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anyone? i'd think meshuggah could fit metalheads with schizoid-ish tendencies. the T is kept entertained playing simon with the rhythmic patterns and appreciating the dark/existential lyrics, while the underdeveloped F is entertained by the overt brutality of the drop F guitar and jens's yells. fucking awesome, in my opinion. (plus their unique circular grooves under a lucid blanket of 4/4 just generally aren't found anywhere else, or done well if so)

YouTube - Meshuggah - Dancers To A Discordant System
 

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Yeah I have always loved Meshuggah. I remember listening to them before they were well known. They got put on Ozzfest and that is when they became a bigger band in the USA.

INTP's can definitely listen to any genre of music and find something to enjoy, but I think what we love about complex music is we can listen to it over and over and find new nuances we didn't hear before. That's one reason we like those 10 minute songs. Meshuggah definitely provides this.

I think part of the reason INTx's love metal is the growled vocals. Our weakest point is our Fe so when we hear a growled vocal with no pitch/feeling(it does have aggression at times) it puts us at ease. When I hear Boys II Men or something I immediately feel uneasy. I love power metal vocals because they aren't too serious and the focus is on hitting the note rather than the feeling usually.

As far as metal bands go that get into the complex side of things most are actually INTJ in my opinion. I will list bands that I think are INTP. In my opinion INTP metal usually is very unique and they definitely make it a point to be independent/original. INTJ bands usually focus on technique NONSTOP. Necrophagist in my opinion is the best INTJ example. INTP value technique, but prefer to be eccentric. The weird ass kick patterns of Meshuggah definitely come off to me as INTP. Pat O'brien of Cannibal Corpse comes off as an INTJ guitar player to me. Listen to his solos, especially his newest ones.

INTP : Death, Cynic, Meshuggah (especially pre-Chaosphere), Obscura, Gorguts

I know this thread isn't INTJ vs INTP, but I'd like to hear your opinion. INTJ's usually are better musicians when it comes down to it, but INTPs usually come up with some weird interesting shit. By better musician I mean more developed technique.


Oh and I see a guitar in the background. I was thinking of getting a 7 string, but can't decide. I am digging the Schecter Jeff Loomis signature. I'd pick one up if I could find one used. Do you know much about the 7 strings?
 

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Catch 33 is one of my favourite albums of all time




OF ALL TIME!
 

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Yeah I have always loved Meshuggah. I remember listening to them before they were well known. They got put on Ozzfest and that is when they became a bigger band in the USA.

INTP's can definitely listen to any genre of music and find something to enjoy, but I think what we love about complex music is we can listen to it over and over and find new nuances we didn't hear before. That's one reason we like those 10 minute songs. Meshuggah definitely provides this.

I think part of the reason INTx's love metal is the growled vocals. Our weakest point is our Fe so when we hear a growled vocal with no pitch/feeling(it does have aggression at times) it puts us at ease. When I hear Boys II Men or something I immediately feel uneasy. I love power metal vocals because they aren't too serious and the focus is on hitting the note rather than the feeling usually.

As far as metal bands go that get into the complex side of things most are actually INTJ in my opinion. I will list bands that I think are INTP. In my opinion INTP metal usually is very unique and they definitely make it a point to be independent/original. INTJ bands usually focus on technique NONSTOP. Necrophagist in my opinion is the best INTJ example. INTP value technique, but prefer to be eccentric. The weird ass kick patterns of Meshuggah definitely come off to me as INTP. Pat O'brien of Cannibal Corpse comes off as an INTJ guitar player to me. Listen to his solos, especially his newest ones.

INTP : Death, Cynic, Meshuggah (especially pre-Chaosphere), Obscura, Gorguts

I know this thread isn't INTJ vs INTP, but I'd like to hear your opinion. INTJ's usually are better musicians when it comes down to it, but INTPs usually come up with some weird interesting shit. By better musician I mean more developed technique.


Oh and I see a guitar in the background. I was thinking of getting a 7 string, but can't decide. I am digging the Schecter Jeff Loomis signature. I'd pick one up if I could find one used. Do you know much about the 7 strings?

don't know too much about the 7's, i always wanted one and love ibanez, so i just bought a used 200 dollar one to play around with- from a guy who looked like a regular-bodied dino cazares, actually. this RG model definitely isn't anything to complain about, for a casual playing-around guitar. if you can get used to the thicker neck and muscle memory of having another string, it's great for the wider tonal range...my 6 string has been in CGCFBE for 2 years. i like drop A on the 7 string, you can play most bands' music with it and the upper 6 strings are in standard so nothing else to adapt to.
you probably won't go wrong if you end up with something similar to nevermore's timbre though.

definitely relate to the weird interesting shit, and the new nuances after multiple listens. do you have eccentric things you do with your guitar too? tom morello could have a similar MBTI as well. and the guitarist/drum programmer of anaal nathrakh, mick kenney...dude combined black metal with grindcore in an innovative and really effective way, also has an interesting cinematic-sounding side project. and definitely comes off as introverted.

yeah, all those bands with guitarists more about technique than novelty can definitely showcase impressive musicianship, (and write some sick music too), but i was always drawn the most to i guess the more INTP approaches like death, meshuggah, strapping young lad, etc. malmsteen can suck my balls lol.

staying on this topic...i wonder about grindcore bands like pig destroyer, and the wide range of black metal out there. some of the vocalists might be extroverts, though when you get into that really atmospheric emotional black metal it might start getting more IxFx, i guess.
what about a guy like this: http://www.myspace.com/theprocessus
 

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oh... and i'm thinking ISTP guitarists would probably have great technique as well. might be more traditional than INTJs though?
 

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Yeah I have a couple eccentric tricks to my playing. The one that defines my leads the most is my use of foreign scales. Instead of using a normal scle I base all of my scales off of the Harmonic Minor instead of the regular Minor version. That gives me solos a big more of an "arabic" quality. It depends on the key though. I have a weird ass way of understanding the fretboard that I can't explain well.

I also sometimes just use the diminished scale and if I hit a note that sounds off sometimes I just bend it until its right. Hendrix did that though. The note bend thing.

I want to hate Yngwie Malmsteen, but he really is a fricken good guitar player. His technique is second to none for what he does. He has the most fluid playing I have ever heard. He's one of the better classically influenced guitar players I have ever seen. Especially on electric.

I didn't appreciate classical music fully until I watched this :
YouTube - Beethoven 5th Symphony (No. 5, graphical score animation, allegro)

Seeing the visual part of what was going on made me realize how complex classical is. The dude who put that video up has several others too.
 

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INTJ's usually are better musicians when it comes down to it

They actually practice, amirite?

Metal is, when it comes down to it, an INTJ genre. INTP have a hold over the tech stuff, but they lack in thumos, and when it comes down to it the power of metal is what makes the genre so great.

On the other hand, now that metal has stagnated, it might be time for INTPs to get together, learn to imitate this sense of power and occassional transcendence, and bring in new ideas to give life back to the genre.


Uh, Meshuggah... they're alright. Cool mechanistic atmosphere.
 

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Oh and I'd like to say that I would like to be more eccentric and show off my INTPness in my music, but I can never find other dudes the same. Meaning the drummer can never do crazy feet work, the bass players always are just like rock guys who hold the fort and the singers are never insane. I've had drummers capable of blasting fast as hell and doing 16th double kicks at high ass tempos accurately, but sucked at weird patterns. The bass players are always "Megadethed" out. They just hold the fort.

If I were in a band with more like minded musicians it'd be better. Sometimes I hear other guys in the band make song ideas/suggestions and I want to calmly put my guitar down and reach into my pocket and pull out a fucking 9mm and blow my brains out. Especially the SF people.

I just shrug it off though. I figure the more I am around different people the better I am as a mature INTP who can get along in all situations.
 

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I like the band for

- having a Hebrew name that means "mad",
- using elements of math metal/math rock,
- having okay tunes.

Oh, this music is a positive fit for any highly self absorbed (N)T... Agreed.
 

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This INTP hates metal.

But the thread caught my eye, as Meshugah is the Hebrew word for Crazy.

L

I don't hate metal but I don't really like it anymore either. Music taste isn't bonded to MBTI types probably. I used to love metal from 11-13 I think, then I just started regarding it as childish and stupid, now I can appreciate metal at times, but for the most part I find it tiring. I still listen to doom metal sometimes, but only 2 or 3 songs because after that I get bored of it.
YouTube - Electric Wizard - Funeralopolis

My taste in music has changed over the years...
 

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FUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNERRRRRRRRRRRRALLLLLOPOLISSSSSS
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Electric Wizard ftw.
 

GYX_Kid

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Oh and I'd like to say that I would like to be more eccentric and show off my INTPness in my music, but I can never find other dudes the same. Meaning the drummer can never do crazy feet work, the bass players always are just like rock guys who hold the fort and the singers are never insane. I've had drummers capable of blasting fast as hell and doing 16th double kicks at high ass tempos accurately, but sucked at weird patterns. The bass players are always "Megadethed" out. They just hold the fort.

If I were in a band with more like minded musicians it'd be better. Sometimes I hear other guys in the band make song ideas/suggestions and I want to calmly put my guitar down and reach into my pocket and pull out a fucking 9mm and blow my brains out. Especially the SF people.

I just shrug it off though. I figure the more I am around different people the better I am as a mature INTP who can get along in all situations.

ever done online collaboration experiments?
 

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It took me awhile to grow to appreciate meshuggah, there are aspects of them I still don't like but for the most part they put me in a good mood.
 

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Dreamweaver, I'm late... But it's the Hebrew word for crazy, not mad. Mad is from the root תרף (or טרף, I'm always confusing the tet and tav...), so מט/תורף would be the adjective. At least, that's how they're used in modern Hebrew, I've no idea about their biblical usages.
 

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IMO chaosphere is the only 'eh' album, though it does have a couple really cool tracks. their others just all seem to have more variety in elements to the music. i don't really know pre-destroy erase improve material so well.


Destroy Erase Improve- like if someone did a bit of inception 3D physics shit to metallica-ish riffs, and added in jazz fusion and 'labyrinthian' dreamlike atmospheres. the opener 'future breed machine' is probably their most classic tune, and for good reason. everything here is still forming and not as extreme as later stuff, but for what it is it's considered a real breakthrough. 'sublevels' is also awesome.

Chaosphere- they focused on complexifying the rhythms and polymeters, and speed. good development in that area, but it seems like that's all the album really is for the most part. definitely a frantic mechanic feel. highlights are "new millenium cyanide christ" and "the mouth licking what you've bled".

Nothing- now they go down to drop F and get groovier and darker. brought back the melodic jazz lead guitar like on destroy erase improve, as well. they'll stick with this low tuning and robotically binary human rage vocal style from now on. the second track 'rational gaze' should be our intuition's theme song, and it kind of reminded me of a heavier and more interesting "bulls on parade" by rage against the machine. 'closed eye visuals' has really grown on me as an all-time favorite song of theirs.

I- a medley of substance, really more of an EP than a full album- still a pretty cool listen. i had to split it up into 8 distinct tracks (because i'm that organized about filing music in my head). contains the frantic speed and dissonant finger tapping from chaosphere, along with the massive grooves of nothing. it also introduces a couple silent high-pitched melodic sections, thematic of the next release:

Catch 33- this is one 46-minute progressive 'piece'. took multiple listens to grow on me, probably want to check it out after getting more accustomed to the band's style. begins with one looping oddly-metered riff, and goes through subtle changes until it finally ends up in a different location. first half of the album is more about rhythmic 'illusions' and is more theoretically interesting than purely sonically blissful. after the silence-filled mind's mirrors, each track has more of a theme of its own; until it all culminates with 'sum' and ends in a great cataclysmic buildup-riff into a silent calm, with a really nice outro melody. i've used this section to fall asleep.

obZen- stylistically, somewhat like a combination of all their previous albums. probably the best as a beginner album, though it depends what styles of music you were most accustomed to. there isn't really any track that could be filler, and a few standouts are: bleed (known for its impossible drumming, good mix of speed, technicality, brutality and melody), obzen (somewhat like prog/math fear factory), combustion (more straightforward thrash but in their style) and dancers to a discordant system (somewhat of an epic song, picks up immensely halfway through with the chorus of odd-metered looping melodies harmonizing... then goes into an insanely crafted bridge rhythm, though the 4/4 triplet feel is so headbangable)



now why did i just do that?
 

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Love me some meshuggah. Actually my favorite band.
 
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