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Untimely Death Premonitions

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I have been getting this feeling more and more that I am going to die a young man. It is not one of outright fear but more of a feeling that has just latched on to me. I just don't think I was made of the right ingredients to reach the age of grey hair. Anyone else get these strong sensations that they are going to die young?
 

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Do you have depression and/or PTSD?
 

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In my experience dying young is experienced by warriors, the morbidly obese or the tragically unlucky (fetuses excluded ofc, limbo is another realm entirely)

If the first applies to you, exciting life, angelic applause, candle metaphor.

If the second, stop stuffing your face with gunk and junk that prevents one from being a healthy roaming primate.

If the third, as my Chinese landlord used to say: "What can do?"
 

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In my experience dying young is experienced by warriors, the morbidly obese or the tragically unlucky (fetuses excluded ofc, limbo is another realm entirely)

If the first applies to you, exciting life, angelic applause, candle metaphor.

If the second, stop stuffing your face with gunk and junk that is nay food for a healthy roaming primate.

If the third, as my Chinese landlord used to say: "What can do?"

I am likely to be the third so I shall become a warrior to find the cure for unluckiness. This quest however, will require many late nights and trips to McDonald's.
 

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Likely some form of the former. Just to state this early on this isn't some cry for help thread. It is just a curiosity.

I was just mentioning it since those illnesses can lead a person to feel as though they will have a short life.

For me, when I was more depressed I felt that my life was going to be very sad and I would never have a good job or relationship, but as my mood improves my confidence in those matters increases. I'm unsure if I felt that my life would be cut short, but I'm sure I would have felt that way at times.

At current, I feel that I will most likely have a normally lengthed life, but I still get a bit anxious when I think about things such as my habit of smoking.
 

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Yes, I have had all of those feelings as well. This doesn't seem to have coincided with my depression. Unsure where it came from.
 

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so if having a long term strategy about life requires a mental circuit to be online (such as what the enneagram calls head triade) then an intense emotional or physical trouble might constitute a fixation within another cognitive circuit and render the mental long term strategy circuit useless.

we may not know what other circuit holds you in distress, but perhaps we can find out if the nature of the distress has a distinct character. if something is missing, isn't right, is offending, is opposing. if something drains you, lures you, commands you, holds you down. such abstract relationships might occur in a certain context and indicate a strategy of how you relate to it. knowing this might bring the clarity of alternative options. choosing such options might break the spell of distress and open up other circuits, like long term vision.

my only long term vision is that some day i will figure out the human condition and my own identity. not much and brings up the fear of starvation, because how will understanding pay bills? but better than having no long term vision at all. i didn't always have this one. when i had no vision i was consumed with the desire of belonging somewhere, but found myself unable to fit in. so i felt rejected. and i felt like i was not allowed to do anything about it, forced to remain passive. this is still how i tend to relate to the world, within my circuit of relationship (not belonging anywhere) and my circuit of concrete action (not doing anything about it). however the subjective feeling of rejection has worn off significantly. it doesn't matter to me any more, subjectively. i feel complete or okay without belonging anywhere. the whole issue of relationship has lost its meaning. i think this is what freed me from being consumed by this concern. and allowed me to trust in my long term vision circuit. but feeling commanded to remain passive about concrete action is still disabling any long term potential besides pure understanding of life.
 
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Many who consider themselves (inherently) unlucky, generally internalize and fixate on negative events, relating to them emotionally, without actively considering the odds of those particular events occurring given one's circumstances. It would follow that the same pattern of (emotional) relation would apply to the imagination of an extremely negative event (i.e. death). In addition, for women, generally, I believe that, the belief that they will die young, can actually be rooted in failed (sexual) relationships - obviously this can apply to men too (but more-so to women.)

Emotional information relays the message of (negative) events, not through any factual information, but through vague, undefined ideas (e.g. "the world is against me"). When this becomes prominent, these ideas can extend to trivial events - which is why, these types of people may tend to freak out over, for example, dropping an object onto the floor.

Similar to the despair people feel when they posit goals and fail, the emotional effect dominates, and the rest of the information that could lead to a re-evaluation and suitable re-alignment is denied, which increases the probability of another failure, and when the pattern repeats itself over and over, they consider failure to be an inescapable and inevitable fact for every and any attempt toward a goal.

Anyhow, if one lives under particularly deep emotional despair brought about by failures and what not, of-course, the lifestyles that spring may take on a self-destructive turn, toward death. The idea of early death strengthens and becomes more and more of a reality, destroying and repressing the passions and drives.
 

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I have been getting this feeling more and more that I am going to die a young man. It is not one of outright fear but more of a feeling that has just latched on to me. I just don't think I was made of the right ingredients to reach the age of grey hair. Anyone else get these strong sensations that they are going to die young?

Yup.
 

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hmmm.... You perceive this as getting a feeling for no reason whereas there is a reason, just a bit of a deeper one. Do you fear death or old age, and why? The conventional answer to why is that one fears death because they want to achieve more. In an INTP, this would probably take a more disembodied, unrecognizable form. Maybe something to think about.
 

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I used to feel that occasionally when I was younger. It wasn't a sad or scary thought, it was more similar to thinking "someday I'll take up tennis". Like it would just happen that I died young. Thesedays I'm more prone to feeling like I've lived for 80 years and am ready to die as I've lived long enough...kinda. Well, guess I wouldn't feel that way if I was actually dying..
 

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I'm a bit busy right now but will respond to some of these in the morning.
 

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Yep, always felt I'd die young, even if I didn't think it. Just a feeling since I was a kid. Sometimes felt like a premonition ("there's no way this isn't true), sometimes like just a feeling. Feels like I don't have what it takes in my 'life potential' (if that makes sense) to become old. I hope this isn't true. Also, I've generally never been afraid of death.

Maybe it's just that we feel young internally, and can't imagine being in an old body.
 
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