The inner world is the important one

[J-man]

I think that my inner world is more important to me than the outer world. I can let just about anything slide in the outer world. I can go a week without showering, my bedroom can be a dump, I'll let relationships die... None of it really phases me. I have no problem, no shame being "human scum" or whatever people might call me. If it can be put off, it will be put off.

But when it comes to the inner world, I've got to be constantly honing my understanding of myself and the world. I need constant feedback telling me that I can trust my judgement, like a baby needing to stay in contact with its mother's breast.

I have the sense that I'm preparing to rejoin the world one day. I read that concept in an enneagram 5 description. It must be a tragedy to live this way, but I don't feel it. Should I care? I feel like I'm supposed to care.

Join the club, right? It just... sucks. Maybe this is just who I am. I am a mess of a person. That's a relief, actually.

 

[8151147]

Pretty normal to most INTPs. However if you not being sane, you being obsessed instead, you will have hard time. Remember you need to be in safe first: having a job, a home, maybe a family, hobbies and an anchor to live and fight. Basically don't be an aimless man.

 

[Rualani]

I think a certain degree of stability is necessary for the inner world. When there was no stability I just steeled myself against the world constantly, and that can be draining. It also blocks growth, and makes it more difficult to move into a situation where there is more stability. It produces... it's own insanity. I've been aimless up until the beginning of this year, when I went back into school. I really don't see how I could have done it earlier, though, as the people I lived with just drained the crap out of me. Only reason I probably back in college is due to moving in with a group of married NFs for a couple of years. I've butted heads with the ENFP a few times, but I've only ever seen eye to eye with the ENFJ, except on his obsessive windows bashing once. I really felt like it was more nuanced than that. Ugh, the passive aggressiveness.

 

[8151147]

I've only ever seen eye to eye with the ENFJ, except on his obsessive windows bashing once. I really felt like it was more nuanced than that. Ugh, the passive aggressiveness.

Don't be revealed by an ENFJ dude. Just don't. Try to hide and dim in the background instead, stay away from ENFJs.

 

[Architect]

Pretty normal to most INTPs.

Normal for introverts. If it wasn't, they'd be an extravert.

 

[8151147]

Normal for introverts. If it wasn't, they'd be an extravert.

According to these phrases:

I can go a week without showering, my bedroom can be a dump, I'll let relationships die... None of it really phases me. I have no problem, no shame being "human scum" or whatever people might call me.

It's not other types but only INTP. Even INTJs want a stability relationship and they will put effort on it to develop and maintain. INTPs are the only ones who can live without showering, sleeping, eating... for 1-7 days depend on basic life activities since they used to live without be aware the environment in their early life.

 

[Torojan]

According to these phrases:


It's not other types but only INTP. Even INTJs want a stability relationship and they will put effort on it to develop and maintain. INTJs are the only ones who can live without showering, sleeping, eating... for 1-7 days depend on basic life activities since they used to live without be aware the environment in their early life.

You meant P, right?

 

[8151147]

yeah mistyping

 

[DelusiveNinja]

INTPs are the only ones who can live without showering, sleeping, eating... for 1-7 days depend on basic life activities since they used to live without be aware the environment in their early life.

...And therefore "INTPs" are the only ones capable of getting depressed, becoming sleep deprived, smelling like shit, and fasting for a week. Really?



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[Jennywocky]

...And therefore "INTPs" are the only ones capable of getting depressed, becoming sleep deprived, smelling like shit, and fasting for a week. Really?

...Well, only the ones who are overachievers.

 

[Analyzer]

According to these phrases:
It's not other types but only INTP. Even INTJs want a stability relationship and they will put effort on it to develop and maintain. INTPs are the only ones who can live without showering, sleeping, eating... for 1-7 days depend on basic life activities since they used to live without be aware the environment in their early life.

I would say INFP's can fall in this as well. ISJ's and ISP's are more grounded in the present and INJ's while Ni dom, they insist on a somewhat ordered external. But these things could happen to ESTJ's.

Developing Si I think is key here, to be aware of these cycles. Totally putting off the outer world eventually brings disorder to my internal so I try to minimize the external. If you want to focus on your internal world in society you need to make some adjustments. The consequence of purposeful laziness(toward outside) is minimalism.

 

[DelusiveNinja]

...Well, only the ones who are overachievers.

That's incredible!


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[8151147]

I would say INFP's can fall in this as well. ISJ's and ISP's are more grounded in the present and INJ's while Ni dom, they insist on a somewhat ordered external. But these things could happen to ESTJ's.

INFPs are lack of awareness too, but not really hardcore as INTPs because they are F people.

I remember when I was depressed years ago, my "guiness" record is playing some weirdshit RPG ASCII games written by some weird guys from some weird sites without eating for 2 straight days, showering for above 1 week and sleeping for 1,5 day. And I didn't live alone, I live in college department with a big room 12 people. Some of them see me like an alien from Mars and some were like get used to it and "sigh". My mind was like "please god kill me I don't want to live anymore". The feeling from starving is really something... good and high like LSD. However after the depression I feel a lot better and learn a lot from it....

 

[Doktorin Zylinder]

I remember when I was in university, I would stay up for days and not eat or shower because I was reading my textbooks and other things. I seldom went to lectures and a lot of the professors hated me, but someone came looking for me one day because I had apparently not been seen in over a week. I thought only a two days had passed until I counted how many times I fed my cats. I try not to get so engrossed in things, now, since I have responsibilities. I will read books for hours one end until a cat decides to sit on it to get my attention. Knowing that I have some issues regarding executive functioning, I have my computer and phone set with timers and reminders to help me stay on track for making tea, dinner, appointments, meetings, et cetera.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Normal for introverts. If it wasn't, they'd be an extravert.

if you gotta type it, NP is closer to the mark

good luck finding an ISxJ who not only completely neglects everyday environment, order, prestige, formalities, rituals and interpersonal relationships - but also deeply feels this neglect to be justified, even the right true way of life.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

During my life I've come to a different conclusion.

It is a wasted effort to draw lines between the external and internal. It can be thought of as a bedrock that is inevitably shaped by the current. Given enough information one way, some of it leaks through and becomes part of our being, our only conscious role is to be aware of what we let in and what is better kept out and even this is not failsafe.

I think from now on I will be standing on the crossroads with whether it would better to rid myself of any leftover idealistic fantasies that I desire to cling to, such as my perception of facing the pain associated with any challenge and the self-affirmation derived from it, which essentially is my personal way of having a say amongst the forces governing the reality by directly controlling the puppet of my body, or accepting the situation where my mind can blend into any kind of environment I happen to find mentally residing.

In the end any value is biased, the desire for intellectual prowess, holiness or vast knowledge is as biased as another's drive to amass material possessions. No comparative superiority of being or intent that isn't purely evolutionary or aesthetic can be claimed and any displays of such are ways the feeble mind finds biochemical stability by recognising the artificial hierarchy of constructs consisting of information.

As it is now, I find it romantically futile to believe what I believe and do what I do insofar that it powers my every action, but it does and so I will continue the wasted effort so long it has any steam left.

 

[onesteptwostep]

I think that my inner world is more important to me than the outer world. I can let just about anything slide in the outer world. I can go a week without showering, my bedroom can be a dump, I'll let relationships die... None of it really phases me. I have no problem, no shame being "human scum" or whatever people might call me. If it can be put off, it will be put off.

But when it comes to the inner world, I've got to be constantly honing my understanding of myself and the world. I need constant feedback telling me that I can trust my judgement, like a baby needing to stay in contact with its mother's breast.

I have the sense that I'm preparing to rejoin the world one day. I read that concept in an enneagram 5 description. It must be a tragedy to live this way, but I don't feel it. Should I care? I feel like I'm supposed to care.

Join the club, right? It just... sucks. Maybe this is just who I am. I am a mess of a person. That's a relief, actually.

I think I know what you mean. But watch what you say 'cause they'll be trying to knock you down in some way.

Sometimes it feels like the world is falling asleep... how do you wake someone up from inside a dream?

 

[StevenM]

I've told my ENFJ friend awhile ago,
"I haven't been out at all lately. Again, I've been isolated myself almost completely from the outside world, and I feel not a twidge of care about it. Not even an inch of loneliness. I'm not sure if I should be worried".

It's become a bad disordered habit to just let myself fall into the depth of a thought, even amongst the public. I'm just...gone.

Sometimes, I get people disturbing me from my wakeful slumber by asking me if I'm okay. I have always responded cheerfully, that I'm perfectly fine. I can't keep it up for long though before I slide down the rabbit hole again, sinking deeper into my mind.

People just walk away slightly bemused and feeling awkward.

Though a select few will see someone quite different - an enduring life of energy and expression.

 

[TheManBeyond]

life happens outside your confort zone, leave the Si womb and join the objective nonsense.