives and fillers are the majority of what is in them. Empty calories.

The desk job has probably meant you don't get exercise. But obesity is enhanced by empty calories and not burning it off. I guaranty obesity is 95% based on deficiency of vitamin and minerals. Trans fats, sugar and msg that makes food taste good to replace its lack of nutrients.

Support though is based on acceptance and teens today don't feel much acceptance. School is hard with or without friends and social media making this worse. Early life effects later outcomes so if you become isolated school does that to kids more today.
 

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I think what it is is that our activity is less strenuous and our relaxation is more stimulated. Throw Big Macs in there, and that is a recipe for disaster.

Guys who still work with their hands, you will notice, are on social media a lot less than others. And when you work your body hard, you rest hard because you have to. On the other hand, people who work desk jobs probably don't exercise much on average. And since food is such a hot ticket commodity item, it is actually work to not eat too much and get your macros.
 

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It's often spoken about that we're in a "mental health crisis." I don't know to what extent this is as people are talking about mental health more where in the past it was more stigmatised. But there does seem to be some truth to this.
Not quite sure exactly what type of mental health people are saying is common. I hve noticed that a lot of the sorts of things people say that young people are like today, are exactly the sorts of irrational behaviours that would normally be considered signs of irrational depression and inrrational anxieties by any of my former therapists.

I was also talking to a 19-year-old the other day, who agreed when I mentioned that young people seem to be constantly presented with media that implies that they've got no hope of a positive future, and everything is very dangerous, which would probably give them

To me, there are several core things that are needed to strengthen mental health.
The latest theories in mental health, now talk about "mental wellness". Empirical studies suggest that sane people usually do certain things that insane people don't, that would probably increase mental wellness.

One of them is community, which can also take the form of a support network.
True. But the disparagement of organised religions sent a lot of people away from their religious services and their religious communities.

Then the local pubs and clubs served as community centres. But the clubs like the working mens clubs were shut down due to feminist pressures. The scouting clubs were shut down due to allegations of paedophilia amongst scoutmasters (there were cases, but no more than anywhere else). Smoking bans in pubs and the ease and cheapness of beers bought in supermarkets reduced their custom by so much that most of them have become restaurants for young families that also serve alcohol.

Another is purpose, which collectively in the past has been provided through religious institutions, but also takes the form of an individual's sense of purpose and a knowing of what they are setting out to do.
When you feel like you don't know what you're doing or why, you start wondering why you're putting in all that effort for no reason. Makes one feel hopeless about life.

Companies have severely cut back on training, so people feel like they don't know what they're doing half the time. They're repeatedly given messages like "fake it till you make it", or saying "We got this" when you're not really sure if you have "got" it. Generally, everything has been reduced to monetary terms, with everyone being given the impression that the only way to succeed is to "earn more money", with zero care put towards your sense of purpose in life.

Another is resilience. If someone has resilience, they have the confidence and resourcefulness to face challenges and overcome them as they arise. Challenges don't weaken the person, they provide a means to become more resilient, and a pathway to a more rewarding life.
Yes. But resilience is a skill, and you need to practise a skill to keep improving your skills more and more, until you get to the level of resilience that you currently need in your life.

E.G. If you pay for everything while your kids are at home, but the minute they want to move out, you leave them to it, then it's a case of "sink or swim". Some sink. Some drown.

Keep doing that with enough things, and everyone "sinks" on some things, and then some people drown due to each thing you take that attitude with. Now count up how many different ways people are being expected to "sink or swim",

If you want to get kids to deal with bills, without sinking or drowning, then you have to give them the bills equivalent of "swimming lessons". You have to progressively get them used to dealing with more and more of their bills, until they're comfortably handling so many of their bills, that if they were living on their own with a family, they'd still be OK at managing their own bills.

I don't really know how to put this in a nice way. But life is hard, tough shit happens, and if you don't think it will happen then it could happen and you have to respond to it when it does.
Most people follow their habits.

In those schools and workplaces that have regular fire drills, when there's a real fire, everyone just assumes the alarm is a drill because they've been habituated to associate alarms with drills, follows their normal habit calmly and does what they should do, and then when they get outside, discover that it was a real fire.

In those places that don't have regular fire drills, when the alarm goes off, most people panic and there's a crazy stampede. People get hurt. Some people stay where they are. People die.

If we'd had "pandemic drills" in every location, every year since 2014, by the time 2020 rolled around, everyone would have followed their habits, and the pandemic would have been little more than a nice 2-month holiday.

If you look at nature that's the world we live in - nature is brutal, the tough survive and the young are prepared for it from early on.
Nature is not any different to human experience, except that when groups of animals keep getting caught in forest fires, they usually don't start running fire drills. Only those with the nature to have a habit of dealing with fires successfully, will survive in large numbers.

I wonder to what extent we're in a mental health crises as people don't have these things anymore. They don't have as strong a community to lean on, or as strong a sense of purpose, or as much resilience. People are spoken about as if they're fragile little twigs that break and become infantilised at the slightest trauma
Part of the job of a community, is to provide emotional support and encouragement, which includes talking about you as if you're capable, and not as if you're incapable.

Also, therapists now describe capability and competency as a spectrum, and call the idea that someone is not capable of anything, a "deficiency schema".

The idea that someone can be given any task, or called "incompetent" as if he can't do anything right, "black-or-white thinking".

Both those perspectives are so incongruent with reality, that it's almost guaranteed that people with such views would make lots of choices that are clearly irrational when thinking in terms of reality.

I mean, imagine if ever since you were born, everyone told you that your bones were made of glass, and that if you did anything dangerous, you'd break dozens of bones.

Most people end up behaving in either of 2 ways:

1) Try things anyway, discover they didn't break lots of bones, assume that they don't have to worry about breaking bones, and then do really dangerous things until one of them hurts them badly.

2) Be so careful about not doing anything that might break bones, that they do very little with their lives.

and people over-protect people to shield them from anything challenging and rob them of the opportunities needed to develop resilience and confidence as they grow up.
One of the jobs of a community was to train the young, until they had the skills and resilience to do whatever they would need to do, to protect their tribe from the sorts of dangers they might have to face as adults.

In the past, that included going to war, fighting and killing wild animals for food, and even handling epidemics, the eruption of volcanoes and earthquakes.

So they had to be very resilient, or their tribes would not survive, and so if their communities didn't train them for over a decade, when those problems hit, they couldn't handle them and the tribe would get mostly decimated.

What do you think? Any other takes on what the current mental health crises is about?
I think what other posters have said are also relevant to this general malaise and ennui that seems to be commonplace nowadays.

However, I'm not sure which came first, and whic factor caused the others, at least, not at the moment.
 

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Everyone has the resources of a monarch or noble in the feudal system, and we are realizing first hand that MOST humans will wield power in the most unproductive ways, to then avoid accountability of it.

Don't learn from history, history catches up, we act surprised, we repeat this dance until civilization itself breaks from reality, at a individual unit scale, or at a village, or as country scale.

We can always justify mental illness as weakness, because that's what institutions have effectively done, because wherever there is exploitable people there is a penny to pinch.

Never mind the fact that saving these quote weak people is what would redeem humanity. Most people can't even grow out of conversations about playing God with humanity.

We are sick and yet we are also the sickness. Evolution is brought through pain and suffering. Is failure.

Let's hope humanity didn't turn a survival of the fittest game into a survival of the failures game.
 
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