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The recent thread on N/S has me thinking about the advantages of each type.

I have concluded the following unifying principle:

N types place importance on strategy. They find their strength in the face of uncertainty.
S types focus on tactics. They are strongest in times of certainty.

N-types will have less sophisticated/efficient tactics but will be more resolute and efficient with their grand strategy.
Similarly, S-types will have superior tactics (more efficient and devastating, goal-oriented) but will have a weaker grand strategy.


Wikipedia <Military_tactics>:
In common vernacular, "tactical" decisions are those made to achieve greatest immediate value and "strategic" decisions are those made to achieve the greatest overall value irrespective of immediate return.

Strategy: a pattern in a stream of decisions, shaping the future

In a military context:

N-types are required for strategic planning: the kind of long-range thought that considers multiple angles and scenarios and probabilities, as well as resources, human considerations, time constraints, costs, political goals, morality.
A strategy is nothing without implementation, however, and all good strategies have a tactical/implementation protocol.

Tactics require no attention to things like human concerns, ethics, or long-range conservation/distribution of resources. Tactical implementation requires efficient use of the resources that have been supplied by the strategist. Tactical implementation is focused on specific objectives with specific time-frames and resource-allocations.
 

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I have been wondering about the difference of Strategy and Tactics

Tactics:
Definition of TACTICS

1
a : the science and art of disposing and maneuvering forces in combat
b : the art or skill of employing available means to accomplish an end

2
: a system or mode of procedure
Etymology
1620s, "science of arranging military forces for combat," from Modern Latin tactica (17c.), from Greek taktike techne "art of arrangement," noun use of fem. of taktikos "of or pertaining to arrangement," especially "tactics in war," adjective to taxis "arrangement, an arranging, the order or disposition of an army, battle array; order, regularity," verbal noun of tassein "arrange," from PIE root *tag- "to set aright, set in order" (see tangent).
Strategy:
a (1) : the science and art of employing the political, economic, psychological, and military forces of a nation or group of nations to afford the maximum support to adopted policies in peace or war (2) : the science and art of military command exercised to meet the enemy in combat under advantageous conditions
b : a variety of or instance of the use of strategy
2
a : a careful plan or method : a clever stratagem
b : the art of devising or employing plans or stratagems toward a goal
Etymology
1810, "art of a general," from French stratégie (18c.) and directly from Greek strategia "office or command of a general," from strategos "general, commander of an army," also the title of various civil officials and magistrates, from stratos "multitude, army, expedition, encamped army," literally "that which is spread out" (see structure (n.)) + agos "leader," from agein "to lead" (see act (n.)). In non-military use from 1887.
Tactics is sometimes used as a synonym to strategy. Tactic also is used to mean an order of something, a plan of something, an art of achieving something. I have also seen tactics used to be focused on the grand scheme, while strategies were employed for minor objectives.

Using your definitions and your idea I understand what you mean with this, small and large scale.

I would disagree that tactics don't focus on human concerns (see morale), ethics (see conventions of war, see morale), long-range conservation (see winning or achieving with least sacrifice and effort, achieving efficiently)

Your tactics can include all these minor objectives as a part of the battle plan. I would also say that a good tactician, would do this, regardless whether this was the last battle, he would strive to win or realise his plan as efficiently as possible, including and considering everything that is relevant.

A good tactician is both STP/NTJ, while a good Strategist is both NTP/STJ, with a minor dominance of S or N respectively.

Also the P/J is important to consider, while a Tactician can use J, there is also a need for information and consideration to the incoming. There is a perfect point at which further information is less and less relevant to the decision making and prolonged decision making is more and more detrimental to the outcome.
 

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can't say i identify with either of them

is there some third thing?
 

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I have been wondering about the difference of Strategy and Tactics

Tactics is sometimes used incorrectly, as a synonym to strategy and vice versa. Tactic also is used to mean an order of something, a plan of something, an art of achieving something. I have also seen tactics used to be focused on the grand scheme, while strategies were employed for minor objectives.

While I don't dispute that tactics involve planning, goals, objectives ... they are not long range. This again falls under strategic.

Efficient tactics require leadership and a broad margin of adaptivity. Efficient tactics are ideally almost perfect 'real world' implementations of a strategy. This is why there is much leeway in tactical reasoning, it is a requirement to leave room for adaptivity. However, inefficient tactics that are single-minded, things which seem like a good idea at the time, can often undermine a strategy and cause serious detriment (not sure if you watch Game of Thrones). The point I'm trying to make with that last statement is that tactics require a simple objective that is determined by the strategy. Efficient tactics still optimize resource usage but the resources are already allocated or else they're available in the immediate environment. Either way, it does not involve distributing the entire resource pool available for the main objective of the war. That is for the strategist.

I think you're taking the standpoint that they're too similar to be differentiated like this? I should not say more until you clarify this.

Another definition I came across was that tactics are open to change/adaptive based on actual conditions, whereas strategies are much more resistant to change/indifferent to environmental conditions. This seems like repressed S.

After considering the issue at no great length, I think that it's safe to say that tactical reasoning of the highest efficiency probably goes strictly to SP (and maybe NP) types with NJ types falling way behind. The assumption here is that one must be a P, basically. Although I am a little reluctant to state with certainty that NP has any real tactical strength at this time... overall it seems like a weak interpretation. I'm not going to consider it again without an enhancement.


I would disagree that tactics don't focus on human concerns (see morale), ethics (see conventions of war, see morale), long-range conservation (see winning or achieving with least sacrifice and effort, achieving efficiently)

Your tactics can include all these minor objectives as a part of the battle plan. I would also say that a good tactician, would do this, regardless whether this was the last battle, he would strive to win or realise his plan as efficiently as possible, including and considering everything that is relevant.


I would say efficient tactics address the needs of the moment above all else. Once a battlefield commander or any NCO begins to think about the ethics of an order or objective they are failing at their role as tactical implementation. However, an efficient strategist must consider everything (including his commanders' opinions) and not put himself in a position where he would be undermined.

A good tactician is both STP/NTJ, while a good Strategist is both NTP/STJ, with a minor dominance of S or N respectively.

Also the P/J is important to consider, while a Tactician can use J, there is also a need for information and consideration to the incoming. There is a perfect point at which further information is less and less relevant to the decision making and prolonged decision making is more and more detrimental to the outcome.

Initially I meant to compare it to Kiersey's line of thinking that N/S is the biggest or most important distinction (after I/E) between temperaments.

So I believe I first set out to demonstrate that SJ and SP types are superior tacticians and NJ and NP are superior strategists, while each naturally has inferior ability with the other type of reasoning.

Furthermore, although I argue S types are naturally superior tacticians, it is less important whether one is an F or T; it has less effect on the overall efficiency of tactical implementation, but it is more important to distinguish between SP and SJ types as each will have a very different tactical approach.

Same goes for NT/NF I suppose. Here the T/F distinction makes a bigger impact on the nature of the strategy than J/P.

Can't say I'm ready to abandon it just yet.

If you want me to conjure up some archetypes as an example:

The NT strategist -
Here is somebody who is unwavering, cunning, in-control, efficient and calculating. Strategies will not put any major emphasis on the human aspect, for good or for bad, it will be a mere consequence. All moves are decisive moves towards the main objective.

The NF strategist -
This strategist does emphasize the human component, again, for good or for bad. Strategic moves will still be decisive gains toward the main objective however ethics and morality is at the forefront of decisive planning.

The SJ tactician - This tactician is probably going to most resemble a strategist. The reason for this is they will be more inclined to compare their current environment with their subjective sensations to create a plan, particularly something that has worked in the past or specifically something to address the mistakes. Although it might resemble a strategy, the key distinction is that they are still addressing the needs of the moment, their current environment. Thus, they fall into the role of tactician.

The SP tactician - Here is somebody who is going to be quick and decisive in a fast paced environment. This type of tactician is extremely clever and resourceful and will make use of his resources in a most efficient manner. Actively represses intuition and focuses energy on the task at hand.

Both types of tacticians can be counted on to devise their own methods of achieving an objective, in fact they will prefer it, and it is a very complementary style as a strategy often avoids any sort of details with regards to tactical implementation unless it affects something larger and more resounding, probably because they have inferior tactical ability.

can't say i identify with either of them

is there some third thing?

Yes, it's called neutral observer, dominant Ti, INTP. It goes by many names, and faces. I suppose tactical and strategic thinking both presuppose a certain degree of participation which you may just be disinclined toward.

I'm talking a little bit more about the ways people try to achieve objectives. This presupposes 1. an objective, and 2. active attempts to achieve the objective.

There is always the 'some third thing' where one actively attempts to achieve nothing/has an objective but passively attempts to achieve it/doesn't attempt anything\has no objective/ << all have been ruled out.
 

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I disagree with your connection to the leader position.

Tactician or a Strategist is not a leader and will not be able, in most cases, to efficiently convey his ideas and orders onto soldiers, he needs leaders, that are Fe, or Te/Fe users mostly in this case.

Any NF strategist/tactician will be inferior, or similar, to its "equal in strenght/education/experience" NT counterpart. Overly focusing on any aspect, as well as, not focusing on everything is a possible loss of relevant information and quality of the decision.

Tactics is sometimes used incorrectly, as a synonym to strategy and vice versa.
I wouldn't say that words are used incorrectly if the right context is understood. I don't want to discuss one of many definitions of either of these words, it is pointless, I will use your definition. Explaining why something is tactical and the other thing is not has little meaning. I have come across definitions that show strategy and tactics as interchangeable, while you can interpret it as you wish, I think that it is boring to compare and discuss definitions.

After considering the issue at no great length, I think that it's safe to say that tactical reasoning of the highest efficiency probably goes strictly to SP (and maybe NP) types with NJ types falling way behind. The assumption here is that one must be a P, basically. Although I am a little reluctant to state with certainty that NP has any real tactical strength at this time... overall it seems like a weak interpretation. I'm not going to consider it again without an enhancement.
Where would be your explanation for this?
As I have stated, I don't believe that F types would be any good in the implementation (when you compare them to equal T types). They would be excellent in leading and inspiring/projecting. They would even be able to inspire and empower said strategists and tacticians.
I would say efficient tactics address the needs of the moment above all else. Once a battlefield commander or any NCO begins to think about the ethics of an order or objective they are failing at their role as tactical implementation. However, an efficient strategist must consider everything (including his commanders' opinions) and not put himself in a position where he would be undermined.
You misunderstood. I stated, that a good tactic has to consider that its orders should not be unethical or immoral for the right groups to carry them out. Certain orders for the certain soldiers. Morale also is a factor during the operation and not afterwards and changes during the scenario. Also supplies and resources are often allocated mid-combat to feed soldiers, treat wounded, etc.

FP types and FJ types, while can come up with a great tactics, it is much more probable and common for TP and TJ types to provide this.

So unless you mean that tactics is only the implementation of something, then only Leaders are needed. While I would argue that tactics involves devising the implementation of a part of the strategy, or a single objective of such strategy, that wouldn't be a job for non-thinkers.
 

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Interesting thread, I basically agree with what you're saying though I can't come up with anything to add really. Keirsey thread comes to mind reading your last post.
 

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"No plan survives contact with the enemy." Helmuth von Moltke

Nuff said Js. :)
 

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"No plan survives contact with the enemy." Helmuth von Moltke

Nuff said Js. :)



If you ever played the game of World in Conflict this is the theme of the multi-player.


It's not a typical build a base and gather sort of ordeal.


You choose one of the four roles: Air, Support, Infantry, Armor.


No plan will ever stay the same for longer than 5 seconds. The battlefield is leveled, the forest is burned, Comic-con shut down. You have to adapt.


And if I do remember reading something Sun Tzu's Art of War. He did mention that your army must be able to flow like water. The water has no definite shape.


When I play strategy games I have a grand strategy. An over all goal. How I get there is unknown to me but I know what I need to do when a certain situation arises.
 

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And if I do remember reading something Sun Tzu's Art of War. He did mention that your army must be able to flow like water. The water has no definite shape.


When I play strategy games I have a grand strategy. An over all goal. How I get there is unknown to me but I know what I need to do when a certain situation arises.

It appears you have a grasp on the concepts.

Strategy and tactics are rarely blurred. Strategy is a stream of decisions that take a certain form / follow a pattern in their structure or create patterns of tactical sequences etc.

Tactics is implementation. "Army must flow like water" is implementation, "Art of war", is strategy. Strategy is the book or the ideology.
 

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If you ever played the game of World in Conflict this is the theme of the multi-player.


It's not a typical build a base and gather sort of ordeal.


You choose one of the four roles: Air, Support, Infantry, Armor.


No plan will ever stay the same for longer than 5 seconds. The battlefield is leveled, the forest is burned, Comic-con shut down. You have to adapt.


And if I do remember reading something Sun Tzu's Art of War. He did mention that your army must be able to flow like water. The water has no definite shape.


When I play strategy games I have a grand strategy. An over all goal. How I get there is unknown to me but I know what I need to do when a certain situation arises.

you just have a general idea of what to do and work your way up.
 
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