More Explicit definitions of Jungian Types

[Black Rose]

From reading posts on INTJf and reading this book: "The Developing Mind, Second Edition: How Relationships and the Brain Interact to Shape Who We Are"

I have tried to define Jungian types by my simple understanding of some Jungian terms. I still don't know much about the unconscious or how type dynamics works but hope additional posters can expand on my current understanding.


Perceiving Types

Empirical Sensing
Deriving concreate representation from the external objects as remembered.
Abstract Sensing
Deriving ideas from internal representations of objects.

Empirical Intuition
Explicit association of concrete representations with external objects.
Abstract Intuition
Implicit association of internal representations with ideas.

Judging Types

Empirical Thinking
Manipulation of representations of external objects
Abstract Thinking
Manipulation of internal representation of ideas

Empirical Feeling
Control of somatic map of the body generated from affect
Abstract Feeling
Control of affect from inducing the somatic map in the body

 

[OmoInisa]

You haven't really given any definitions for these rather generic and ambiguous terms. Aside from the fact that what little meaning one might ascribe to them makes the statements incoherent, the idea of assigning such attributes to 'judgers' and 'perceivers' at large seems incorrect.

What makes a type 'perceiving' is nothing more than the fact that its first extraverted judging function falls outside its dominant function pair. For judgers it lies within. Hence judgers navigate life in a more decisive manner, and perceivers do so in a more exploratory manner.

Only when we talk about 'dominant perceivers' or 'dominant judgers' can we begin to talk about more specific attributes in common such as those you listed above. Assuming they're actually well-defined enough to be meaningful of course.

 

[Black Rose]

Its difficult getting the correct perspective on Jung. Currently on INTJf I have learned that there are four preferences.

(I/E)(P/J)(S/N)(F/T)

Auxiliary is the same as the dominant with regard to (I/E) as Tertiary is the same as Inferior. This is not the same as MBTI XiXe or XeXi. There are not that many pure types and this is where confusion sets in.

Jung thought he was

(I)(J)->((Ti-Ni)<->(Se-Fe))
or
(I)(J)->((Ti-Si)<->(Ne-Fe))

I still need to define my terms but I am much closer to understanding.

The conscious is explicit.
The subconscious is implicit.

Classifying and catigorizing is more S than N?
Introverted feeling is the inner impressions of the object?

So all together they combine for me as four possibilities: Pink is my current choice.

(I)(P)->((Ni-Ti)<->(Fe-Se))
(I)(P)->((Ni-Fi)<->(Te-Se))

(I)(J)->((Ti-Ni)<->(Se-Fe))
(I)(J)->((Fi-Ni)<->(Se-Te))

 

[Black Rose]

If it is the case that I am Interpreting these two function(Te-Ne) together as my possible Orientations correctly and with the Preference of Extraversion then these descriptions are highly valued as contributing to the most accurate description of my psyche.

Extraverted Thinking

The objectivity of knowledge finds here its main support in facts and authorities. The system according to which the extraverted thinker arranges his facts is also held to be objective, although it is accepted as based on the prevailing authoritative views, and is subjected to no critical examination from within. He orders his facts critically and with great care, and herein lies the strength of the individual of this type. On the other hand, his chosen system may be a weak point, since it is often accepted as unquestionable, without the person concerned being himself aware of this. In this ordering of ideas and judgements this fanger may be greater than where facts of sensory perception are concerned, because in the former case there are more likely to be all kinds of subjective and capricious elements in the material itself. There is no doubt that thought can do creative work in its establishment and classification of facts and judgements. In general, one may say, therefore, that this type possesses great receptivity for facts and opinions, but that the formulaes by which he tests these, and according to which he classifies them, are frequently somewhat rigid and limited. It depends also on circumstances, whether the rigid or the receptive side prevails in the development of the type.

Extraverted Intuition

The vision of the extraverted intuitive individual is directed chiefly on to relationships and circumstances in the external world, which are suddenly seen in a certain context, without his being able to work out how he came to it. This knowledge, and the spontaneous activities in which it is expressed, often prove to be absolutely correct and to the point, when checked by later experience. The extraverted intuitive is also readily able to grasp the views of others. Whereas outwardly directed sensation submits to the guidance of material facts, intuition sees in the external world all manner of connections in an original and personal way, and is charged, as it were, with a mission to realize certain possibilities. These relate particularly to personal development and activity, both for the self and for others, and intuition seeks them everywhere, and has a special flair for finding them. Even in cases in which intuition is not the most important function, it will often provide a solution in circumstances in which none of the other functions can find a way out. Jung writes: “If intuition be the leading function, all ordinary conditions of life seem to be enclosures to which intuition must find a key. It is forever seeking new paths and new possibilities for outward life. For an intuitive person all circumstances soon become a prison, an oppression, and they long for liberation. Things in the outside world seem temporarily to have an exaggerated value, namely, when they can be of use for a solution, or a liberation, or for the discovery of a new possibility. They have, however, scarcely served as steps, or a bridge, when they seem no longer of any value and are cast off as unnecessary ballast. A fact is only valued so long as it opens up new and more important prospects, which in their turn will liberate the individual. Sudden possibilities become compelling motives which the intuitive mind cannot disregard, and for which it may sacrifice everything else.”

 

[Black Rose]

Something I shared with The Gopher.

Spoiler

Both of the top two functions are extroverted with me, could both be introverted with someone else. Not ei or ie but ee or ii. This is what jung thought I've been told? So when I experience Te and Ne their opposites are Fi with Si and inferior grip is bogus. Its the opposite that we are dealing with not inferior or tertiary. This changes how function operate.

"Why is Fi opposite to Te and why is Si opposite to Ne."

Te and Fe or Ti and Fi can flow between weak introversion and weak extroversion so not reduce to the same usage if you were to do the reverse Te and Fi or Ti and Fe. That is tention happens with a reverse for i and e on the same rational or irrational.

 

[Black Rose]

Pair Oscillations

N - Causal
S - Incidental
T - Logic
F - Ethic


Ni-Se

multiple contexts deriving from a single instance

Si-Ne

multiple instances in universal context

Ti-Fe

internal consistency of normative behaviors

Fi-Te

personal virtues specifying the external order

 

[JansenDowel]

Wow Animekitty, nice work. Have you written a blog yet? I would be keen to read it.

 

[Black Rose]

http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/flm/SH/MDL/GAL/galdischapts/galdis.intro#TOC

Introverted = Conscious
Extroverted = Unconscious

S - phenomenal
all feelings / experiences in the body including the five senses

F - discernment
finding out if something is good or bad

T - order
determining what patterns come from natural alignment in sequence

N - realization
full understanding beyond the impression of the senses leading to knowledge