Magic pill found to cure INTPness

[Jelly Rev]

So Ive been working out for a couple months, my friend I workout with suggest I get this pre workout supplement called Dark Rage,
I cannot believe it myself but my view of the world was different, My senses came alive, My concentration on mundane task skyrocketed exponentially, energy of course through the roof.

Its as if someone raised my arousal level and switched my functions around, The daydreaming goes away, I impose my reality onto others. Observer mode goes away and is replaced with doer mode

I wonder if this is what an extraverted sensor/thinker feels like all the time, The stuff inside this pre sup creates vasodillation and increases avaliable blood volume. So more blood is pumping throughout the body. Could this be causing a vasodialtion in my brain increases blood flow to areas that other types have more blood flow to

So I am wondering has anyone else had experiences with any substances that have altered your reality?...other than the standard weed story

Also I am wondering about the safety of such a product that makes me feel so alive, so doubtless. Its quite empowering.

Lastly go experiment with it....

 

[A22]

Start taking sugar pills to see if it isn't you who's really changing yourself.
Oh wait...

 

[Masterlord]

Steroids ftw? Steroids ftw!

 

[Anthile]

DARK RAGE

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WTF am I reading?

 

[dark]

I ROFL when I read the OP.

Sounds like it switched you into your shadow functions and became an ESFP.

I would advise, not taking this anymore. Unless you want to be an ESFP, then go ahead...

When reading that product information I can see a horrible image of some 40 year old guy tanned and greased wearing a speed-o with his muscles bulging from every part of his body while doing his best impression of R. Lee Ermey and shaking the can up and down and about to have a cardiac arrest, spit flying everywhere because you haven't picked up the phone and dialed the number. Better call 911 because it looks like he is about to croak over anytime now.

 

[Anthile]

I ROFL when I read the OP.

Sounds like it switched you into your shadow functions and became an ESFP.

I would advise, not taking this anymore. Unless you want to be an ESFP, then go ahead...

When reading that product information I can see a horrible image of some 40 year old guy tanned and greased wearing a speed-o with his muscles bulging from every part of his body while doing his best impression of R. Lee Ermey and shaking the can up and down and about to have a cardiac arrest, spit flying everywhere because you haven't picked up the phone and dialed the number. Better call 911 because it looks like he is about to croak over anytime now.

That's besides the whole common sense thing to not put anything in your body called freaking Dark Rage. The only foodstuff that is allowed to have dangerous-sounding names are cocktails and spicy vegetables. Anything else is, well, tempting fate.

 

[dark]

Also, I never agreed to make a product about my rage.

I should sue.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Magic pill found to cure INTPness

You mean ecstasy?

 

[Melllvar]

So I am wondering has anyone else had experiences with any substances that have altered your reality?...other than the standard weed story

I've taken two dietary supplements (melatonin and somethingelseIcan'tremember) that made me have really weird, intense, vivid dreams when I first started taking it. That was pretty cool. Other than no, but I've never screwed around with any stuff like that (seems like a rip off, stick to stuff like vitamins and protein).

Also I am wondering about the safety of such a product that makes me feel so alive, so doubtless. Its quite empowering.

I was wondering so I looked up the list of ingredients. Says the primary one is nitric oxide, which is what's giving you that pumped up feeling. Some guy I used to know did some stuff that was similar to this (probably pretty much the same), said it'd make him super-energetic if he took it before he worked out. I imagine the rest beyond that is probably coming from combination your getting more exercise and placebo effect, or it just takes a while to wear off, but who the hell knows. Not like supplements don't have side effects.

Lastly go experiment with it....

No thanks, I like my INTPness. Also this stuff is inevitably a waste of money, most people aren't working out hard enough to need it and would see more advantage in just eating healthier and getting more sleep. I remember knowing guys that would spend hundreds of dollars every month or so on this kind of stuff and then eat at Burger King for lunch every day. Wth.

 

[Jelly Rev]

I like my INTPness too, but when I want to go out and have a good time I may use a little bit like I did last nite, like a tablespoon(use a cup for lifting). At the club last nite instead of hanging back and doing some observing I was just simply wreckin livin life, even went home with a girl lol.
LOL sounds like ESFP behavior

I've taken two dietary supplements (melatonin and somethingelseIcan'tremember)

sleep aids correct? maybe u took some valerian root, also a sleep aid.

You mean ecstasy?

lol

Start taking sugar pills to see if it isn't you who's really changing yourself.
Oh wait...

Perhaps, also Ive got in touch with my anima, figured out I was projectin it onto someone, but that is another topic having to do with Jungian Psych and the self

 

[A22]

That's besides the whole common sense thing to not put anything in your body called freaking Dark Rage. The only foodstuff that is allowed to have dangerous-sounding names are cocktails and spicy vegetables. Anything else is, well, tempting fate.

LOL

 

[Melllvar]

I like my INTPness too, but when I want to go out and have a good time I may use a little bit like I did last nite, like a tablespoon(use a cup for lifting). At the club last nite instead of hanging back and doing some observing I was just simply wreckin livin life, even went home with a girl lol.
LOL sounds like ESFP behavior

Workout supplements as party drugs? Huh...

Congrats on the nookie though.

sleep aids correct? maybe u took some valerian root, also a sleep aid.

The melatonin is for sleep, and I did try valerian root tea but it was just relaxing and made me have to pee a lot, never did much for my sleep. Love the taste though. The other one was just some vitamin/mineral/amino acid thing that was exercise oriented. Also tried other random stuff not worth mentioning like protein powders and creatine. Fuck all the weird stuff like this, it's a waste of money and who even knows if it's safe or you can trust it. Supplements aren't FDA-regulated like drugs are, the companies that produce/sell them are basically on the honor system.

That aside though, the guy I knew who took it was a big fan. Said he had a lot more energy and said it made him more excited about working out, could do it for harder/longer/etc. IMO You should probably look into the side effects of nitric oxide use (no clue personally).

 

[crippli]

I don't really like being the one in the experiment. I think I would prefer to hand out the pills and observe what they do. Make sure to update this thread in about a year.

I think it's also a good idea to synchronise this with a medical check up now and then. To make sure things are running smoothly.

That said. I think hormone therapy is the way to go. It's too bad there is not a better understanding of the hormone triggering system in the body, so these mechanisms could be adjusted instead. That would have been much more to my liking.

 

[Jelly Rev]

I don't really like being the one in the experiment. I think I would prefer to hand out the pills and observe what they do. Make sure to update this thread in about a year.

O cmon those are the best kind of experiments, I once started a smoking habit to see how addictive it was lol. The truth is more important than my health

Also tried other random stuff not worth mentioning like protein powders and creatine.

I take that stuff too lol.

Workout supplements as party drugs? Huh...

Who wooda thought, just gotta really make sure enuff water is drank b4 boozin.

 

[Glordag]

If I need to be more outgoing while I'm out having fun, I just drink alcohol. At a certain level of intoxication, I'm the life of the party and everyone loves me. Pretty stark contrast from my normal existence, actually...too bad I seldom remember it well enough to know what happened :\ . I don't really see the point these days, though. I've lost most of my desire to be something other than "INTP." As Mellvar said, I like my INTPness.

 

[lucky12]

You mean ecstasy?

I came in here expecting this..

 

[Cognisant]

Anabolic hormones, so this is steroids we're talking about.

Well other than a reduced life expectancy and the possibility of your genitals shrinking there's nothing to worry about... what else could you possibly be worried about?

 

[SkyWalker]

dude there is no steroids involved, this is a stimulant.

dark rage is probably just overloaded with caffeine & (pseudo-)ephedrine (disguised as herbs)

if you like this: try swallowing a ritalin pill or snorting half a gram of cocaine.

that also wont make you an ESFP such as somebody suggested, ESFPs are perceivers, stimulants stimulate your judgement function(s), they make you judgemental and quick.

I am ENTP (NeTi), I think stimulants make me more Te-like, thus ENTJ-like (TeNi) (although that is totally different functions than NeTi, i seem to act as such).

 

[Jelly Rev]

To update I've been on this stuff for about a week now. The effects have not been as pronounced as before.
One day tho I had a smoke after lifting and tried to stomach some beers. O man was I racing, I couldnt sit down...had to pace while watching T.V.
I would not recomend taking this with nicotine lol.

if you like this: try swallowing a ritalin pill or snorting half a gram of cocaine.

hmm I will try, the ritalin part. Ive snorted adderal didnt do shit b4 but I was drunk.

that also wont make you an ESFP such as somebody suggested, ESFPs are perceivers, stimulants stimulate your judgement function(s), they make you judgemental and quick.

Now that I think about it I agree. It made me less outward, dimish Ne and raised my Si or perhaps Ni. I became grounded I think would be the correct term. With Ne, I am always lookin for somethin, some pattern of interest. That goes away instead a feeling of rock hard ground was in its place.
When something annoyed me I'd do somethin about it like hey u stfu ur dumb.
To sum it up what it really did was dimish doubt

 

[Melllvar]

Anabolic hormones, so this is steroids we're talking about.

Well other than a reduced life expectancy and the possibility of your genitals shrinking there's nothing to worry about... what else could you possibly be worried about?

LOL. Not that I'm a fan of this kind of stuff, but it seems to primarily be nitric oxide to cause vasodilation. Nothing anabolic about it, it's just an energy boost (plus other random junk - vitamins and such). It's quite a big difference from steroids or growth hormones. The main side effects seem to be nausea, dizziness, and minor headaches, according to the interwebz. Unless it's providing an artificial source of testosterone then I don't think the steroidish side-effects are something to worry about.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Nitric oxide also is a free radical, so I would stock up on anti-oxidants if I were to use it.

 

[Jelly Rev]

hmm didnt think about that.
Ive been taking the rage, protein, cinamonn capsules, and milk thistle(liver protectant).

 

[Pride]

Ecstasy at a good party is always the cure. ALWAYS.

 

[gilliatt]

What might be fun, let's try a hypothetical.
Okay, briefly my views are free markets, private-property, limited government, laissez-faire etc.
Suppose I had a magic ring, I put it on your finger to make you an exact copy of my views. Now you totally agree in every way. Would I put it on your finger?? Most emphatically, I would not!! To do so would put an end to all growth in others, and in me. To reform you in this way would be cheating you out of your natural growth and downright harmful to you. And I could change all the masses to the freedom philosophy, but bear in mind this is not a numbers problem. If it were to bring a majority to the freedom philosophy, my cause for freedom would be utterly hopeless.

I would not put this magic ring(pill) on an INTP. I like them the way they are, they are unique, they will grow at their own nature. We are thinkers, we have to identify, you know, what is it, how is it made, what purpose does it have in the universe. Let's say a wood table. Made of wood, wood consists of cells, cells consist of molecules, molecules consist of atoms. An atom is itself, and so is the universe. Neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. It is logic, non-contradictory identification. Existence exists. We INTPs have to be who we are by our nature.

I stand up for the INTP, the INTP is a being of volitional consciousness, a rational animal that survives by reason. "An INTP has to be an INTP".

"The White Cat"

 

[yogurtexpress]

You know, we're all capable of acting like different people without drugs and supplements. True, they make it easier, but I don't think it's worth it when you consider the long-term effects of dependency and abuse.

 

[Jelly Rev]

I don't think it's worth it when you consider the long-term effects of dependency and abuse.

simply an opinion.

I believe in trying to continually better myself and to test out new hypotheses. Why not make myself a guinea pig for the truth???

What might be fun, let's try a hypothetical.
Okay, briefly my views are free markets, private-property, limited government, laissez-faire etc.
Suppose I had a magic ring, I put it on your finger to make you an exact copy of my views. Now you totally agree in every way. Would I put it on your finger?? Most emphatically, I would not!! To do so would put an end to all growth in others, and in me. To reform you in this way would be cheating you out of your natural growth and downright harmful to you. And I could change all the masses to the freedom philosophy, but bear in mind this is not a numbers problem. If it were to bring a majority to the freedom philosophy, my cause for freedom would be utterly hopeless.

I would not put this magic ring(pill) on an INTP. I like them the way they are, they are unique, they will grow at their own nature. We are thinkers, we have to identify, you know, what is it, how is it made, what purpose does it have in the universe. Let's say a wood table. Made of wood, wood consists of cells, cells consist of molecules, molecules consist of atoms. An atom is itself, and so is the universe. Neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. It is logic, non-contradictory identification. Existence exists. We INTPs have to be who we are by our nature.

I stand up for the INTP, the INTP is a being of volitional consciousness, a rational animal that survives by reason. "An INTP has to be an INTP".

"The White Cat"

lol wut??
If I had a magic ring??? Im using vitamins and supplements.
So If I created a magic pill that got rid of anxiety you wouldnt take it???
If I created a magic pill that treated schizophrenia should I tell schizophrenics not to take it???? for the sake of their individuality.

I am not trying to create a different person, I am trying to create the best person I can be.

 

[yogurtexpress]

simply an opinion.

I believe in trying to continually better myself and to test out new hypotheses. Why not make myself a guinea pig for the truth???

If you want 'the truth,' become a chemist. The only truth you'll find in your little experiments will be a highly subjective and probably inaccurate version of what you might regard as the truth. Good enough for a livejournal entry, maybe, but it'll have little bearing on the world at large.

 

[Architect]

Would you cure a tenor of his voice? I'll keep my INTPness, thank you.

 

[Jelly Rev]

If you want 'the truth,' become a chemist. The only truth you'll find in your little experiments will be a highly subjective and probably inaccurate version of what you might regard as the truth

empirical studies nah. btw u think each brain will act the same to different vitamins and supps????

the brain is subjective. more complex than the big bang theory. U cannot get absoultes with psychology only statistically significant.

Would you cure a tenor of his voice? I'll keep my INTPness, thank you.

I'm to open minded to be afraid of losing my INTPness thank you. The truth goes beyond who I am. I can take something and then evaluate it. Will it change my opinion maybe...look at process called neuroplasicity. A person is only a person for a moment then their brain strucuture changes. Do not argue to me about details of how a supplement may affect me. Every instance affects you. Who is to say one substance will change someone for better.
This argument will be lost in the concept of relative subjectiveness. It started with being open and ended with subjective opinions. The INTPs cannot even be INTPs for they are stuck in the concept of an INTP

 

[Essence]

Everything has its negative effects, and if you know them before you take anything, then at least you know what to expect. However, before you take some stimulant/mood enhancer/whatever, and you hear the negative effects, you'll probably say that its worth it. But when those bad effects actually get there, you'll feel like shit and wish you'd never taken them in the first place. Basically, if someone tells you that you're about to jump off of a cliff, don't say you don't care because the fall will feel great.

 

[grey matters]

quote: "...other than the standard weed story."


Lol.

Talking about something a bit more legal, My son (who was 8 at the time as I recall) and I both did an experiment with an allergy med called "Claritin". Over a period of 3 days it altered our personalities. My son became very agitated, whiney and had difficulty sleeping. I felt I was on a rushing roller coaster all the time. My heart felt like it was beating faster, my mind would race through thoughts but never seem to complete them totally and I couldn't sleep. Though all these symptoms didn't appear on the med label I naturally concluded that both of us ought to get off the meds before we decide that ramming our heads through a window was a good idea. After the meds wore off everything was fine.

After talking with other people who have taken a variety of allergy meds (notably Clairitin, Allegra, and Zyrtec) I came to the conclusion that the same allergy meds effect different people in different ways. Notably those when can't take Claritin do well on Zyrtec and vise versa.) When I would hear someone complain about how their allergy meds affected them I suggested the alternative. When I would speak to them later the switch worked.

I don't know how the allergy med thing hooks in with personality theory.

 

[Smooch]

I cannot believe it myself but my view of the world was different, My senses came alive, My concentration on mundane task skyrocketed exponentially, energy of course through the roof.

Its as if someone raised my arousal level and switched my functions around, The daydreaming goes away, I impose my reality onto others. Observer mode goes away and is replaced with doer mode

...

So I am wondering has anyone else had experiences with any substances that have altered your reality?...other than the standard weed story

I know I know, no weed stories....but Wow though. You just described exactly how I felt when I took adderall and smoked weed.... Holy crap.

Just, the vividness, the senses coming alive....feeling completely different than how I normally feel....just being in the present moment. That feeling man.

edit: This makes me sound like a druggie :/ I don't do drugs all the time, this was a one time thing. It was fun.