Relation between Jung and Freud ’Unification theory of classic psychology’

[jeppedermann]

I have found that there are a direct relation between Jungian typology and Freudian psychosexual development. It appears that Jung and Freud were typing people according to the exact same categories.

I have been verifying this relation for about a year now, and it all just fits in I believe.

It appears that each MBTI-type correspond to four of the psychosexual roles of psychosexual development. Not only one role as some might believe.

Every Jungian function corresponds to a Freudian ‘stage’ - Or ‘problematic’ to be more exact. Since there are four, not three.

The direction of a function decides whether it corresponds with the progressive or regressive role of the ‘stage’/’problematic’

The ‘Unification theory’ is available on my web-site:

http://www.jeppegj.dk/

Self-structure and roles of the MBTI types:

http://www.jeppegj.dk/MBTI_ego_structure.htm

Regards Jeppe G. Jensen

 

[Decaf]

That supposed relationship is also one of the reasons why Jung and Freud grew apart. In the end they believed fundamentally different things.

 

[fullerene]

haha... coincidentally we actually went through a (very) brief history of psychology in Philosophy, today, and the prof actually went out of his way to overemphasize that Freud had next to no influence on the field of psychology at all. In reality I have no clue, though... I don't know enough about either of them or the field of psychology to really comment. Sorry

 

[Decaf]

haha... coincidentally we actually went through a (very) brief history of psychology in Philosophy, today, and the prof actually went out of his way to overemphasize that Freud had next to no influence on the field of psychology at all. In reality I have no clue, though... I don't know enough about either of them or the field of psychology to really comment. Sorry

From my limited knowledge of the history of Psychology I would agree that he has not influence on modern psychology, but I believe he did for a while. Back to Wikipedia...

 

[fullerene]

mm... if it helps, he did say he had a lot of influence in both pop culture and medicine... like psychiatry and stuff. He said that everything Freud said that now gets attributed to him and turned out to be accurate or helpful, though, was said by people many years before he was ever born.

 

[Decaf]

Well, I'm not a fan of Freud, so I find that idea to be attractive in a twisted sort of way. I have no idea if its true, but it sounds right.

 

[wadlez]

Freud made a massive influence on psychology. The ego and the unconcious were his concepts. All of carl jungs theories work from the basis of lots of freuds work. His insight techniques, transferrance, he was a pioneer in psychology.

 

[Decaf]

Freud made a massive influence on psychology. The ego and the unconcious were his concepts. All of carl jungs theories work from the basis of lots of freuds work. His insight techniques, transferrance, he was a pioneer in psychology.

The concepts of the ego and the unconscious were developed between the two (and others) during the time that they corresponded. If that is the time when it can first be thought to have developed, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was only Freud's work. To suggest otherwise is acceptable as I wasn't there, but to suggest all of Jung's work was based on Freud's, I have to draw issue.

 

[NoID10ts]

Haven't we covered this whole Jung and Freud thing in the Pness thread? We have a perfect balance of the two in the concept of the INTPness.

Pfft, And you guys thought it didn't have serious merit.

 

[INTPINFP]

What a load of crap.

 

[grey matters]

When I was a psychology student I had to study Freud. Today most people think his theories are a bit outdated (thankfully) and don't take him seriously.

 

[krisa]

but, what is wrong with freud? i like his theories, many of them ARE true..

 

[grey matters]

Freud noticed a lot of facts that we now know to be true. It's his interpretation of those facts that I have issue with. In general, he saw maladaptive behavior and developed a bullshit theory to explain the cause of the behavior.

Because Freud noticed some things that turned out to be facts he was, in his time, considered to be a genius. I was told, but cant verify, that in Freuds time no one had explained the cause of maladaptive behavior in terms of any scientific theory. Causal relationships were left to religion, and sometimes philosophy. Because Freud tried to use science to explain phenomena instead of religion or philosophy he was a pioneer and thought of as a genious. As I said before, I can not verify this, my historical knowledge is not that good.

Now let me make a disclaimer. Though I said that Psychology is a science, I don't really consider it much of a science. It is too subjective and unprovable. Some people don't consider it a true science at all. Freud's "scientific" aproach to understanding malidaptive bevior was hardly "science".

 

[Decaf]

Now let me make a disclaimer. Though I said that Psychology is a science, I don't really consider it much of a science. It is too subjective and unprovable.

Both things I hope to change before I die.

 

[grey matters]

Decaf, do you have a plan or is this wishful thinking.

 

[Gorgrim]

I went over this in my head........ subjectiveness / objectiveness. Abstract / Practical.


it was clear that the J types i know are practical people, and the P types are more abstract.

what isnt clear is subjectivity / objectivity.

to start of, i catagorised functions:

thinking as objective/practical.
Feeling Subjective / Abstract

Intuition Abstract / subjective
Sensing Practical / Objective

J practical / objective

P Abstract / Subjective.

The problem is that i'm abstract but im a thinker. So obviously it doesnt work that way. Practical people are J types and Abstract people are P types.

Thus, if i put objectivity and subjectivity together with this, it falls apart because the functions depends on P and J. According to observation.

Unless intuition-sensing, and thinking-feeling. can be both objective and subjective, just as practical and abstract. Depending on the two J/P

Since i believe objectivity belongs with practical and same with abstract subjective. I reckon that P types are subjective thinkers if INTP. and subjective Intuititive if ENTP.

ENTJ practical thinkers, INTJ practical intuitioners. more or less. Objectively minded people.

this brings me to the shadow functions and the inferior / tertiary. that i've not thought of much yet. Im gonna have to stop here for now.

Anyway this was just boiling on my mind throuh the day. And that was kind of what i concluded.... mainly, It was the objectivity / subjectivity terms that i was trying to understand, because they had been confusing to me.


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[Decaf]

Decaf, do you have a plan or is this wishful thinking.

There is often little difference between a life goal and a pipe dream. Picking a good life goal is all about trying to find something to pursue where the entire process is something that carries its own value. I want to learn to be an expert psychologist, study the correlation between neurological behavior and type identification and then propose the idea as a bridge between psychological behavior and biology.

I think experimental evidence would make much more sense if we looked at it with the understanding that personality type provides our current largest source of experimental noise and can be fixed. If we manage that I think psychology might finally be able to draw some conclusions that would be respected by the physical sciences because it would be just that.

 

[Gorgrim]

Psychology needs more work to be an exact science, because living humans are insanely complex processes that evolved through natures wit. But from my point of view it is all based physically and logical. that which is the neurological.

I like your proposed idea, decaf... biology needs to figure out what determines differences in neurologic types, before you can grasp it in the physical sense. But that doesnt mean it doesnt hold water before then. we already know that there are diff types.


about a life goal, i dont know what i wanna do later on. it's bloody hard to figure out. I like physics.

 

[grey matters]

Interesting proposed idea Decaf.

 

[Perseus]

Freud is sort of family orientated and Jung appears to either the older group or younger people like INTPs who did not have a close family life. Freud does not mean much to me.

Transference belongs to both worldviews.

 

[Jesin]

But everyone knows All Psychology Is Freudian!

 

[grey matters]

Freud may have started a few things but we have learned a lot since then. In the same way Darwin started a few theories but we have learned a lot more about evolution since then. old ideas are the nursery for new ideas that, when fully matured, often replace their parents.