Thoughts and language

[gladness]

hi, im new to this forum and i thought i would make an account to talk about something thats been on my mind lately

i wanted to post about a thought i had after reading some things about blind people and what "language" they think in, people were saying that they would think in letters, others said that they would think in feelings and emotions, but for the most part almost all the people on that site were talking about the inner voice that they have and that its absurd to think without a form of communicating it to yourself.

i do sometimes use words to describe things to myself but usually my thoughts are consensual, linking concepts that only i can internalize. i feel that if i were to describe every part of the web of ideas my thoughts consist of in the form of English, it would sound schizophrenic and wouldn't make any sense, where as if i can do that part in my head and communicate the full picture, it can sound more believable and structured. i have my own language that is very complicated and messy but its extremely good at what it does. speech or any form of auditory or visual language is easily misinterpreted and unrepresentative of what the person is really thinking.

is this something that is unique to people like me and you? is it part of a condition or am i internalizing the comments on this website wrong?

 

[Black Rose]

i think you have introverted intuition

 

[k9b4]

I think blind people probably think in spoken words.

They would have concepts but they would be in the form of sound, not sight.

A concept is an idea of something that is real. You form concepts through the senses. When you say you have your own language, I think what you mean is that you are thinking in pictures (sight).

Yes, english is not a perfect form of communication. One word can have many meanings. Mathematics is a much more precise language.

Is forming concepts using sight unique to a group of people? No, that's retarded. Of course, some people are better at this than others.

 

[Anktark]

i do sometimes use words to describe things to myself but usually my thoughts are consensual, linking concepts that only i can internalize.

Consensual with whom? Each other? The "linking concepts that only i can internalize" part of the sentence can be interpreted in more than two ways. Some of them make no sense to me.

i have my own language that is very complicated and messy but its extremely good at what it does.

Unless you can compare your "own language" for expressing thoughts internally, you can't know whether it's very good or bad at what it does. Basically, you just said you are good at understanding your own thoughts. Which, while a nice ability to have, is not uncommon or so it seems to me.


From what I understood, this image seems appropriate:

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[gladness]

im not sure if im writing this in the right place but this is a reply to Anktark.

when i was talking about my language i wasn't saying it was extremely good in comparison to others i just said its really effective regardless of who you are, just only on a personal level.
once you try and communicate it to someone else it becomes blurred if you know what i mean.

as for when i said consensual i think i misused the word and i had a different idea of what it meant, all i was implying is that my thoughts sometimes are just thoughts, not attached to any senses, almost like an emotion or feeling. they can oftern tie into small visual images i have linked to things overtime, (like how i think of a bouncy castle when someone mentions parties or festivals) but most of the time concepts are only remembered as part of other concepts if you know what i mean.

the picture is accurate, but the shapes and lines don't represent sound or visual images, they are mostly just concepts, but just because they look weird, doesnt mean they dont fit!

 

[JansenDowel]

Ill agree with AnimeKitty, you are probably not an INTP.

As for these ideas, the rest of us have them as well; but we're good a translating them into english.

 

[QuickTwist]

Ni does not = INTP.

 

[nanook]

the part of the brain that processes spatially and processes visual intelligence is inspired by body movements and must be perfectly functional in blind people. therefore blind people are not lacking a visual world, they only lack color. in fact i imagine their visual world is much more conscious than our visual world, because they do rely entirely on imagination and memory of imagination to dream it up and so they don't have that split between inside and outside, that makes us go black, when we close our eyes, meaning that many of us, not all of us, fall out of visual spatial processing and enter a focus on language, when the eyes are not stimulated with light. our visual imagination is so weak, that it doesn't hold surprises for us, when the light is gone. even though we still have rudimentary visualisation of our body. we know exactly where our feet are, in complete darkness. our ability to memorize imagination and build a world from it is also untrained. spending some days in the dark would help with that, or so i have heard.

i'm not aware of how letters might play a role in my thinking. but blind people could learn to see letters through their fingers and to associate them with sounds, this is how they should be able to write as well. can they write? i think they can learn it.

isn't it more interesting to think how deaf people are thinking?

i don't see reason to think that you, gladness, could not be intp.