Understanding MBTI and becoming less misanthropic

[INeedToPee]

not sure if this is the right subforum for this thread but ill just post it here for now.

is it just me or has reading about and understanding MBTI led to a more openminded view about people? i think it has lessened my misanthropic views of the world. i used to be so confused and frustrated as to why people don't see/act logically. i understood it as people being stupid and/or ignorant. nowadays, i see it as "people have different motivations because of personality type and it's inherent, can't really change it". Fe-doms will usually follow the trends, and i can understand why they do now. i dont get frustrated when people make illogical judgements and choices anymore. it's as if understanding their personal motivations is enough for me. maybe because now that my Ti has helped me understand, i dont use Fe to rant about the stupid trends in the world out of frustration. im not sure if it is mere coincidence that i learned about MBTI and ditched my misanthropic views at the same time, or if there is a cause-effect relationship there.


what are your thoughts on this? does this hold true to any of you?

i just read this over and this will probably be confusing to people

 

[own8ge]

A matter of cause-effect indeed.
I've noticed similar changes in world view.

However my open mindedness is not often shared with fellow T types. What I mean with this is that when I'm having a discussion with a fellow T type, they most often are to close minded to see the words I use as just words. Being incapable to assume as right, that of which is considered wrong, misunderstood or unknown.

Oh, and your post isn't confusing at all. At least not for me.
We should have sex.

 

[MsAnthropy_Indefatigably]

I don't really understand when people in here break down the types and talk about Fe types vs. T or what type is expressing what when.... I am interested to pick up a book that goes into that detail with some more understanding, but to answer your question, even after learning about the different types, I still tend to dislike others. And not in an active, hateful way (despite my name), But just in an "I don't really care to learn who you are" type of way.
I am not friends with anyone I work with outside of work, but if you ask the patients, they all love me. I think because I don't treat them rudely or as if their mental illness means they are of low intelligence (I work in Mental Health). And I find it amusing people "love" me, when all I do is treat people with respect where applicable. I'm not pushy, assertive, overbearing or manipulative and I think that's something a lot of people appreciate, is all.
Anyhoo, point is, I only tolerate people for fleeting moments (i.e. seeing my patients for 5 minutes each or passing by/ through large crowds or speaking to someone in customer service). CLOSE friends and family I have a little more tolerance of. I don't have a hoard of BFF's, Friends, acquaintances and others...

 

[viche]

I think it's an innate predisposition. Some people learn MBTI along with its numerous stereotypes and implement it to justify their ideas and positions and further feed their arrogance. You have used it to expand your awareness and knowledge of how this world works, congrats!

 

[Silphiums]

what are your thoughts on this? does this hold true to any of you?

Definitely holds true for me as well.

Now I'm at the point, however, where, okay I get how people have tendencies towards analyzing input in different ways through different means... but how much of someone's asinine behavior is attributed to their predispositions, and how much of it is because they really are an ass?

Where does a little maturity and personal responsibility to 'grow up' and get over themselves still come into play... does it? Oy.

 

[skip]

is it just me or has reading about and understanding MBTI led to a more openminded view about people?

Yes, absolutely. It's a shame it doesn't go both ways. Since we're in the minority we really need more of them to be more aware about us than the other way around.

I am interested to pick up a book that goes into that detail with some more understanding,

Check out Tony Alessandra's book, The Platinum Rule.

 

[Hadoblado]

Definitely holds true for me as well.

Now I'm at the point, however, where, okay I get how people have tendencies towards analyzing input in different ways through different means... but how much of someone's asinine behavior is attributed to their predispositions, and how much of it is because they really are an ass?

Where does a little maturity and personal responsibility to 'grow up' and get over themselves still come into play... does it? Oy.

How is 'being an ass' not a predisposition? It may not be entirely covered by the MBTI, but surely any person's manner is the product of their innate predispositions, and the environment with which they interact; be that a state of asshattery or otherwise.

I agree with OP, and it seems to hold true for me.

 

[INeedToPee]

A matter of cause-effect indeed.
I've noticed similar changes in world view.

However my open mindedness is not often shared with fellow T types. What I mean with this is that when I'm having a discussion with a fellow T type, they most often are to close minded to see the words I use as just words. Being incapable to assume as right, that of which is considered wrong, misunderstood or unknown.

Oh, and your post isn't confusing at all. At least not for me.
We should have sex.

haha whats your a/s/l?
hmm thats interesting...maybe that's why my close friends are usually xNFx...

I don't really understand when people in here break down the types and talk about Fe types vs. T or what type is expressing what when.... I am interested to pick up a book that goes into that detail with some more understanding, but to answer your question, even after learning about the different types, I still tend to dislike others. And not in an active, hateful way (despite my name), But just in an "I don't really care to learn who you are" type of way.
I am not friends with anyone I work with outside of work, but if you ask the patients, they all love me. I think because I don't treat them rudely or as if their mental illness means they are of low intelligence (I work in Mental Health). And I find it amusing people "love" me, when all I do is treat people with respect where applicable. I'm not pushy, assertive, overbearing or manipulative and I think that's something a lot of people appreciate, is all.
Anyhoo, point is, I only tolerate people for fleeting moments (i.e. seeing my patients for 5 minutes each or passing by/ through large crowds or speaking to someone in customer service). CLOSE friends and family I have a little more tolerance of. I don't have a hoard of BFF's, Friends, acquaintances and others...

i can relate to this. people like that im open and accepting, not easily frustrated.
and that "dislike" of types is still there, but i give everyone a chance, regardless of type (if im approached, at least)

I think it's an innate predisposition. Some people learn MBTI along with its numerous stereotypes and implement it to justify their ideas and positions and further feed their arrogance. You have used it to expand your awareness and knowledge of how this world works, congrats!

actually, it has worked both ways. seems contradictory but i think it has fed my arrogance somewhat...

Definitely holds true for me as well.

Now I'm at the point, however, where, okay I get how people have tendencies towards analyzing input in different ways through different means... but how much of someone's asinine behavior is attributed to their predispositions, and how much of it is because they really are an ass?

Where does a little maturity and personal responsibility to 'grow up' and get over themselves still come into play... does it? Oy.

good point. with these types of people, i just dismiss them and their judgements for the most part, and in terms of MBTI i figure out their type and think of why they end up being the asses that they are. MBTI doesn't determine your endpoint , but it sways the direction you take to get to that endpoint (resulting in the "ass" that you see in the present). for me, that understanding is enough and i just leave those people alone.

Yes, absolutely. It's a shame it doesn't go both ways. Since we're in the minority we really need more of them to be more aware about us than the other way around.



Check out Tony Alessandra's book, The Platinum Rule.

true, its a sucky coincidence. i was just trying to explain mbti to my two friends but one dismissed it and said "i dont need this" and the other takes interest in it but i suspect its her Fe (ESFJ) making and confirming judgements about people. INTPs are probably the most likely to be interested in the workings of the inner psyche rather than just trying to find useful applications for it (warning: this is me stereotyping)

How is 'being an ass' not a predisposition? It may not be entirely covered by the MBTI, but surely any person's manner is the product of their innate predispositions, and the environment with which they interact; be that a state of asshattery or otherwise.

I agree with OP, and it seems to hold true for me.

thats the reason why i just "leave them be", because i believe these things are innate, and they are really a product of their innate personalities reacting with the environment. i guess since i dont see it as "their fault" that theyre asses, i just leave them be.

 

[snafupants]

The MBTI heuristic has certainly increased my interest in other people. I'm rereading King's It right now and I can't resist slapping labels onto the characters. That might sound categorizing and dismissive but I really feel I understand people, fictional or otherwise, more deeply now. It's (haha) added another layer to how I process people, eras, movements, and things.

Application of MBTI also seems to lubricate interpersonal dynamics because you more fully understand where the other bloke is coming from. I guess typology can decrease baseless prejudice as well. It's like xenophobia in that hating or castigating is easier when the enemy is this faceless Other. But yeah, the MBTI can certainly hasten personal development by clueing you into your weaknesses. Sometimes I can't unsee MBTI stuff, though, which could potentially be limiting.

Edit: I wrangled this paragraph from Personality Junkie...about five hours after originally posting.

Not only might typology help us distinguish objective truth from subjective bias, but it can also aid and expedite our quest for self-knowledge and personal direction. We might think of typology as a sort of roadmap for understanding ourselves and the roles we might play in society. It provides a rationale for why it is unnecessary and even unhealthy for us to assume roles that are ill-suited for our personality type (1). In short, typology can serve as a useful tool for those seeking a clearer understanding of the world, of themselves, and of their potential role in the world.

 

[own8ge]

haha whats your a/s/l?

I was interested in knowing more about that stuff, but yeah "that stuff" is all I know -> Never seen threads or sites about it.

It would be lovely if you could refer me to some site's or threads (or just say what to Google). Doing just that, would be very appreciated.

 

[INeedToPee]

The MBTI heuristic has certainly increased my interest in other people. I'm rereading King's It right now and I can't resist slapping labels onto the characters. That might sound categorizing and dismissive but I really feel I understand people, fictional or otherwise, more deeply now. It's (haha) added another layer to how I process people, eras, movements, and things.

Application of MBTI also seems to lubricate interpersonal dynamics because you more fully understand where the other bloke is coming from. I guess typology can decrease baseless prejudice as well. It's like xenophobia in that hating or castigating is easier when the enemy is this faceless Other. But yeah, the MBTI can certainly hasten personal development by clueing you into your weaknesses. Sometimes I can't unsee MBTI stuff, though, which could potentially be limiting.

Edit: I wrangled this paragraph from Personality Junkie...about five hours after originally posting.

doesn't sound dismissive, i do it all the time. i try to figure out everyone's type all the time and as long as you don't automatically assume they fall into the type's stereotypes, its not dismissive imo. and i totally agree with the part about how it lubricates interpersonal dynamics. As an Fe user, i always try to keep all parties happy (even before my interest in typology). now, with this new knowledge, i can cater to peoples feelings more effectively because i have that understanding of what makes certain people "tick".

I was interested in knowing more about that stuff, but yeah "that stuff" is all I know -> Never seen threads or sites about it.

It would be lovely if you could refer me to some site's or threads (or just say what to Google). Doing just that, would be very appreciated.

what do you mean by "that stuff"? like interpersonal relations and MBTI?

 

[own8ge]

what do you mean by "that stuff"? like interpersonal relations and MBTI?

That stuff as w/e you were relating to. Interpersonal relations is? a/s/l is?

 

[INeedToPee]

That stuff as w/e you were relating to. Interpersonal relations is? a/s/l is?

LOL that was a joke in reply to "we should have sex" >_>
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=a/s/l
is that what you were asking about?